"Which black characters or black historical figures have been played by white actors in the last ten years?"
First two examples given aren't black characters or black historical figures. The third one looked like this irl. Most of the rest just seem to be complaining that the cast in general isn't as black as some would have liked it to be.![]()
"Which black characters or black historical figures have been played by white actors in the last ten years?"
First two examples given aren't black characters or black historical figures. The third one looked like this irl. Most of the rest just seem to be complaining that the cast in general isn't as black as some would have liked it to be.![]()
Not reading all of whatever that cringe is supposed to be but which goalposts are you suggesting have moved? I asked for examples of black characters played by white actors in the last ten years and you 'misunderstood' the assignment so badly that you offered Japanese, Chinese, Hispanic characters and MJ who is a weird edge case because he presented himself as white as possible IRL.
I agreed like 50 posts ago that it's socially accepted to discriminate against Asians.Asian Americans have literally been replaced by white people in movies
I think it's such a unique case (black person turns white in appearance and then has extensive surgery to make himself look as not-African as possible) that it would be impossible to 'win' whatever the studio did. I think we can quite safely assume that if MJ had kept his original appearance throughout his life, this casting choice would never have been made.Also... Michael was still black, irrespective of his extreme vitiligo... While it would have been hard to cast, casting a white man (Joseph Fienes... I'm probably butchering his name) as MJ is... Odd.
Not reading all of whatever that cringe is supposed to be
I agreed like 50 posts ago that it's socially accepted to discriminate against Asians.
I think it's such a unique case (black person turns white in appearance and then has extensive surgery to make himself look as not-African as possible) that it would be impossible to 'win' whatever the studio did. I think we can quite safely assume that if MJ had kept his original appearance throughout his life, this casting choice would never have been made.
Also, as far as I can tell, this episode never even aired because of the backlash, which would seem to suggest that rather than this example being evidence that this practice is accepted (as accepted as black actors playing white people, which is common practice), it is evidence to the contrary.
This is the problem, you don't understand that if you speak like this when you are white you get called racist.Sorry, we have been told time and again the race of people in the source material -and even for actual historical figures- is irrelevant. It is about casting the best actors they can.
I don't make the rules, I only ask that if those are to be the rules then they must be applied evenly. I am sure they will be, it is just a massive coincidence it only worked one way so far.
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I didn't bring up historical figures, so don't...
Post #77, DUH.
I've already addressed it. Oh shocker, you "don't remember", because of course you don't, why change up your basic behavior, you troll. But here, because apparently you lack the basic capabilities of using Google:
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Now, WOULD IT SURPRISE YOU TO KNOW I CAN SMELL THE INCOMING STENCH OF GOALPOST MOVING?
You can save your breath, I called you out on your "bad memory" yet again, and there are clear examples. But again, I don't give a shit about someone like YOU, who wants to stand on a moral high ground against the boogeyman "society" that you delude yourself into thinking is out to get you, and yet with your same breath, you mock creators (deceased ones at that) who went against the norms of their times and created characters and spoke about topics that meant something to people who have actually been discriminated against.
Their characters and stories will last for a long time no matter how much you clearly wish they didn't based off your transparent attitude.
Wakanda FOREVER.
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Racism against Asians is accepted, because they're the 'successful' minority. And Asian Americans are still a long way from being treated as Americans and not as foreigners and orientals
The character is from an isolationist nation in Africa. There are no white people there. They don't have immigrants.
You should be careful calling people oppressed on whims like this, I dont think they would like being called that.The "model minority" myth has made it acceptable to see them as "other"... When they aren't. They're just as oppressed as any black or brown person in this country.
African immigrants are one of the most educated, law abiding and financially successful groups in the US... But they don't have that myth attached to them.
Woah. This is a fantasy version of an African nation. It's not real. The writers can create any situation they can think of to make Wakanda more modern and multicultural.
Historically, white people have been in Africa for thousands of years, so it's not so much of a stretch to have Ryan Gosling as BP.
