BronsonLee
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Marvel going street level w/ Netflix (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist)
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NotTheGuyYouKill
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Danny's half-Asian, half-White. His granddad, Orson, is a nutty White dude who became the Iron Fist. Boom.
Angelus Errare
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Making half Asian would actually be a good approach provided they can write it correctly. An half Asian who feels lost and out of place, everyone on earth expects him to be an Asian stereotype, many people in K'un L'un sees him as a half breed lesser.
I don't get the calls for iron fist to be Asian, the whole point of the character is he's white or at least non Asian. I have only read a few trades of Fraction's run so I am no expert so what am I missing. A Shang Chi TV series would be kinda cool.
WyndhamPrice
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So I've seen the first half of this season of Jessica Jones.
I think people are going to be shocked, and very pleased. Marvel is growing up quite a bit with this show.
I haven't signed an NDA or anything like that but I'm hesitant to go into specifics this far before the show premieres. I'll just say I'm aching to see what the last half is like. I thought Daredevil was a bit slow, and it's kind of amazing how much plot they pack into JJ.
It's going to be a long month to wait.
I think people are going to be shocked, and very pleased. Marvel is growing up quite a bit with this show.
I haven't signed an NDA or anything like that but I'm hesitant to go into specifics this far before the show premieres. I'll just say I'm aching to see what the last half is like. I thought Daredevil was a bit slow, and it's kind of amazing how much plot they pack into JJ.
It's going to be a long month to wait.
No Iron Fist would suck if true - if only because we'd miss out on the beautiful bromance of Luke and Danny. I really don't see why it's so difficult... vigilante in New York, some Chinatown mysticism tossed in, martial arts action, dash of revenge story. It doesn't have to be super ambitious.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I honestly find it really difficult to believe that they don't know how to do Iron Fist because it isn't hard.
BronsonLee
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How does it feel like to be hated on gaf?
Folks love to be disspointed and outraged.
It is masochism at this point.
Excellent. Marvel and Netflix win again.
He doesn't need to be half, "pure" Asians already go through this shit.
Not even 2 weeks ago.
WyndhamPrice
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If you go back to the Daredevil hype threads I got to the first 4 episodes of that ahead of time, too!
Father_Brain
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Funny thing is... if you read to the bottom, Johnston contradicts these rumors by saying that his own sources now tell him that IF on Netflix is "fine."
Possibly thanks to Bleeding Cool's own reporting. LOL.
Probabily waiting for the Star Wars trailer hype to settle then drop the bomb
Hey I am no Nexon, there is only so much comic multimeda I can keep track off
Father_Brain
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Good, good. With the overwhelmingly positive assessments of the NYCC preview, Mo Ryan's praise the other day, and this, I'm feeling better and better about certain naysayers being proven wrong.
E the Shaggy
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It's kind of brilliant in the fact that if they go with Shang Chi, they don't have to pump money into special effects for Iron Fist's fist, dragons, etc etc.
It sucks though because Iron Fist was my most anticipated of these for all that crazy supernatural shit...also Fat Cobra.
It sucks though because Iron Fist was my most anticipated of these for all that crazy supernatural shit...also Fat Cobra.
Polo was one of the most expensive shows ever produced. Nearly ten million per episode.
Danny being Asian would be one of the least offensive changes in the MCU. If I had to rank them it would be near the bottom.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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WyndhamPrice
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Oh I didn't realize Ryan had mentioned it recently! I guess it makes sense, press folks had access over the last week to screeners.
I am not press but am lucky enough to know someone who is and we were both pretty surprised that there weren't any (apparent) restrictions on talking about the episodes but it seems like there's a bit of a gentlemen's agreement about not openly discussing it this far out from the premiere date.
Discotheque
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that's great. looking more and more like netflix will be where the best of the mcu's output will lie at.
Discotheque
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I think a 10 years ago Owen Wilson would have been incredible as danny rand tbh.
If this iron fist rumor is true it's probably because iron fist is so far removed from the tone they're going for in daredevil and now jessica jones. Plus I think punisher is all but confirmed to be on their slate next after they finish luke cage
If this iron fist rumor is true it's probably because iron fist is so far removed from the tone they're going for in daredevil and now jessica jones. Plus I think punisher is all but confirmed to be on their slate next after they finish luke cage
There hasn't been any reports though. I know Punisher is a huge character and I hope and do think he'll get his own show but there just aren't any reports about it yet.
BKatastrophe
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A) We can only hope
B) Shang-Chi, maybe. Doubtful Punisher would, because Punisher will almost definitely get its own series regardless.
C) I liked my Inhumans shilling. Probably the only one on GAF who does.
If they weren't already saying that after DD.
I think we should take basically any comic book TV/movie rumor these days from any blog-like news outlet with a grain of salt. It's just too easy to go viral to stuff without any substance these days because fans are so desperate to want to talk about anything.
That said, Iron Fist as a series IS a tough nut to crack. It's not really as simple as doing whatever the comics did, because I think this thread itself is a good example, just go back the weeks and months, and you'll see the Iron Fist argument pop up again and again. I've talked about it quite a bit too, and I do believe that there is a huge disconnect between a) what Iron Fist is, b) what the average person will see Iron Fist as, c) what Netflix signed up for with the Marvel deal, and d) what talented people want to do in the comic book TV/movie space today.
