spookyfish
Gold Member
Yeah, about that ...
That's rumored to be basically what the F4 does to *their* universe, before escaping to the MCU.
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Marvel Considers Recasting Black Panther
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Stitch
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Black Panther: Who Is T'Challa's White Son? Ketema Reveal Explained
Marvel Knights reveals Ketema, T'Challa’s son and a new white Black Panther, raising questions about his origins.
www.superherohype.com
MrTroubleMaker
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Revolutionary
Member
Yeah, apparently there was a white Black Panther revealed in the comics this week so I'm thinking this Twitter account is just taking advantage of that and stirring the pot as you said
lifa-cobex
Member
Naaaa.
Common now.
It would be too funny.
A white trans man at max but even then.
Common now.
It would be too funny.
A white trans man at max but even then.
kpopSuperstar
Member
Now black people can experience the shit we have been going through.
Doom85
Member
To my understanding, it's some possible future thing where one of T'Challa's ex-girlfriends, who was white, had a son who is now grown up, and now said son has seemingly claimed the throne by force.
So mind you, this son would technically be biracial, his physical appearance just "appears" white.
Fake
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'And the oscar for the best Black Actor go to...'
Gp1
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I was thinking about what a good conflict could be so that Magneto's origin story could work (let's be real, the further we get away from the 40s the likelihood of him being alive is slimmer and slimmer. I was thinking, the Rwandan genocide might actually be a good backdrop to have as a magneto origin story. Maybe I'm crazy but it works well for me.
Lambogenie
Member
Just make him White Wolf first.
Or Bucky returns to Wakanda and becomes BP after being "adopted" as a brother to T'Challa. He was already there for some time so it wouldn't be that far fetched. Didn't they even refer to him as a white wolf in passing? That would at least make for a vastly different take on both Bucky and a BP.
And it's not like Bucky will be Cap.
I haven't seen Thunderbolts, maybe thay write him out of that team.
That way they can bide their time for a black cast, probably the grown up son, to challenge for the mantle.
Or just revive Kilmonger. MBJ has enough star power now to get butts in seats.
Or Bucky returns to Wakanda and becomes BP after being "adopted" as a brother to T'Challa. He was already there for some time so it wouldn't be that far fetched. Didn't they even refer to him as a white wolf in passing? That would at least make for a vastly different take on both Bucky and a BP.
And it's not like Bucky will be Cap.
I haven't seen Thunderbolts, maybe thay write him out of that team.
That way they can bide their time for a black cast, probably the grown up son, to challenge for the mantle.
Or just revive Kilmonger. MBJ has enough star power now to get butts in seats.
Jinzo Prime
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Ryan as BP is fever dream to the max. LoL
You act like that hasn't been something that's been going on for the longest time and only recently started to stop being a thing
You act like that hasn't been something that's been going on for the longest time and only recently started to stop being a thing
Lambogenie
Member
Controversial, sure, but far from destroying.
That would be one of the most franchice-destroying decisions in cinematic history.
Bucky was in Wakanda for a good while and is the White Wolf (or referred to as such a couple times, but not the actual comic White Wolf). But I don't make movies so...
Lunarorbit
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Just read the description of the the new issue in that link and it's the exact fight that BP had with war monger in the movie.Oh he has a white son nowBlack Panther: Who Is T'Challa's White Son? Ketema Reveal Explained
Marvel Knights reveals Ketema, T'Challa’s son and a new white Black Panther, raising questions about his origins.
The only difference is it's his estranged son instead of his nephew. How fucking lazy
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Stop the cap and you KNOW that's false for BP
Doom85
Member
-T'Challa never defeated Killmonger twice in the duel with it only continuing because the latter refused to yield but that was the case with T'Challa and Ketema in this comic. In the movie, Killmonger never lost the upper hand and threw T'Challa off the edge, but the duel was never officially resolved once it was revealed T'Challa didn't die nor did he ever yield, so he was right that the duel had to continue once he returned (and they didn't need to have T'Challa temporarily drained of the herb's strength as now both he and Killmonger were enhanced by it so it was still an even fight)
-Killmonger's issues with T'Challa are completely different than Ketema's issues with T'Challa. Hell, Killmonger's frustration was more towards the Wakanda government as a whole rather than singling out T'Challa (in fact, he was more angry at the deceased T'Chaka for killing his father and leaving him there when Killmonger was a child), whereas Ketema's beef is purely with his dad
-flashbacks of T'Challa didn't play during the duel in the movie
If the only similarity is "family member of the lead character challenges lead character for the throne", that's a pretty flimsy comparison. By that argument, no Superman comic after 1978 can have Lex Luthor come up with an immoral money-making scheme that could kill a lot of innocent people but then Superman thwarts the scheme, because that's what happened in the 1978 movie. Like, come on, that's too loose a definition of a type of plot to call a future one that does a similar plot "lazy".