Any race can be Black Panther. It's just a title. Just like any race can be Captain America, Spider-Man, Iron Man etc. It doesn't matter.
Now, historical figures is where it does matter, but luckily Black Panther is fantasy.
This is the problem, you don't understand that if you speak like this when you are white you get called racist.
Someone defended the black woman in game dev who used non-white safe spaces. Which is categorically insane and is straight up nazi ideology. Every race has people afraid of other races. We cant use race safe spaces.
"Wakanda Forever" is a god damn race slogan.
You are getting away with so much bullshit and is demonizing everyone and everything as "suspicious (aka racist)" to shut people up.
Woah. This is a fantasy version of an African nation. It's not real. The writers can create any situation they can think of to make Wakanda more modern and multicultural.
Historically, white people have been in Africa for thousands of years, so it's not so much of a stretch to have Ryan Gosling as BP.
Any race can be Black Panther. It's just a title. Just like any race can be Captain America, Spider-Man, Iron Man etc. It doesn't matter.
Now, historical figures is where it does matter, but luckily Black Panther is fantasy.
I am white myself, so you can step off with the "you don't understand" nonsense.
A "race slogan"? Because a nation's citizenship just happens to be pretty much entirely one race and/or ethnicity? I guess the Japanese flag was an "race slogan" for a long time for example. Come on, man, you're just spouting nonsense. And there's a story reason Wakanda feel hesitant to let outsiders become citizens, because so many people covet their weapons and will do anything to steal that technology. It doesn't mean they hate the outside world, Shuri and Okoke risk a lot helping Ross (Martin Freeman's character) at the end of the second movie.
Oh, just stop with your double standard shit. Calico is here constantly making mass accusations of racism against white people, racism against Asian people, but the second someone IMPLIES he might be acting just slightly racially insensitive, that person needs to shut up? Here's a piece of advice: don't dish it out if you can't take it yourself.
The Wakanda of both the Marvel Comics and the MCU have a very clear history, you can't just suddenly say, "oh, actually, the country always had some white people in it" without causing massive continuity errors. And for established characters, who should Gosling play? You all keep saying "Gosling should play Black Panther", but you conveniently never say who.
All the native Wakandan Black Panthers preceding T'Challa, plus ones like his sister, would make no sense being white based on the established lore. Killmonger wouldn't as well without massively changing his character's backstory and motivation.
The only one Gosling could play is this new character in the comics, Ketema……who seems to be set up as a villain. And if they do go that route, I look forward to certain people still whining of, "oh, he can't be a hero?!" Well, the MCU took villains who weren't black in the comics, Kang the Conqueror and the High Evolutionary, and had them played by black actors.
So, you know, fair's fair.
Stan Lee created the Black Panther comic partially because he wanted a character to exist that if a black kid walked into a comic store he could find a comic that has a lead character that shares the same race as him. It's a relevant aspect of the title, the same way you wouldn't change the Fantastic Four from a family to a bunch of emotionally distant people who act like co-workers and associates rather than family and friends to each other.
If some of you can't respect what the Black Panther title means to some of the black community, are you at least capable of respecting Stan the Man? Come on!
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You know what's incredibly ironic ?
That if people said the same exact thing as you but in reverse (say, about Angrboda in GOW Ragnarok, "representation" in a Witcher game, People of all colors in an...ancient Greek setting), you'd be the first one to dismiss those opinions and scream from the top of your lungs "ThAT'S just fAnTaSY, WhY Do yOu cAre ?" - like the 99% of people out there that didn't pay any attention at school, never opened a book in their life with the only medium that they've consumed being friggin' comic books and video games.
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A) I've never read or played the Witcher, so I have no opinion on it. Angrboda is not a human being. She is not actually a Norse human being. You know, if you had ACTUALLY READ MY PRIOR POSTS, you would know I had no issue with a white person playing Goku in live-action, because he's, you know, AN ALIEN! HE'S NOT HUMAN! Do I have to spell that out for some of you more slowly, because some of you all really can't seem to follow basic shit, I swear.
