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Marine: 'I'm Not Going Back To Iraq' -so- Suicide By Cop

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xexex

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http://infowars.com/articles/iraq/marine_commits_suicide_by_cop.htm

Marine determined to die rather than return to Iraq Commits Suicide by Cop

Modesto Bee | January 11, 2005
By PATRICK GIBLIN

CERES — It started as a seemingly simple and somewhat routine call Sunday night: a man was acting strangely at a liquor store.

Moments later, a burst of gunfire echoed through the normally quiet neighborhood. One Ceres police officer lay dying, another was critically wounded, and law enforcement was storming the scene by land and air.

Helicopters hovered above as police ordered people to go inside, lock their doors and turn off the lights.

Three hours later, another gun battle erupted, this one ending in the death of a 19-year-old Marine from Modesto,suspected of shooting the two officers.


A screen-grab from a surveillance video provided by the Stanislaus County Sheriff's Department shows the armed suspect during the shooting of two Ceres police officers Sunday night.

Altogether, police and neighbors said Monday, dozens of bullets flew, shattering windows and piercing vehicles as residents hunkered down in terror.

"Brap-brap-brap-brap-brap," said Anthony John Phillips, a 15-year-old boy who lives a block away, trying to describe the rapid gunfire. "I was scared. It was crazy."

In the end:

Ceres police Sgt. Howard Stevenson, 39, was dead.

Andres Raya, who police say seemed determined to die rather than return to Iraq, was dead.

Ceres police officer Sam Ryno, 50, was hospitalized with multiple gunshot wounds. He was in critical condition Monday, and is expected to recover.

Monday, detectives from sev-eral law enforcement agencies — from the Ceres police to the FBI — sifted through events leading to Sunday's carnage.

Officers were still struggling to figure out what drove Raya to fire on officers.

"It was premeditated, planned, an ambush," Ceres Police Chief Art de Werk said. "It was a suicide by cop."

De Werk said investigators are not ruling out other motives or accomplices, but believe that Raya, a Marine who had served seven months in Iraq, was concerned about the possibility of going back into combat.

Raya returned to the United States in September and recently visited his family in Modesto.

Julia Cortez Raya said Monday that her son served in Fallujah: "He came back different."

Andres Raya

Sgt. Howard Stevenson
Police say Andres Raya gunned him down outside a Ceres liquor store.

Raya told family members he did not want to return to Iraq. But his father said the family believed by the end of his holiday visit, Raya had decided to make the best of the 2½ years he had left in the Marines.

He rejoined his unit at Camp Pendleton on Jan. 2. Sheriff's Lt. Bill Heyne said Raya was last seen at Camp Pendleton Saturday.

He reportedly told fellow soldiers he was going to get a quick bite to eat. Instead, he showed up in Ceres 24 hours later, armed with an SKS assault rifle. The rifle is a Chinese version of the weapon that Raya was trained to use in the Marines, Heyne said.

Video cameras catch carnage

The first moments of the three-hour drama were caught by video cameras at George's Liquors, 2125 Caswell Ave., near Central Avenue.

The tape shows Raya firing one round into the pavement of the store's parking lot. He then walks into the store.

According to police, Raya told the clerk that he had just been shot at and asked the clerk to call 911, Heyne said.

Steven Marchant, working at the store Sunday night, said he was standing in front of the store when he saw Raya walking toward him from across the street about 8 p.m. Raya was wearing a poncho and yelling "how much he hated the world," Marchant said.

Marchant recognized Raya as a friend of the owner's brother and a regular customer.

Marchant went into the store when Raya stopped at the front door and asked him to call police.

Another employee tried to calm Raya down. Then the employee realized Raya had a gun under the poncho. After Raya walked out, the employees locked the door and called police.

Raya waited outside, a surveillance videotape shows.

About 8:07 p.m., about two minutes after the call, Ryno and a police trainee pulled up into the parking lot of Jiro Tires Plus, a neighboring business that faces Central Avenue. The trainee's name was not released.

As the two officers peered around the corner of a building to locate Raya, a third officer pulled into the same parking lot. Raya opened fire on all three, hitting Ryno — who had stepped out from behind the building — several times in the leg and once in the lower back.

Raya then rushed the trainee, firing several times but missing. The trainee and the third officer, whose name was not released, shot back.

Raya ducked around the corner of George's. After a few seconds, he saw Stevenson pull up in front of the liquor store. Raya opened fire again, shooting through the window of a white car in the parking lot and hitting Stevenson.