calico
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Why would it be false specifically for Black Panther? The justification normally given for casting black actors to play white roles -even for white historical figures- is that it's only about casting the best actors they can. Either that is a valid justification or it isn't.
Doom85
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The Black Panther comics, through their worldbuilding and specific social/political themes, make it abundantly clear the people are black. T'Challa being black is an actual relevant element of his character. You can't say the same for ones like Domino from X-Force for example who was portrayed by a black actress in Deadpool 2. As far as I'm aware, there were no noteworthy comics where Domino being white was a relevant factor.
A time fans could complain was The Dark Tower movie. Roland being white is a relevant factor in the second book of the series, so there was grounds for complaints about Idris Elba playing him. It didn't really matter though because A) the movie sucked, and also changed the story completely from the books, and B) Idris Elba's (and Matthew McConaughey) performance was the only good element of the movie. But if it had been a better film and a more faithful adaptation of the story, there would be actual grounds to complain about Elba being cast.
To be clear, for an example of a white actor playing a character some fans criticized the idea of: I didn't have an issue with a white actor playing Goku in a live-action movie. Fans can nitpick all they want, but Goku IS an alien, and in the anime/manga he did grow up isolated with only his "grandpa" with him so being a non-Japanese person wouldn't draw that much attention in the nation, and then once the worldbuilding in the manga/anime establishes all the unique intelligent creatures who live among the population like a talking cat and a talking pig, Goku being "white" would not draw any more attention than Piccolo or Tien walking around with the Z Fighters in public like when they go to the Tournament at the start of the Buu Saga. Like, sure they get some looks from a few civilians, but no one is making that big a deal about it. Hell, in Dragonball Super, one episode has Piccolo go with Chi-Chi to help her shop and carry some bags for her.
Hell, I remember when a few Japanese news anchors saw the photos of the Evolution cast in costume, they immediately recognized Goku and Piccolo, but they took a moment before they could recognize Chow-yun Fat was supposed to be Roshi. Yes, they got an Asian actor in the role, but because he was missing Roshi's beard, turtle shell, bald head, sunglasses, and cane, and Chow-yun was still quite younger than Roshi in appearance, all the news anchors could initially see was, "Asian guy in Hawaiian shirt".
But ultimately, the problem wasn't Justin Chatwin being white (but I certainly wouldn't have an issue with a Japanese person playing the role obviously. And obviously Roshi, Bulma, Krillin, etc. should definitely be Japanese actors/actresses, or at least all Asian if they can't find a good Japanese actor for a specific character, the country in the manga/anime is Japan and the manga/anime gives no indication that the human characters aren't native Japanese citizens. Tien MIGHT be Japanese, but IIRC Toriyama kind of flip-flopped on Tien's original home or if he's even human), the problem was that Chatwin sucked shit in his performance, and the script wrote the character all wrong. That wasn't Goku, and it had nothing to do with him being "white".
calico
Member
Sorry, we have been told time and again the race of people in the source material -and even for actual historical figures- is irrelevant. It is about casting the best actors they can.
I don't make the rules, I only ask that if those are to be the rules then they must be applied evenly. I am sure they will be, it is just a massive coincidence it only worked one way so far.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
The character is from an isolationist nation in Africa. There are no white people there. They don't have immigrants.
Casting black folks in non-fiction roles where the person was white is bogus and stupid.
White people have, until recently, been playing roles (even non-fictional) non-white roles meant for POC characters... That movie about the card counter "gang" was based on the true story of an Asian American "gang" that somehow has them played by white people. That movie "A mighty Heart" about Maryann Pearl (I think that's her name), a real person, was played by Angelina Jolie, made up to look like a biracial "black" woman (I put that in quotations because I don't know how she identifies) with makeup and a curly wig. There's many such examples in both fiction and non-fiction.