And no, say, when a film like Gods of Egypt came out, I didn't have an issue with some of the gods being played by white actors. Now if actual Egyptians were cast inaccurately, sure, that's an issue.
How does that clash with your pathetic attempt at an assessment of me?
B) so you're just calling me stupid with this "didn't pay attention at school" and "never opened a book in life"?
I paid enough attention in school to know what this limp dick of a tactic is:
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Definition of AD HOMINEM
appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect; marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
Says a lot about how "strong" your argument is if you had to resort to that with your FIRST post towards me here.
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PS : I'm white myself® and I found Gods of Egypt insufferable, idiotic and just plain bad - but not because of the whitewashing but because it was just a bad, horrible movie, not that it matters eh ?
I liked the idea that they were so large. Some cool ideas in there.![]()
I had a decent time with it. Nothing great by any means, but it was an okay time.
So there are sometimes changes that are necessary due to limitations and constraints in the production. A 'white' Black Panther would be a marketing DISASTER, barring a decade long attempt to rebrand the character, so we all know that just isn't gonna happen. But to say that the character is INEXTRICABLY black is not true, everything about Wakanda could be transported to the Aboriginal outback or the heights of the Andes and it wouldn't change in a fundamental way and every character and backstory could be retconned. This isn't as true with characters like Captain America who are culturally bound to an ideology that can not be altered nearly as easily, IMHO. Could Bruce Banner be a skateboarding champion instead of a gamma ray scientist? Maybe, but I think the self inflicted nature of his duality is key to his character in ways that would be broken if he gets his power in some other way.
So thats why casting can be difficult, especially when the setting is very divergent from the place where it is being made. Why are there so many white dudes in the Star Wars Empire? Because they filmed it in england, full of white dudes. The Rebellion humans were just as monotonous. Why is John Wayne playing Ghengis Kann? Because he is the name that puts asses in seats and the number of mongolian, or even chinese, korean, or japanese actors in Hollywood that could headline a film like that at that time was probably like 5 dudes and none of them were even close to the star wattage of John. Yul Brenner isn't from Siam (Thailand), far far from it, but he had an exotic enough look to fit the bill (both for the play and the film The King and I).
All those changes you suggested would FUNDAMENTALLY change the story into something else entirely. Just make a new character, country and story, then.
This is an odd thing to say since the character is white. His Grandpa wasn't really his Grandpa if that's where you're getting confused.I had no issue with a white person playing Goku in live-action
This is an odd thing to say since the character is white. His Grandpa wasn't really his Grandpa if that's where you're getting confused.
Relax DF.J jason10mm
You keep wanting to change Wakanda into something it hasn't been ever for the past 60 years... Why? Just to pwn some nebulous demographic and watch them rage? Trying to make it seem like it's totally canon to have a white Black Panther and these rules are just non-existent in the story lore?
Cap is American but his mantle can be passed on. Spider-Man wears a mask and his mantle can be passed on. The Black Panther is both protector AND King... And Wakandans wouldn't welcome an outsider...
All those changes you suggested would FUNDAMENTALLY change the story into something else entirely. Just make a new character, country and story, then.
I mean, you could say the same about any Alien, such as Superman. Which makes it redundant to talk about anything other than skin colour which is why I found it as an odd discussion point.![]()
A) in an earlier post, I flat out used "grandpa" with quotations. I know my Dragonball.
B) Goku is an alien. There's no basis to determine his race. You could make an argument for skin tone, but he could easily be played by a white or Asian actor. Even certain other people of races and ethnicities (and also interracial families) depending on their skin tone would still reasonably match the physical appearance. And like I said, Dragonball is a world where Japan is inhabited by a talking cat, a talking pig, a dude with a third eye, a green alien, and normal people will occasionally look at them but no one makes a massive deal about them, so a non-Japanese person should logically not cause too much fuss.
But having said that, no, Goku (and the rest of the Saiyans) does not HAVE to be white. It's just they could be. Bulma, Krillin, Roshi, Yamcha, Chi-Chi, etc. though should be Japanese, or if there's limited casting options, at least Asian actors and actresses.