He then ran out of view of the camera.

Stevenson, lying injured on the ground, was shot twice in the back of the head, Heyne said.

Witnesses: Raya appeared calm

"I was walking in my back yard to use my spa when I heard a horrible grinding noise," said Norm Travis, whose home is on Glenwood Drive, around the corner from George's.

"Then an alarm went off and there was a bunch of yelling and screaming and then another round of shots," he said.

"We knew that it was an automatic weapon," said his wife, Karen Travis.

Witnesses told police that after shooting the officers, Raya calmly walked east on Caswell and disappeared, either into a house or a back yard.

Within minutes, officers from the Ceres, Modesto, Turlock and Newman police departments, as well as the Stanislaus and Merced sheriff's offices and the California Highway Patrol, responded.

Nearly one square mile of the city's streets were closed as a CHP helicopter hovered and police officers and SWAT teams took positions around the neighborhood.

Police officers began shooting out street lights to diminish Raya's vision, officers said.

Residents were told to lock their doors and turn off their lights, said Kim Rose, 25, who lives about one block from the liquor store. She had been in the store about 20 minutes before the shooting.

"We heard a lot of gunfire, and I mean a lot of gunfire," Rose said. "Then a few minutes later, police were walking up and down the street with guns drawn, yelling for everyone to go back in their houses."

George Newton, who lives two blocks from the store on Beachwood Drive, said his 42-year-old daughter was visiting him when the neighborhood was locked down. She wasn't allowed to leave the home.

"She slept on my couch last night," Newton said. "She was stuck here until 4:30 a.m."

Some neighbors evacuated

Across the street, the Garcia family was evacuated. Their home was believed to be directly behind the home in which Raya was hiding. Members of a SWAT team took over the Garcia's house, Kandy Garcia said, positioning themselves in her back yard and on her neighbor's bal-cony.

"They were nice and professional but very firm and matter-of-fact," Garcia said. "They said we had to leave now."

She grabbed her four children and stayed the night at her mother's house.

The CHP helicopter beamed its light into the yards of homes on the south side of Beachwood and north side of Caswell.

After about two hours, officers began a slow house-to-house search, according to a press release issued Monday.

"Our poor neighbors across the street were evacuated, so they locked their doors," Norm Travis said. "Then about an hour later, the SWAT team broke down their front door to search for the suspect."

About 11:08 p.m., Raya jumped over a backyard fence from a home on Caswell and ended up in an alley between Glenwood and Myrtlewood drives.

Police say he fired at four officers who were positioned at the Glenwood end of the alley, about 100 yards away. The officers fired back and struck him multiple times.

He dropped his rifle but started running toward them. He motioned as if he was going for a second weapon, officers said, so they continued to fire.

He fell to the ground and died at the scene.

His body was still in the alley Monday afternoon as investigators worked the scene.

Police said that an exact number of rounds fired by Raya and police had not been determined Monday evening, but it was probably more than 60.

Police also released the liquor store video tape. De Werk said he wanted the public to see the tape so they could understand not only what happened but "what's really going on in the world."

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A screen-grab from a surveillance video provided by the Stanislaus County Sheriff's Department shows the armed suspect during the shooting of two Ceres police officers Sunday night.
 

xexex

Banned
another account of this incredibly story


Los Angeles, Alta California, January 11, 2004 - (ACN) A US Marine
of Mexican descent home for the holidays from Fallujah, Iraq decided
to wage battle yesterday against his own hometown police department
of Ceres, California rather than return to Iraq to kill innocent
Iraqi civilians. Nineteen year old Andres Raya, a decorated for
bravery US Marine out of Camp Pendleton, decided to utilize his
superb marine training to take on the entire Ceres Police Department,
Sheriff's and the California Highway Patrol in a stunning gun battle
that was caught on video tape. In the end, one Ceres cop was killed,
another critically injured and US Marine Raya himself laid dead in
an alley with over 18 shots in his body.


Andres Raya was only two years out of Ceres High School and the
shootout has stunned not only his family but the entire usually
peaceful small town of Ceres which is just a few miles east of
San Jose and directly south of Modesto. The marine's mother, Julia
Cortez Raya said yesterday in Spanish that her son had served
in the assault on Fallujah. Mrs. Cortez Raya said, "He came back
different."