Doom85
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I didn't bring up historical figures, so don't put words into my mouth. We're talking about Marvel comic characters where virtually everyone is fictional.
I don't care about this vague "we've been told" claims. Unless you have some actual law to cite, you citing a few opinionated people and acting like this means "we've been told" is silly. I know what I stand by when it comes to casting and race/ethnicity, and that's that.
And spare me the "it's only worked one way so far". That's bullshit and you know it even within just comic book movies.
calico
Member
This in itself must surely be viewed as a problem which needs to be addressed: an absence of diversity is inherently evil and wrong even when portraying non-diverse historical societies, let alone fictional ones.
And yet that is considered acceptable and to be celebrated within the industry. The reverse is not.
Not surprising. It is as socially accepted to discriminate against Asian people as it is against white people - perhaps even more so.
And they should again if the standard is to be that it's only about casting the best actors they can.
calico
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Doom85
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Richard Packer
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Doom85
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You can keep telling yourself that all you want, but for example, myself and all the liberal friends I have detested every racist who used COVID as an excuse to discriminate against Chinese people back a few years ago.
But, you know, keep throwing out conspiracy theorist "you're racist!" accusations at the vague "society". It's very helpful to the conversation and totally not making you look like you might have a victim complex.
Funny, I reported a YouTube video where the white Youtuber started complaining about how "woke" Absolute Batman is, and then he escalates saying black people are "pillaging and burning nations to the ground" and that "of course white people are terrified of black people!" That video? Never got removed at all. Huh, a white guy goes on a racist tirade against black people, and his video……DOESN'T GET REMOVED?!
But that completely contradicts what "society" "accepts" and doesn't "accept" according to your vague, over simplistic argument! How can this be?!
BennyBlanco
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Ryan Gosling black panther would be the most entertaining thing that has ever happened with Disney/ Marvel
calico
Member
Would any significant production make a casting choice like that today do you think? There's no reason they shouldn't if we apply the standard currently in effect for white historical figures and roles evenly across all groups.
Of course there's no chance it would happen today -just like there's no chance they would cast a white actor to play Black Panther- because the standard currently in effect is actually a racist double standard, and when they say 'it's only about hiring the best actor', they are not being honest.
Lambogenie
Member
His adopted brother is white in the comics.
The situation in the movie has changed that yes, a foreigner could easily challenge the mantle outside the obvious not a native, which is fine if they want to go there.
Well, you would have to decide if Magnetos Jewish origins are as important to his character as Black Panther being a sub-saharan black african, versus all the other ethnicities on that continent.
chromhound
Member
White panther?
Under the suit how would you know? Guy could be in three films before he ever takes off the mask.
Richard Packer
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kpopSuperstar
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Its true, but when they mess with Black Panther I assume black people get frustrated, as they should, but they cast fucking idris elba as Heimdall in Norse Mythology we have a horde of fucking white people calling us racist if we dont agree with fucking up our culture.
When black people start calling you racist for standing up for black panther, then you will know the absurdity of being white.
Its only a matter if time before your own people lose their fucking mind like ours have.
Puscifer
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With all the multiverse it'll happen
wondermega
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Liopleurodon
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I would like to see Denzel as Magneto.
And Morgan Freeman as Professor X?
And give us that fantasy casting of Danny Devito as Wolverine.
Marvel, use that multiverse for GOOD!
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It's Canon to the comics but (they did everything wrong).... But you're right. Shuri was boring. The humor and wit was gone.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
They're aliens whom the Norse thought of as gods. They used freaking space ships! They weren't from Earth.
And the Asgardian people were Asian, black, indigenous and white presenting people.
That was no more "your" culture than Wakanda is mine.
And your rhetoric is dangerously close to sounding a certain way.
Liopleurodon
Member
Morgan is too old to be Prof. X, but now that you've mentioned it, I definitely think he would fit, and do a great job if he got a role 25 years ago.
Jinzo Prime
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The very words "Black Panther" are rooted in African American history:
Black Panther Party - Wikipedia
BP the character just so happened to be created in the same year as that group: 1966.
Black Panther (character) - Wikipedia
BP was black from the very beginning, and was meant to add more Black characters into the Marvel roster at the time of his creation, according to creator Jack Kirby.