You really should read Christopher Priest's, Reginald Hudlin's and Ta-Nehesi Coates' runs because no... It's not a mantle like Cap, Spidey and Ironman....
And yes I know it's fiction. Duh. I'm passionate about the character (almost as passionate as Superman and Batman)
Oh, just stop with your double standard shit.
The Wakanda of both the Marvel Comics and the MCU have a very clear history, you can't just suddenly say, "oh, actually, the country always had some white people in it" without causing massive continuity errors.
And for established characters, who should Gosling play? You all keep saying "Gosling should play Black Panther", but you conveniently never say who.
All the native Wakandan Black Panthers preceding T'Challa, plus ones like his sister, would make no sense being white based on the established lore. Killmonger wouldn't as well without massively changing his character's backstory and motivation.
The only one Gosling could play is this new character in the comics, Ketema……who seems to be set up as a villain. And if they do go that route, I look forward to certain people still whining of, "oh, he can't be a hero?!" Well, the MCU took villains who weren't black in the comics, Kang the Conqueror and the High Evolutionary, and had them played by black actors.
If some of you can't respect what the Black Panther title means to some of the black community, are you at least capable of respecting Stan the Man? Come on!
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No, Denzel is a great actor, but we need another young black actor to fill the role.I think Denzel Washington will be the next Back Panther. A tribute to Chadwick for paying his summer acting . He was his mentor.
I agree with you 100%. I'm not interested in changing Wakanda, it has enough internal structural flaws as it is without compounding them by trying to transpose it on a different region. All I'm saying is that at the level of the MCU, you COULD do it, and the vast majority of the stories you could tell wouldn't change and a lot of the audience that would watch wouldn't care. The critical elements of how Wakanda interacts with the MCU world and its properties are not geographically fixed. And you absolutely COULD introduce a non-black segment of Wakanda. It's a fictional country with nebulous borders. There could ABSOLUTELY be an even more reclusive batch of them, not heard from for a century, that springs out from some mountain fortress and who happen to be from a different part of Africa. We've already seen that Wakandans are sent out all over the world, it's LUDICROUS to think they don't meet others, fall in love, have kids, etc. Over centuries even that little bit of external contact would alter their population, lest the rest become the kind of inbred degenerates we see in other isolated populations.J jason10mm
You keep wanting to change Wakanda into something it hasn't been ever for the past 60 years... Why? Just to pwn some nebulous demographic and watch them rage? Trying to make it seem like it's totally canon to have a white Black Panther and these rules are just non-existent in the story lore?
Cap is American but his mantle can be passed on. Spider-Man wears a mask and his mantle can be passed on. The Black Panther is both protector AND King... And Wakandans wouldn't welcome an outsider...
All those changes you suggested would FUNDAMENTALLY change the story into something else entirely. Just make a new character, country and story, then.
See, the issue here is that you speak english and are consuming english media. Go watch spanish, indian, chinese, korean, or whatever non-english media and the % of white people drops off a cliff. Because a vast majority of "english only" speakers ONLY speak english, the subtitle barrier is very real for this other stuff (and dubbing is expensive). And all the production money is in America and England, the market is primarily America, and the casting of fluent english speakers is, not shocking, gonna come from english first countries which are mostly white. So the casting (for marketability, availability, suitability) is gonna be biased, the creator pool is gonna be biased, the money is gonna be biased. Just like Chinese cinema, Korean cinema, and all the rest.If I'm being honest, I don't think any character, fictional or historical, should be race swapped, but there are clear double standards in this area.
And I get it. White characters, both historical and fictional are over represented in media, which is bizarre considering white people are a global minority race.
I just wanna see Denzel beat the crap out of a series of young toughs to win the crown. Remember, Wakanda is based on raw physical strength and fighting prowess but it's Hollywood so surely a 70 year old guy has a chance.No, Denzel is a great actor, but we need another young black actor to fill the role.
