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I think that post needs a dramatic reading.

I'm fucking done lol

 

[M°°nblade]

Seriously. This is the clearest shit ever at this point. Now I'm not saying Sony and their PR reps are not above lying (everybody lies at some point, even if they pretend they don't), but if they are not lying, then these statements could not BE more fucking clear. Completely unlike Microsoft this entire situation.

This reminds me of the 'The PS4 dev kits have “either 8Gb or 16Gb of RAM' news when some people argued 'nuhuh it says Gb, which means 2 GB so it won't have more memory than the Wii U at all!'.

 

[Amir0x]

Sony on Always Online:

Q: Is the PS4 console is designed to be connected in a 'permanent' way? What I'm asking is it will need to be connected all the time? And if so, how will this affect plans for PSN?

A: PlayStation 4 is not a permanent connection system in that sense, but the experience is much richer if you are connected. You will have access to digital content and the updates for your games, along with a wide range of social functions: upload videos and screenshots, see your friends play and interact with them in various ways within the games.

So I think two of the other pillars we talked about in-terms of design were simplicity and immediacy. Even taking back a step from here, PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all. So it depends what level you want to use these feature sets at. So with ’simple’ and ’immediacy’ we want it so that everything is one button click away, for example. And ’immediacy’ takes down these barriers that can be frustrating to gamers between the player getting access to the content.

Q: GI- Rumor claims that Microsoft's console will require an always-online Internet connection to play games. In previous interviews, you've stated that that's not the case with PS4. Did you ever consider an always-online connection for the PS4, and if so, why did you decide against it?

Yosp: Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it. The main reason being that many countries don't have robust Internet connections. It makes sense for people to have Internet connections to play online games, but for offline games there are many countries that we saw do not really have robust internet.

Eurogamer: Does the console always need to be connected to the internet?

Shuhei Yoshida: You can play offline, but you may want to keep it connected. The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita.

Eurogamer: Are all of those things optional? For people who have broadband data limits, for example? They can customise everything?

Shuhei Yoshida: Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that.

Yo guys. Ain't nothing vague about this. Them the facts. Deal.with.it.


Contrast with Microsoft's response on the issue so far in this topic right here.

 

[Kusagari]

I think it's ridiculous that some people can't understand why some are skeptical until we get 100% certain proof.

 

[H_Prestige]

Worst part? I'm not even convinced these people are trolling and are being completely serious with their arbitrary skepticism.

I've never seen this much pure, concentrated stupidity in my years on GAF.

 

[Takuya]

So the number of people who say the (in my opinion) vague statements should somehow make me think that they are less vague?

How does that make sense?



FYI, I took a similar stance to MS' statements -- in particular what Don said during the GameTrailers post conference show talking about how "online wouldn't be required but will be needed to get the full experience of the Xbox" when he was seemingly more so referring to things such as blu-ray movie watching.

But hey -- since I don't see things the same way that you do and have a difference of opinion I'm not impartial. Oh well.

What is vague to you?

It'd like saying your entire post is vague (imo).

 

[Sweet Aunt Nancys Panties]

What does it tell you? And they haven't exactly been quiet. They've been tweeting back saying they appreciate the passion and are listening and have even made joke tweets about DRM. They aren't going to suddenly announce things on Twitter. If they make changes, the will announce them on a real platform.

It means two things:

1 - they're complete idiots. If you know you have no plans for DRM or inhibiting the sale of used games in any way, and you know there's a huge backlash against MS for doing those things, why not let everyone know you have no such plans? Loudly. What good does it do for them to make people think they might actually be doing something similar to MS if they actually don't?

2 - they've got DRM plans of their own. Either of their own accord or to make third parties happy so that they don't bolt and start making PC/X1 exclusives.

 

[Averon]

Goddamn.

The desperation in this thread for Sony to have the same online DRM as the Xbone is damn thick.

 

[Windom Earle]

After the crap they pulled on Vita, I don't doubt Sony is just trying to trick us:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=570381

 

[Into]

By the way don't you guys hate how they're twisting a knife in the wound with going on all how "old school" you can enjoy your console. I'm damn right not going to enjoy it "old school". My numerous PS3 games are left behind to die. Nothing old school about that.

Did you start gaming this last generation? Because that is precisely what old school is, NES, SNES, Mega Drive, PS1, N64, Dreamcast, Saturn and a dozen of others OLD SCHOOL consoles were not in fact backwards compatible.

 

[xxracerxx]

Is there anymore information hidden in this thread? Because the op is pretty much not clearing up anything, could still be the same as the MS system.

Copenap; hates reading threads.