One can only speculate what horrors Andres Raya experienced in
Fallujah. The slaughter by US occupation forces of Iraqi civilians
in Fallujah has been compared to the slaughter in Guernica by Nazi
forces in 1937. Many US Marines with a conscious have found it
very difficult to reconciliate the Iraqi civilian murders in their
minds and have committed suicide. US Marine Andres Raya decided to
take some cops with him. Most probably he was harassed by them while
growing up Mexican in this small northern California town.

Andres Raya had return to the United States in September from Iraq
to spend the holidays with his family. Raya told his family and
friends that he was heaving awful nightmares and could not sleep.
He expressed feelings that he did not want to go back to murder in
Iraq. He, however, rejoined his unit at Camp Pendleton on January 2.
Something happened between January 2 and Sunday January 9, the last
day he was seen at Camp Pendleton. Yesterday, he showed up in Ceres
with an SKS assault rifle. He had the shootout all planned out. He
knew what he was going to do. He would stage a situation where the
cops will respond and he will ambush them with the military precision
he learned so well in the US Marine Corps. A security video camera
caught most of the action. We have provided a link to the video below
so the reader can see for themselves.

The battle raged for about 3 hours, from around 8:00 PM to 11.08
PM. It brought in hundreds of police units from the Ceres, Modesto,
Turlock and Newman police departments, as well as the Stanislaus
and Merced Sheriff's Departments and from the California Highway
Patrol. US Marine Andres Raya, the decorated fighter that he was,
had to be shot 18 times before he went down. Andres Raya kept
charging police positions set up in an alley, and even though
mortally wounded, kept on charging until he dropped dead a few
feet form a well entrenched police SWAT Team.

Yes, it appears that the US Marine of Mexican descent decided that
his real enemies were not innocent Iraqi civilians on the other side
of the world but that they were here in his own hometown, in Ceres,
a redneck town notorious for its mistreatment of his people. This
is what happened during the Vietnam War and is now happening in this
heinous, racist and demonic US War against Iraq.

Article nr. 8800 sent on 12-jan-2005 03:49 ECT


right or wrong, I almost admire this kid / Marine. he clearly saw no reasonable way out. maybe he'll will have sent a message to the higher ups that this war cannot go on this way.

MARINE: I'M NOT GOING BACK TO IRAQ.
SOCIETY: YOU HAVE TO
MARINE: OVER MY DEAD BODY!
 

Triumph

Banned
xexex said:
another account of this incredibly story




right or wrong, I almost admire this kid / Marine. he clearly saw no reasonable way out. maybe he'll will have sent a message to the higher ups that this war cannot go on this way.
Have you been paying attention? Not only is it going to go on, we're expanding! Operation Enduring Freedom has tour dates in Iran soon! Get tickets now!!!

Seriously, the way this young man snapped is horrible and I'm saddened for all involved. But I think this is just gonna be the tip of the iceberg as far as stuff like this goes.
 

B'z-chan

Banned
Not to far from where i live. The cops really dont know if either the man was just upset about not going back or if he had robbed a store near by. The next day two teen's shot at two other cops in the same town. Thing is that the gang/ group they are a part of was a group that this troubled individual was a part of before he went to war.

Its a very interesting twist of events.
 

Triumph

Banned
duderon said:
No way is this justifiable. This marine shouldn't be praised in any way.
You're right. He took out innocent people who had nothing to do with sending him over there.

Now if he had snapped in Rumsfeld's office...
 

Jak140

Member
Uh, how is it heroic to injure and kill cops who clearly had nothing to do with his situation? Maybe you've been playing a little to much GTA.
 

Hero

Member
How the fuck can you admire some shit scum like that?

Seriously, if he wanted to kill himself he could've done so without having to resort to killing police officers.
 

teepo

Member
i think people would be surprised at the number of suicides that took place during and after the vietnam war.
 

FightyF

Banned
Seriously, if he wanted to kill himself he could've done so without having to resort to killing police officers.

Or could have taken out people like Rumsfeld...who sent him to Iraq. Not that I condone it, but I'm just saying that if he's gonna kill people, you'd think he go after those who made his life miserable.
 

duderon

rollin' in the gutter
Raoul Duke said:
You're right. He took out innocent people who had nothing to do with sending him over there.

Now if he had snapped in Rumsfeld's office...

^ This kid's got potential. :p
 

Loki

Count of Concision
xexex said:
another account of this incredibly story




right or wrong, I almost admire this kid / Marine. he clearly saw no reasonable way out. maybe he'll will have sent a message to the higher ups that this war cannot go on this way.