There definitely is a degree of double standards in the industry.
You previously pointed out cases of white actors playing roles of historical non white people. In those cases, the cast/director were called out and accused of white washing. The media attacked the studios, apologies were made etc. We can agree that white washing real historical non white people is wrong.
However, when it's reversed we never see people up in arms over "black washing". Sure, some people do complain, but those people are labelled racist. Those who complain about white washing end up praising the decision to race swap a historical white character.
Would we not say this is a double standard?
Why? Amazon can make Middle-Eartth a multicultural melting pot because "it's just fantasy" why can't we do the same fot Wakanda?
A new character created to put on the suit? Seems reasonable.
Change the lore. It's not as if established lore hasn't been changed before.
Race swapping fictional characters is fine as long as the character is a villain?
This is an important point. If Black Panther key identity is that the character must be black, then yeah, I think it would be a bit odd to race swap to a white character.
If I'm being honest, I don't think any character, fictional or historical, should be race swapped, but there are clear double standards in this area.
And I get it. White characters, both historical and fictional are over represented in media, which is bizarre considering white people are a global minority race.
To fix this, create more black fictional characters. Make films and TV shows about black, Asian and other non white historical figures. African nations have a very rich and vibrant history with some incredibly interesting people that would make amazing films and TV shows. This is what real representation should look like.
I agree with you 100%. I'm not interested in changing Wakanda, it has enough internal structural flaws as it is without compounding them by trying to transpose it on a different region. All I'm saying is that at the level of the MCU, you COULD do it, and the vast majority of the stories you could tell wouldn't change and a lot of the audience that would watch wouldn't care. The critical elements of how Wakanda interacts with the MCU world and its properties are not geographically fixed. And you absolutely COULD introduce a non-black segment of Wakanda. It's a fictional country with nebulous borders. There could ABSOLUTELY be an even more reclusive batch of them, not heard from for a century, that springs out from some mountain fortress and who happen to be from a different part of Africa. We've already seen that Wakandans are sent out all over the world, it's LUDICROUS to think they don't meet others, fall in love, have kids, etc. Over centuries even that little bit of external contact would alter their population, lest the rest become the kind of inbred degenerates we see in other isolated populations.
MCU Captain America works as a specific representation of an American Ideal contrasted with an opposing set of beliefs and ideals. Those films don't rally have the time to get more than surface level so he needs to be clearly defined. Change that into a more murky interpretation and you get BNW. Same with Spiderman. It's the dorky high school kid with powers that really sells it. You can change out Peter Parker, but unless its with a direct personality clone, the dynamic is off. Sure, the power set is inherently cool, but it's the personalities that really sell this stuff.
Did you see what he did to his facial features?He wasn't trying to "be white".
-but the double standard I was criticizing wasn't about the industry, but calico's behavior, recheck my post
-sure
-you've definitely had selective vision if that's all you've seen. Plenty of people who complain about "black washing" easily use accusations of racism themselves, including this very site. Christ, did you not see the shitshow that was the multiple Assassin's Creed Shadows thread? People were more than eager to accuse Ubisoft of "hating Asian men" and just generalizing the game as "black man murders massive amount of Japanese people, WOW" It was the same stupid reactions Resident Evil 5 got, but this time it was the other side that was being stupid
Trust me, the other side is more than willing to throw out racism accusations, hell, if you read all of calico's posts in this thread, he was throwing them around left and right like there was no tomorrow! That's kind of the double standard I was actually talking about
-because Wakanda is meant to be a fictional country within Africa, a real continent, set on our Earth. And its people are human beings that naturally fit in with Earth. You can't compare to Lord of the Rings and Middle-Earth which is ENTIRELY fantasy and even the humans live within completely fictional cities, countries, the planet itself. There is no comparison to our Earth.
-oh, so we'll complain about completely changing Taskmaster and thus
she's unceremoniously killed off after a minute of screentime
in Thunderbolts, but now it's okay to invent a totally original character to be Black Panther and keep him around?
