June sounds about right if Daredevil stays in late April. Though I could see Iron Fist being a Holiday 2016 or Janurary 2017 release.
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Marvel going street level w/ Netflix (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist)
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Maybe July. We won't really know for sure until they finish shooting, but so far both Daredevil and Jessica Jones have indicated that they're working on about 6 months of shooting per season, and that season gets released about 4 months after shooting is done. So if Luke Cage just started, and it wraps around March next year, it should be released in July.
No point speculating on Iron Fist at all right now. They have no showrunner, no scripts, no casting, nothing. It seems the rumors that Marvel is having a harder time getting it off the ground might be accurate.
HIGH DEF JEFF
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I don't think we have a Luke Cage production thread yet, but here are some set pics from that show:
Is that Burrell from The Wire aka Coconut Sid channeling Da' Mayor??
WanderingWind
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I said it before and I'm looking more and more right. Iron Fist isn't an easy sell politically for Marvel/Disney. Why would they even realistically take the chance at generating a metric ton of negative publicity when they're currently in Midas mode? If it gets off the ground at all I'll be slightly surprised. If it sticks to the comics, I'll be even more surprised. If both of those things happen and it doesn't generate a shitstorm, well, I'll just be a monkey's uncle.
I don't even think the racial element is the main reason why they're having such a hard time with Iron Fist. I always felt that aside from that, the tougher issue would be how they balance approaching the show between the more hard boiled street level grounded type stories they're telling with Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage, with the desire to go all out Mortal Kombat fantasy with Iron Fist. I think a lot of people would prefer the latter, but it would clash heavily with the tone of the rest of the shows in the same product line.
Iron Fist isn't due out until late 2016 at the earliest, right? What are the odds that they push it back to early 2017 while Doctor Strange establishes the more "occult" side of the Marvel Universe?
razzmahtazz
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Maybe they can do it just like Mortal Kombat. Start kinda like Enter the Dragon then slowly introduce the Fantasy elements.
Jest Chillin
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If they've done this right.. they'll have introduced enough in the primer show.. and especially DD Season 2, to prevent a shock with the more fantastical elements. As far as the racial element.. they just need to make sure they're not tonedeaf. It can be done, even if it's not an easy feat.
MCU and MCTVU, while connected, aren't great at bridging to each other. MCTVU-Netflix is a whole other ballgame tbh.
This... is a decent approach for the non-grounded aspects.
I don't think it's so much about a "shock" of having fantastical elements. That's not a problem at all. The problem that I suspect is that the Netflix Marvel branding is being sold as a series of grounded "street level" heroes dealing with crime and corruption. Everyman stuff, flavored with superhero powers. So if they just did something like Immortal Iron Fist with full Mortal Kombat fantasy set in Kun-Lun, that will have a totally different tone from that rest of the brand.
Jest Chillin
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I don't disagree.. but I think that the Street Level, Grounded, etc.. aspect can be... let's say steered into the fantastic elements of Iron Fist. And I think that's what the plan was/is. The larger problem is finding a way from DD, Alias, and Luke Cage INTO what's going to not only be fantastical but sensitive content that can easily be offensive.
razzmahtazz
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Definitely agree with you. They can just go full Kung-fu tv movie and flavor it with magical stuff like DD with his powers. Then do the grounded version of a haduken from the Street Fighter movie like what Gao did for any special powers.
Hopefully they don't save the full blossom of his powers for the last 10 minutes like DD though.
Spikematic
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I'm not that fixated on this so-called 'grounded' terminology. They don't HAVE to stick to their original plans. A show based around a rich white kid getting stranded in a mythical land where he undergoes training and earns cool powers sounds freaking awesome. The show could just focus on that and then towards the end of the season integrate him back into New York so he can meet up with the rest of the crew to get ready for The Defenders. So we can get our 'grounded' fix from the other three shows and just plain kung fu fun with Iron Fist. And then The Defenders can mix it up a bit!
Why did they choose Iron Fist as part of their Street-Level line-up? Wouldn't they predicted this possible problem from the get-go?