MARINE: I'M NOT GOING BACK TO IRAQ.
SOCIETY: YOU HAVE TO
MARINE: OVER MY DEAD BODY!


Wtf? If he wanted to honor his convictions, there are better ways to go about it then by attempting to kill/injure other people who are trying to perform a noble job (law enforcement). Why couldn't he just have told the military to go to hell and served out his time in jail? No, much better to go shooting people who had nothing at all to do with his predicament. The man clearly had issues.
 
xexex said:
right or wrong, I almost admire this kid / Marine. he clearly saw no reasonable way out. maybe he'll will have sent a message to the higher ups that this war cannot go on this way.
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"Admire" him? He killed an innocent police officer. Suicide-by-cop means you're too much of a pussy to take yourself out, so you choose to put the burden on a police officer. He clearly wasn't right in the head. There's nothing to admire about him as far as I'm concerned.

edit: If the current chaos and deaths in Iraq haven't sent a message yet, this story surely won't.
 
xexex said:
another account of this incredibly story




right or wrong, I almost admire this kid / Marine. he clearly saw no reasonable way out. maybe he'll will have sent a message to the higher ups that this war cannot go on this way.

MARINE: I'M NOT GOING BACK TO IRAQ.
SOCIETY: YOU HAVE TO
MARINE: OVER MY DEAD BODY!

The problem is, the dude still capped two cops, who weren't exactly doing anything then trying to figure out what the hell was going on. He could have done other things to escape service, which I probably would have applauded, but killing two cops isn't admirable at all.
 

DarthWoo

I'm glad Grandpa porked a Chinese Muslim
It would have been much better if he had pulled his gun, and they had shot him, and then later found that his gun had been intentionally left empty, a la lots of movies that I can't quite remember right now. The reality is pretty depressing though.
 

Socreges

Banned
GXAlan said:
http://www.sacbee.com/state_wire/story/12054137p-12924324c.html

"During our investigation, we found he wasn't due to go back to Iraq, never faced combat situations and never even fired his gun," Stanislaus County Sheriff's Deputy Jason Woodman said Saturday."
So, the other articles are full of shit? More specifically, the family was lying?

A US Marine of Mexican descent home for the holidays from Fallujah, Iraq decided to wage battle yesterday against his own hometown police department of Ceres, California rather than return to Iraq to kill innocent Iraqi civilians.
Who wrote this shit?
 

ChrisReid

Member
xexex said:
right or wrong, I almost admire this kid / Marine. he clearly saw no reasonable way out. maybe he'll will have sent a message to the higher ups that this war cannot go on this way.

MARINE: I'M NOT GOING BACK TO IRAQ.
SOCIETY: YOU HAVE TO
MARINE: OVER MY DEAD BODY!

Ehh, no. The guy had mental problems, gang problems and so on. He never saw combat in Iraq. He lied to his family about participating in Fallujah. HIS UNIT WAS GOING TO JAPAN NEXT, NOT IRAQ. So yeah, don't try to give this cop-killer any credit whatsoever.
 

Do The Mario

Unconfirmed Member
ChrisReid said:
Ehh, no. The guy had mental problems, gang problems and so on. He never saw combat in Iraq. He lied to his family about participating in Fallujah. HIS UNIT WAS GOING TO JAPAN NEXT, NOT IRAQ. So yeah, don't try to give this cop-killer any credit whatsoever.


Does the average American Marine know where Japan is in relation in Iraq?

Some Australian comedians who have a show called CNNNN walked around the streets of Dallas, Texas (IIRC), asking people to find Iraq and Israel on there big map of the world.

The two Nations in question had being added to the middle of Australia, most people where pointing to the Australian Iraq and Israel.
 

Rorschach

Member
Do The Mario said:
Does the average American Marine know where Japan is in relation in Iraq?

Some Australian comedians who have a show called CNNNN walked around the streets of Dallas, Texas (IIRC), asking people to find Iraq and Israel on there big map of the world.

The two Nations in question had being added to the middle of Australia, most people where pointing to the Australian Iraq and Israel.
<insert the biggest megarolleyesbarf ever here>
 

robochimp

Member
Do The Mario said:
Does the average American Marine know where Japan is in relation in Iraq?

Some Australian comedians who have a show called CNNNN walked around the streets of Dallas, Texas (IIRC), asking people to find Iraq and Israel on there big map of the world.