-when have massive retcons to an entire nation's history happened within the MCU?
-come on, bruh, I didn't say that, and you know it. I'm saying the only white person to become Black Panther in the comics so far is clearly framed as a villain. So in terms of canon characters, that's who we have to work with.
-I disagree, I think there are logical layers that should be examined (is the character representing an actual real person who exists/existed? Is the character actually a human being? Is the setting a real place or fictional, and how much of it is it one way or the other? Was the character's race actually carefully considered when making the character? Does the character's race significantly impact the story, interactions with bother characters, themes, etc.? And so on and so forth) when it comes to each individual choice on if a race/ethnicity change is acceptable.
The problem is the drama queens on either side can't be bothered to apply that much thought to such a process, and thus all of them would rather sling accusations and demands rather than thinking logically about it.
-well, people on the other side have ignored race/ethnicity ratio statistics themselves. When Spider-man Homecoming came out, there were a decent people complaining that the students of Peter's school were "clearly forced to be diverse" and such…….and almost anyone who actually lived in Queens said, actually, the movie probably should have had a few less white people in the school if it was going for full accuracy.
I don't want to believe this. That would mean we're stuck with the same IPs never to get anything new. You really believe this or want this?And in general, new IPs just don't do that well. Looking at the actual box office, despite people claiming they "want more originality", it's more often than not the established IPs that bring in the big bucks.
Every now and then you get a breakthrough original hit like Sinners that does so well even the usual haters will know to back down. And yet you wonder how long that will last before the usual suspects just can't help themselves. I mean, on this very forum, there was a guy who said recently, "has enough time passed that we can all stop pretending that Black Panther is anything but a mediocre movie that was propped up by the wokies and black community?" Like, dude is so butthurt over that film's success he needs to think a ton of people are just straight about lying about how they felt about the film, just so his sense of reality isn't shattered. Pretty pathetic, and I've seen enough of shit like this to know eventually there will be people saying the same thing about Sinners.
To quote Battlestar Galactica: "all of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."
If they made a pure white nation in Marvel that was built around the idea of representing the white race, and there was a slogan for it. Yes, it would be considered racist. It would never be accepted.I am white myself, so you can step off with the "you don't understand" nonsense.
A "race slogan"? Because a nation's citizenship just happens to be pretty much entirely one race and/or ethnicity? I guess the Japanese flag was an "race slogan" for a long time for example. Come on, man, you're just spouting nonsense. And there's a story reason Wakanda feel hesitant to let outsiders become citizens, because so many people covet their weapons and will do anything to steal that technology. It doesn't mean they hate the outside world, Shuri and Okoke risk a lot helping Ross (Martin Freeman's character) at the end of the second movie.
Oh, just stop with your double standard shit. Calico is here constantly making mass accusations of racism against white people, racism against Asian people, but the second someone IMPLIES he might be acting just slightly racially insensitive, that person needs to shut up? Here's a piece of advice: don't dish it out if you can't take it yourself.
No doubt would sell more tickets.They should cast dricus du plessis as the next bp, dude is african and look like a superhero without need for steroids
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That's the childish hoarders mentality. People with this view in life love to take other people's things, but hate to give up anything. Complaining and clutching every last thing they got in life.That was the amusing thing watching the Black Panther fad: Wakanda's status quo was essentially a 'racially pure' supercharged version of MAGA, but the same crowd who would argue the latter is pure evil were absolutely giddy over Wakanda![]()
Nah. It's not a both sides thing. Far more people complain about white washing, including the media. When black washing happens, especially with historical figures, the media praises it, as do the same people who complain about black washing.
If they made a pure white nation in Marvel that was built around the idea of representing the white race, and there was a slogan for it. Yes, it would be considered racist. It would never be accepted.
Many characters mean different things for people. Many white characters means much to white people too. If we go by what a character means to a community then no one should be race swapped.
Which is the correct path, but if you are gonna turn heimdal and snape into africans then you better stfu when they turn black panther into vanilla.
And we're done.