There's nothing inherently wrong with what Iron Fist is, and by itself it is not hard to make a good adaptation of it if you can ignore all other factors. But that's not how the world works, and that's definitely not how multi million dollar deals work in entertainment today.
- Netflix signed up for a series of what they perceived as more grounded and grittier street level stories which weren't about saving the world or fighting giant monsters and robot armies
- The big comic book adaptations today, especially from Marvel, are extremely progressive and are hence sensitive and aware of audience expectations regarding diversity and racial archetypes
- Iron Fist is a comic about a privileged white American teen with blond hair and blue eyes, who inherited a multi-billion dollar industrial company from his father, and grew up in a mystic quasi-Asian hidden world where he bested all the natives at their own martial arts and earned the title and powers of Iron Fist after beating a dragon in a cave barehanded
The nut that needs to be cracked here is not "how do we make a good TV show out of Iron Fist", but rather "how does Iron Fist fit into the sort of TV shows Netflix/Marvel and potential Netflix/Marvel collaborators want to make". If you change Danny to an Asian, you're just pandering, and making a white character a minority to compensate. If you downplay the mystic Mortal Kombat aspects from the Immortal Iron Fist run, you take away a lot of the modern flavor the character was given by Brubaker and Fraction. If you ignore everything and just play it straight and make the Immortal Iron Fist series all the fans want, you run the risk of being more expensive than all the other Netflix Marvel shows while appearing to be completely insensitive. Especially if it looks like they're casting a bunch of Asians in the cast just to be trashed by the great White savior. It's a huge lose-lose scenario.
That said, Iron Fist as a series IS a tough nut to crack. It's not really as simple as doing whatever the comics did, because I think this thread itself is a good example, just go back the weeks and months, and you'll see the Iron Fist argument pop up again and again. I've talked about it quite a bit too, and I do believe that there is a huge disconnect between a) what Iron Fist is, b) what the average person will see Iron Fist as, c) what Netflix signed up for with the Marvel deal, and d) what talented people want to do in the comic book TV/movie space today.
There's nothing inherently wrong with what Iron Fist is, and by itself it is not hard to make a good adaptation of it if you can ignore all other factors. But that's not how the world works, and that's definitely not how multi million dollar deals work in entertainment today.
- Netflix signed up for a series of what they perceived as more grounded and grittier street level stories which weren't about saving the world or fighting giant monsters and robot armies
- The big comic book adaptations today, especially from Marvel, are extremely progressive and are hence sensitive and aware of audience expectations regarding diversity and racial archetypes
- Iron Fist is a comic about a privileged white American teen with blond hair and blue eyes, who inherited a multi-billion dollar industrial company from his father, and grew up in a mystic quasi-Asian hidden world where he bested all the natives at their own martial arts and earned the title and powers of Iron Fist after beating a dragon in a cave barehanded
The nut that needs to be cracked here is not "how do we make a good TV show out of Iron Fist", but rather "how does Iron Fist fit into the sort of TV shows Netflix/Marvel and potential Netflix/Marvel collaborators want to make". If you change Danny to an Asian, you're just pandering, and making a white character a minority to compensate. If you downplay the mystic Mortal Kombat aspects from the Immortal Iron Fist run, you take away a lot of the modern flavor the character was given by Brubaker and Fraction. If you ignore everything and just play it straight and make the Immortal Iron Fist series all the fans want, you run the risk of being more expensive than all the other Netflix Marvel shows while appearing to be completely insensitive. Especially if it looks like they're casting a bunch of Asians in the cast just to be trashed by the great White savior. It's a huge lose-lose scenario.
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I can see where you are coming from, but I still think Iron Fist could be successful if you ctrl+C, Ctrl +v Matt Fraction.
Who knows what Netflix wanted, they all seem to be dark and gritty but Jessica Jones and Iron Fist could offer a different change of pace to DD and Luke Cage
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Sounds like MK, meets season 1 of Arrow.
True.
Well, if this was a Marvel show on The CW, I think it would have no problems getting made!
Shit I think you lose out on a lot of context, chemistry, and character if you race bend Danny.
A zen surfer rich white kid and a streetwise black dude was a hell of a duo back when they were teamed up and part of the reason they they been together so long.
Hell Luke having to explain the difference between being black in America to Danny could be a great story in itself/.
If done right
A zen surfer rich white kid and a streetwise black dude was a hell of a duo back when they were teamed up and part of the reason they they been together so long.
Hell Luke having to explain the difference between being black in America to Danny could be a great story in itself/.
If done right
my name is ed
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cant wait for the millionth
'pow boom whack
comics are for just kids anymore!'
headline somewhere
DonasaurusRex
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for what, he's the odd man out among the immortal weapons.
eastx
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You really don't, but that sort of thing gets brought up in any race-bending discussion. It's the same stuff any writer has to think about for a few seconds before making any kind of change to a character or story in the adaptation process.
He barely even has his own comics.
Most of his solo stuff from back in the days are trash (before Brubaker).
Father_Brain
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Very positive new Jessica Jones review from MTV:
http://www.mtv.com/news/2356176/jessica-jones-spoiler-free-review/
http://www.mtv.com/news/2356176/jessica-jones-spoiler-free-review/
WyndhamPrice
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I can vouch for all of this. The Hellcat stuff is especially great.
Also this is definitely the most sexy/sexual in a "real adults having relationships" sense production that Marvel has had to date. None of it is pandering or tasteless - it's just how people are.
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