 

[Stone Ocean]

By the way don't you guys hate how they're twisting a knife in the wound with going on all how "old school" you can enjoy your console. I'm damn right not going to enjoy it "old school". My numerous PS3 games are left behind to die. Nothing old school about that.

I don't remember my SNES cartridges working on my N64.

And before anyone asks, no I don't like the lack of BC, I just thought this argument was funny

 

[PSGames]

I think it's obvious Sony is trying to do the right thing here and the system nor 1st party games will require an internet connection but the question is will 3rd party publishers impose the restrictions or not? Sony has already said they've left used game restrictions, etc.. up to publishers. So that's who you need to worry about.

 

[Copenap]

What it doesn't have is a requirement to have a connection at a set period like the 24HR check of Xbox One. We just don't yet know if that then means there isn't any restrictions.

Just have to wait for E3.

Afaik no Sony rep ever said that though.

 

[abic]

No.

Can we edit the thread title and OP to prevent more FUD being spread? Fanboy wars are ok, but not deliberate misinformation and false equivocation.

 

[FranXico]

True good clarifying that up but I am sure sony wants people to be online as much as the microsoft guys...they invested a shit load into those cool features like gaikai and streaming...I am guessing thats why cerny said the experience would be more richer if connected.

Yes! They want to convince the user to be connected by offering (what they consider to be) appealing services. The online functionality is entirely optional.

 

[plainr_]

Sony on Always Online:

Yo guys. Ain't nothing vague about this. Them the facts. Deal.with.it.


Contrast with Microsoft's response on the issue so far in this topic right here.

If this doesn't already convince you, nothing ever will even after E3.

 

[oldtimegamer007]

No DRM? Like the Wii U? No third party confirmed. Prolly sell as well as the Wii U too...

 

[xxracerxx]

Afai no Sony rep ever said that though.

Try reading the thread big boy.

 

[SlowRevolution]

I think it's ridiculous that some people can't understand why some are skeptical until we get 100% certain proof.

What would you consider to be 100% certain proof?

 

[Sendou]

I don't remember my SNES cartridges working on my N64.

And before anyone asks, no I don't like the lack of BC, I just thought this argument was funny

I don't remember Nintendo going on about how old school N64 is Quite the opposite if I remember right

 

[IHaveCandy]

I think by "Old School" they are actually referring to the 2003 movie directed by Todd Phillips starring Luke Wilson, Will Ferrell and Vince Vaughn. The movie is about a fraternity and what do frat houses require? A stable internet connection. Sorry Sony fans.

They require a stable beer connection. Alcohol powered PS4.

 

[Frodo]

At this point I find it hard to believe Sony won't follow MS steps. Would it hurt to say "You will be able to play used games on PS4 just as you currently do on PS3"?

 

[TacticalFox88]

Seriously, this thread is reading like I'm on Gamespot's "System Wars" section.

 

[Bgamer90]

They even said "old school style" to make it explicit that they were referring to (singleplayer) games being entirely playable offline.

Again, how do you know that that's exactly what they mean?

As I've said before "Enjoyed old school" could mean enjoyed with an internet connection -- you know, the way the devices from the past were enjoyed.

I'm pretty sure that I could "enjoy" using a PS4 if watching blu-rays didn't require an internet connection.

 

[H_Prestige]

Fuck man, is the ps4 even real? All I've heard are some vague statements from Sony.

As I've said before "Enjoyed old school" could mean enjoyed with an internet connection -- you know, the way the devices from the past were enjoyed.

Well, you've figured out the meaning. Let's how long it takes you to realize the implication.

 

[Copenap]

Copenap; hates reading threads.

5 pages to possibly find nothing? Sure. I'm here to discuss the op but most posts indicate either a weird interpretation or additional information.

 

[Famassu]

Yes, but again what does he mean by "old school"? Couldn't old school simply mean "without internet"? The PS4 will do more than just play games.

Old school meaning... old school? You do know what that means? Old school = like consoles of ye olde, where there were no online multiplayers, downloadable post-release patches & DLC, nor an Internet connection (for a majority of people) for the Evil Corporations to even use to check if you're still legit.

 

[Deleted member 8095]

I hope neither company has an online requirement. My feeling is, both systems will allow you to play games offline with no Internet at all as long as you have the disc in the disc drive. There's no reason not to allow that.

 

[Quadraphonic]

Oh man. People are so cynical that they think it'll still have online requirements

It's amazing seeing Sony grouped in with MS when they have no of the clusterfuck of stupid going on.

The reality is that people are taking the simple straight answers instead of Microsoft's bumbling and tripping over sarcastic-pr-reporting as being complicit with the DRM when that's never been the case.