This very fucking site has shown that's clearly not the case. You don't get to excuse bullshit on either side with "well, I think this side complains more! I don't have numbers to prove there's more complainers, but trustmebro!" and "b-b-but the media doesn't like us!" If there's complaining on both sides, then that damages your claim
Calm yourself. I didn't mean to upset you.And DO NOT BULLSHIT ME THAT THE OTHER SIDE NEVER USES THE "YOU'RE RACIST" MOVE.
So you're going to sit here and really try to manipulate me into not seeing what people are flat out saying? Really?
If you choose to stick your head in the sand about all this, you're probably too far gone on that side and are already chugging down that Kool-aid
The fact that the other side continues this blatantly false "it's not both sides" narrative even as this year proves how much their side has certain, powerful individuals who have zero respect for and are attacking freedom of speech, expression, equality, etc. and yet they want to pretend none of it is happening (no, I won't elaborate more. You know damn well why, and I'm not going to break the forum rules just to spell it out for you). It proves how many of them really want the world to only cater to THEM and don't actually give a shit about a fair playing field like they pretend to.
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That was the amusing thing watching the Black Panther fad: Wakanda's status quo was essentially a 'racially pure' supercharged version of MAGA, but the same crowd who would argue the latter is pure evil were absolutely giddy over Wakanda![]()
They don't "happen" to be made of black people. Its Africa, its supposed to be black people. Which is cool and I support, but to deny there aint a black people first tint to it is outright false.And we're done. This very fucking site has shown that's clearly not the case. You don't get to excuse bullshit on either side with "well, I think this side complains more! I don't have numbers to prove there's more complainers, but trustmebro!" and "b-b-but the media doesn't like us!" If there's complaining on both sides, then that damages your claim
And DO NOT BULLSHIT ME THAT THE OTHER SIDE NEVER USES THE "YOU'RE RACIST" MOVE. I already pointed out the AC Shadows threads where everyone and their mom were throwing out "you all hate Japanese people!" left and right, and again, this VERY THREAD where calico just makes mass racism accusations casually.
So you're going to sit here and really try to manipulate me into not seeing what people are flat out saying? Really?
If you choose to stick your head in the sand about all this, you're probably too far gone on that side and are already chugging down that Kool-aid.
The fact that the other side continues this blatantly false "it's not both sides" narrative even as this year proves how much their side has certain, powerful individuals who have zero respect for and are attacking freedom of speech, expression, equality, etc. and yet they want to pretend none of it is happening (no, I won't elaborate more. You know damn well why, and I'm not going to break the forum rules just to spell it out for you). It proves how many of them really want the world to only cater to THEM and don't actually give a shit about a fair playing field like they pretend to.
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You're choosing to equate two things to fit your argument. Wakanda doesn't represent the entire race, how the fuck would that make sense? They just happen to be made up of all black people, and the stories and themes work in their own way because of that. And plenty of the black community were celebrating because it was the first MAJOR BLOCKBUSTER film in the U.S. with a massive black cast, something that had pretty much never happened in Hollywood before. But of course, certain people *cough* just couldn't stand seeing them be happy about that, huh?
So what, based on your "logic", saying "anime rules" is an ethnicity/nationality slogan now? You sound fucking insane.
You're conveniently choosing to skip over all the many other factors and details I've explained as to how I feel who could be raceswapped and such or not. Either read my prior posts, or step off, I'm not repeating what I've typed multiple times by this point.
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Heimdall is a fictional deity, so NOT HUMAN, whose story, and the other Norse gods, are massively changed, and yet the first change out of all of them that so many individuals like YOU whine about is him being black.
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Hilarious how you "conveniently" missed my Gods of Egypt post where I said I had no issue with the cast, including the white actors/actresses, who played the Egyptian gods.
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Ah yes, I remember all the times Snape spoke out about actual race issues. Oh wait, no, any elements of discrimination in HP were completely metaphorical.
"you better STFU"
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Somebody's getting a little spicy. Funny, I thought individuals like you were usually all vocal about freedom of speech…..
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