The two Nations in question had being added to the middle of Australia, most people where pointing to the Australian Iraq and Israel.


Whenever you see a comedy segment like that, think how unfunny it would be if they showed people getting the right answer. They just show the clips of the 10 morons who cant answer the questions. We really aren't all that dumb
 

Rorschach

Member
robochimp said:
Whenever you see a comedy segment like that, think how unfunny it would be if they showed people getting the right answer. They just show the clips of the 10 morons who cant answer the questions. We really aren't all that dumb
Not to mention the fact that his service papers probably said "Japan" instead of having a map of the world and a red arrows saying "you are going here" and pointing to Japan.
 

Do The Mario

Unconfirmed Member
robochimp said:
We really aren't all that dumb

Haha

When the hell did I say you are all dumb?

Read my post!!!!

I said

“The Average American marine”

They don’t strike me as having a power house intellect.

I have tons of American friends who are @ uni with me on exchange, some are also hot none of them are dumb.

BTW

Don’t 61% of All Americans believe in the theory of creation?
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Another vote for repealing assault weapons ban I see. He wouldn't have gotten as far with a handgun. Chinese knockoff OTOH still work the shit. PEACE.
 

Do The Mario

Unconfirmed Member
Iceman said:
"Don’t 61% of All Americans believe in the theory of creation?"

Woah, what the hell is this??

I got it from a story on that Denver school having to tell there students about “divine beings” having to have created complex cells before teaching them about evolution.
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
'Suicide by cop'? Try, 'fucked up murderer kills self after slaying two'.

Who on earth came up with that article's title. Here's a more accurate one: Psychotic man kills two police officers.

If you want something to use against the war, there's far more convincing evidence then this, thankfully now dead, whackjob.
 

impirius

Member
xexex said:
right or wrong, I almost admire this kid / Marine. he clearly saw no reasonable way out. maybe he'll will have sent a message to the higher ups that this war cannot go on this way.

MARINE: I'M NOT GOING BACK TO IRAQ.
SOCIETY: YOU HAVE TO
MARINE: OVER MY DEAD BODY!
Please tell me you don't really believe this.
 

fnmore1

Member
Damn, i never thought Id see the day-my little hole in the wall town- Ceres
would make it on the Gaf forums
This happened about a mile or 2 from my house- when I first heard about it-
I felt kind of bad for the marine, but after hearing the real details-
this guy on coke-, gang ties-f him
 

Lil' Dice

Banned
The are other factors in war than can cause a man to go nutty, not just combat.
None of us have ever experienced being in a war-zone, yet some of you feel as if you can antagonize him while sitting comfortably in your homes.

I'm not condoning what he did, but as a person who has a younger brother in Iraq, i can testify that it changes a man forever. My brother has said, and done shit i never thought would come out of him.
 

ge-man

Member
I have no sympathy for the guy. This reminds of the rash of suicide attempts we had over the last year around Atlanta that held up the already horrible traffic in this town.

If you want to kill yourself, there are quicker ways. If you're looking for attention, there are most constructive ways than sharing your misery with folks that don't know you.

I don't want to sound like a dick, but there's just no excuse for this kind of behaviour. It's selfish, not praise worthy.
 

Lil' Dice

Banned
Justin Bailey said:
I can't believe someone fucking said this.
I can, why can't you. People have different rationale, different ways of dealing with anger/depression/despair. That's what makes each individual unique, just like a snowflake....
 

human5892

Queen of Denmark
Lil' Dice said:
I can, why can't you. People have different rationale, different ways of dealing with anger/depression/despair. That's what makes each individual unique, just like a snowflake....
Yes, and rapists are just artists who paint on a different canvas than the rest of us!
 

Justin Bailey

------ ------
Lil' Dice said:
I can, why can't you. People have different rationale, different ways of dealing with anger/depression/despair. That's what makes each individual unique, just like a snowflake....
He almost admires a guy that killed an innocent police officer.

. . .
 

Pimpwerx

Member
tedtropy said:
'Suicide by cop'? Try, 'fucked up murderer kills self after slaying two'.

Who on earth came up with that article's title. Here's a more accurate one: Psychotic man kills two policers.

If you want something to use against the war, there's far more convincing evidence then this, thankfully now dead, whackjob.
AFAIK, Suicide by cop is a real term for people who choose to go out in a blaze of glory. But most of the time I've heard it used for bank robbers or car thieves who run road blocks and get shot up. PEACE.
 
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