Sony's worst crime so far is not showing the device 4 months ago.

The desire, is that they're hoping MS and Sony are equal so they won't have to give up Halo.

 

[Stone Ocean]

What would you consider to be 100% certain proof?

From the looks of it, I think the console will need to be released before people actually believe it.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Fuck man, is the ps4 even real? All I've heard are some vague statements from Sony.

:lol

 

[Majine]

Fuck man, is the ps4 even real? All I've heard are some vague statements from Sony.

There is no box. The PS4 IS the cloud.

 

[Dead Prince]

Sony on Always Online:









Yo guys. Ain't nothing vague about this. Them the facts. Deal.with.it.


Contrast with Microsoft's response on the issue so far in this topic right here.

waiting for kaz to tell us next.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Sounds to me like he's saying exactly what Microsoft are. I don't hear him saying that you don't ever have to connect your console to the internet ever.

I don't expect many to point that out, though. But here's the most important point: I don't care if either console requires an internet connection. Ever since I went broadband, it was always my intention to be capable of being online 24/7 if necessary, and between my previous provider (Optimum Online) and my current (Verizon Fios), both have allowed me to do so successfully.

If people can't accommodate a product that possibly needs to be connected to the internet, then don't buy one. Still getting both a PS4 and Xbox One, and even a Wii-U eventually.

 

[Wishmaster92]

Update the damn op and title already.

 

[spuit*11]

That little bomb bishoptl dropped yesterday is making more and more sense.

 

[Copenap]

Try reading the thread big boy.

Try adding to the op.

 

[GoofsterStud]

It means two things:

1 - they're complete idiots. If you know you have no plans for DRM or inhibiting the sale of used games in any way, and you know there's a huge backlash against MS for doing those things, why not let everyone know you have no such plans? Loudly. What good does it do for them to make people think they might actually be doing something similar to MS if they actually don't?

2 - they've got DRM plans of their own. Either of their own accord or to make third parties happy so that they don't bolt and start making PC/X1 exclusives.

Because your smart and want to win E3. You want to have the last strongest impression coming form E3. This after the Xbox One showing would do it.

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

I think that if you add up how they say you can play PS4 offline but shy away from used games questions leads me to believe that:

-there will be some sort of DRM scheme but it could be simpler and less obtrusive as what MS outlined.
-there could be a choice presented to the user: play your game off the disc but be able to trade/lend/give or tie it to your account and have it forever ala activating a disc game on steam.
-no 24hr checks will be needed because the license won't be transferrable.
-obviously tying a disc game to your account requires internet connection but just that one time. It would also require the serial key included with the disc.
-gamestop etc would unfortunately still have top register games in their system when trading in like the scheme MS is going with.

/shrug

 

[xxracerxx]

5 pages to possibly find nothing? Sure. I'm here to discuss the op but most posts indicate either a weird interpretation or additional information.

And that is what you are looking for, no?

I mean seriously, like 10 posts above your first appearance here Amirox posted something that would clear a lot up for you.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

I think it's ridiculous that some people can't understand why some are skeptical until we get 100% certain proof.

Some skepticism is fine but when does it end and turn into the Obama Birthers in absurdity? So you'll be skeptics until what... A week or month after launch?

If it did require Internet they're doing a very poor job softening the blow.

 

[DoubleTap]

Holy shit, this thread delivered in way I never expected.

 

[CREMSteve]

GAF, you should be ashamed of yourselves. This thread... *shakes head*

 

[Skilletor]

This thread is hilarious.

E3 is going to be fun.

 

[Amir0x]

Fuck man, is the ps4 even real? All I've heard are some vague statements from Sony.

They haven't actually SHOWN the console so maybe you're right

#conspiracytheoryPS4isreal

 

[Bgamer90]

Sony on Always Online:

Yo guys. Ain't nothing vague about this. Them the facts. Deal.with.it.

But again (as I said before) the same thing could have been said about the Xbox One.

"Once every 24 hours" does not equal "always".

 

[SlowRevolution]

They require a stable beer connection. Alcohol powered PS4.

Didn't the PS3 come with Talladega Nights? Maybe Sony has some weird partnership with Will Ferrell and we'll get Old School in 4K for the PS4. I'm not saying it's likely, but I haven't heard anyone from Sony straight up tell me it's not happening.

 

[DieH@rd]

Sony on Always Online:


Yo guys. Ain't nothing vague about this. Them the facts. Deal.with.it.


Contrast with Microsoft's response on the issue so far in this topic right here.

Yeah, they talked about offline for months now in many occasions.

You should create dedicated thread for this, majority of people sadly wont see this...

 

[Minus_Me]

Some of you can't read.