You would think it was an odd choice. But really Daredevil has always been the odd duck in this group. I'm not expecting a second season of either Cage, Iron Fist, or JJ. They'll likely be rolled into a Heroes for Hire show to make room for a Punisher series.
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I think it makes sense on a conceptual level because when you think of heroes rather than actual stories, Iron Fist has always been Luke Cage's best buddy and a big part of street level Marvel stories. But when it comes down to making an entire series around Iron Fist and doing it well, it gets harder. They need to find someone who can do it right, and that might be harder than it seems. How many successful modern day kung fu TV shows have there been in the last decade for example?
peanutbutterlatte
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If Iron Man and Thor can team up I don't see why Iron Fist would clash with The Defenders honestly. They need some flavour in that line-up, Luke Cage and Jess have very generic powers.
Change in setting for his series would be welcome too, the MCU Netflix shows being exclusively in Hell's Kitchen could get a little old.
Change in setting for his series would be welcome too, the MCU Netflix shows being exclusively in Hell's Kitchen could get a little old.
I wouldn't call Gao "established." It's more like we, as an audience, are acquainted with her. (And the more hardcore among us may see her as foreshadowing for the mystical martial arts that are a part of Iron Fist's world.)
Chiaroscuro
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JJ teaser specifically mentions Hells Kitchen.
Hours Left
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I see Luke gets his shirts the same place Mack does.I don't think we have a Luke Cage production thread yet, but here are some set pics from that show:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/colter-chills-at-the-barbershop-in-luke-cage-set-pics
I approve.
Father_Brain
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I suspect this is the case, but...
First of all, if Marvel wasn't comfortable doing a series with such heavy mystical elements, maybe they should have thought of that before including the character in the 60-episode Netflix package.
Secondly, if it ends up being very different tonally from the first three Netflix series, I fail to see how that's such a terrible thing.
Oh, I didn't mean a direct connection. Daredevil is 'established' by Avengers mostly through conversation, newspaper clippings, etc., setting up a world in which costumed heroes run around. I feel like Iron Fist could be established by Doctor Strange the same way; people talking about the events of the film and the introduction of fantastical elements as part of the background noise and the reality of their world. You never see any of them, but when Owlsley talks about their profits going up whenever they appear, that feels like something a less-than-reputable businessman would actually say in the face of that situation. It grounds something utterly fantastical, and I feel like if they can do it with the Avengers, mystic / magic elements like Iron Fist aren't that much of a stretch beyond that... maybe.
After seeing how rough Agents of Shield inter-played with Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron, a direct connection is... yeah...
Yeah, I get what you mean. Without containing the Kun-Lun elements in flashbacks and such, it's going to be a hard sell. The episodic nature would make it hard to pull off something like Batman Begins where the first half of the movie is essentially an extended training montage.
I dunno. I also worry that the Grounded / "Street Level" thing is going to get old after three series (and two seasons of Daredevil), so maybe a little more fantastical approach would be a breath of fresh air. That's not to say Daredevil / JJ / Luke Cage are going to be tonally identical, but I think everyone at this point kind of knows they're going to be similar.
We'll see. I would have totally laughed at making a character like Iron Fist into a series before Daredevil, but after that I'm okay seeing where this goes. I actually put Daredevil ahead of a lot of the MCU movies.
Cheo Hodari Coker is executive producer and showrunner.
Father_Brain
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No point in even speculating until they announce a showrunner, at the very least. Hopefully that'll happen at NYCC, but it could be a while longer if the rumors are true.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I love this so much
Can't wait for The Punisher
eastx
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Could this mean that his outfit will be all red in Season 2? That would be an improvement over all the black parts.
Beastdrowski
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Oh man! Didn't even notice. Looks awesome.
HP_Wuvcraft
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February? I mean, honestly, where would this fit in the current schedule?
I thought it was April like season 1.
Probably April, like Season. And then Luke Cage after that.
From the Daredevil thread:
It really seems like the suit is gonna be all read next season. Though still with the armor and no DD logo.
I'm not sure if this is new, but if it is, there's more teasing of the new costume by way of the NY Comic Con ...
A Facebook friend of mine took this photo at the con:
That leads you to this website, of course: http://www.nelsonandmurdocklaw.com/
Pretty barebones, although there's a link there to "Download our Guide," which is a one-page PDF of some neat watercolor artwork of Murdock in the suit: http://www.nelsonandmurdocklaw.com/assets/daredevil_mack.pdf
It really seems like the suit is gonna be all read next season. Though still with the armor and no DD logo.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/10...n-fist-thunderbolts-and-the-marvel-civil-war/
Some crazy rumors about Iron Fist:
Iron Fist being retooled as Shang-Chi? That's crazy if true.
Some crazy rumors about Iron Fist:
Iron Fist being retooled as Shang-Chi? That's crazy if true.
It sounds like that's not even the biggest issue.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I find this really hard to believe. Marco Polo and Into The Badlands are some pretty high profile martial arts shows, and I'm pretty sure the budget on those is not extravagant.
I find it hard to believe they can't crack it.
Hire me, Marvel. I'll crack it.
So if BC is right then that means that:
A) One of the ABC shows was kinda similar to Thunderbolts
B) Iron Fist is either getting replaced with a Shang-Chi or Punisher series
C) Pearlmutter's the one that's been forcing Marvel to shill the Inhumans & downplay the X-Men and Fantastic Four.
A) One of the ABC shows was kinda similar to Thunderbolts
B) Iron Fist is either getting replaced with a Shang-Chi or Punisher series
C) Pearlmutter's the one that's been forcing Marvel to shill the Inhumans & downplay the X-Men and Fantastic Four.
shaowebb
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For fucks sake god dammit shitting hell fucking fuck!
CANT ANYTHING FOR IRONFIST EVER WORK OUT WELL?!
Bad in UMVC3, Gets a new comic that sucks and has next to no real character development since Immortal Iron Fist on any comic he's in and now his show is something that is too hard to budget any pitches for to keep his gimmick interesting so he may get replaced. Dammit man when will this concept ever get the treatment it needs. He's a good idea for a character that never gets anyone who can handle him! They can't figure out whether he's a batman style martial arts comic or a powered style super hero comic. Is he street? Is he fighting magic monsters? Who does he play off of? Does he have villains? No one ever works with this shit right.
Fuck...salty as hell. My favorite dude just can't catch a break.
CANT ANYTHING FOR IRONFIST EVER WORK OUT WELL?!
Bad in UMVC3, Gets a new comic that sucks and has next to no real character development since Immortal Iron Fist on any comic he's in and now his show is something that is too hard to budget any pitches for to keep his gimmick interesting so he may get replaced. Dammit man when will this concept ever get the treatment it needs. He's a good idea for a character that never gets anyone who can handle him! They can't figure out whether he's a batman style martial arts comic or a powered style super hero comic. Is he street? Is he fighting magic monsters? Who does he play off of? Does he have villains? No one ever works with this shit right.
Fuck...salty as hell. My favorite dude just can't catch a break.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I'd kill for a Punisher series.
Really, Iron Fist should just basically be a gritty adult Karate Kid. Mr Miyagi is a take-no-fools sorta teacher. The Karate Kid is a rich douche who's broken down and humbled through training through hell and his experiences in K'un-L'un. The martial arts don't need to be super fancy, combine Hong Kong film-style graceful kung-fu with the pacing and brutality of The Raid.
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Do some Mortal Kombat shit where Danny is only capable of using magic near the end
Really, Iron Fist should just basically be a gritty adult Karate Kid. Mr Miyagi is a take-no-fools sorta teacher. The Karate Kid is a rich douche who's broken down and humbled through training through hell and his experiences in K'un-L'un. The martial arts don't need to be super fancy, combine Hong Kong film-style graceful kung-fu with the pacing and brutality of The Raid.
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Do some Mortal Kombat shit where Danny is only capable of using magic near the end
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