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Marvel Heroes 2015 |OT2| I have, like, a Gazillion heroes
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ThirtyFour
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Think he's currently scheduled to come at the end of the year. I guess he could be moved up but it's doubtful.
You should be happy though, at least he's been confirmed and is coming soon. I can't even get any info on a costume I want that should have been in at release, never mind a full hero.
Frostinferno
Member
He was confirmed months ago to be released in the second half of the year. There were hints he might even be the last hero released.
shaowebb
Member
So lonely without Iron Fist. Just not a game...
Ploid 3.0
Member
After She Hulk Combo system Cage, I'd want them to think long and hard about making Iron Fist awesome. Imagine if they got him out the door just to get him out the door. Slap Dare Devil mechanics on him and you end up hoping they make him less squishy and do ok damage without locked frames that get interrupted by a thrown pebble.
If like me you plan to devote yourself completely to an unreleased character, there's still a million things to do in game to prepare your account to truly glorify that character. Gear, omegas, pets, synergies...
I'm pretty sure Iron Fist will be exactly like Daredevil. Maybe with summons like Luke Cage
I'd be fine with that, because I like combo point classes in RPGs. Why do all of yall hate them???
Except that it's not the case with a well geared group. Yeah, people might die every now and then but it takes a few seconds to get back up to the bosses and go back into faceroll mode. It doesn't matter if you die (if you're not terribly undergeared and die every 5 seconds). Sure you have to avoid the big indicators (if possible in all the mess of effects) but I think just cranking up the damage and health in all modes is not a good way to go. Even if you spec a more defensive char, all that means is you'll take even longer to take down the bosses and it seems like the rewards aren't all that. In the end I take down cosmic terminal bosses way faster and there I can concentrate on the one I want to farm. Again, the only ones it might be worth it for are the one shot boss artifacts. I just don't see how those modes are fun.
Well then the issue is there's no death penalty in MH. Not really that there's something wrong with cosmic Midtown
From what I recall of original Diablo 3 Inferno, players would actively try to avoid death which definitely changes how you play and your mentality. (I believe at launch there was a hefty hit to item durability, so constantly dying in Inferno actually meant you would lose a ton of money)
There's been a longstanding discussion about if MH should have meaningful death penalties. I've always been on the side of yes. But I come from playing Everquest 1 where you could literally lose everything if you die and don't retrieve your corpse
cutmeamango
Banned
Agreed with Moondrop. I took Cyclops, Silver Surfer, Nova and Dr. Strange through MM and none had invunerability cores or are post-red raid geared. Had fun and didn't die a lot (expect with Nova, mainly because he's a melee that gets stuck a lot) even if I get hit with 500ms+ latency there.
Even killed a Batroc alone, took a sweet time though, some ICP bosses have a loooot of health. Powers felt useful. Vortexes, didn't one shot so I was applying them with care, doing crashdowns only after they got pulled and stunning major area hits like Mags' doom-dome.
People can certainly re-adapt to this "too game-like" playstyle, but there's quite a sizeable amount of complaints in the forum so it's a bit sad.
Declarius said "it's still Midtown" in the chat, and with that I agree, but dunno if for the same reasons. The goals of Midttown are paperthin so it's just a purposeless fast repetition/rotation. It's a hard situation to fix when fast reward is the must-have goal, but they at least tried with ICP.
But yeah, this is a loot machine sim.
I don't think Iron Fist will be a combo hero.
Cosmic MM is easy as shit, it may make people slot 1 of their dps oriented artifacts as something with health, but not much more than that. CC spells are still worthless due to the diminishing returns and weaken is probably in the regular kit of at least one hero in the zone.
The worst thing about cosmic midtown is that it is midtown. It is a never ending mode where you just wander around killing the same bosses over and over and standing there waiting doing nothing when someone who doesn't drop anything isn't up.
There's also the problem of 99% of the players in this game being just fucking terrible. They scale up the bosses making it unpredictable. Sometimes I can face tank manapes spears and leap, sometimes I can't. It depends how many idiots are near just standing there basic attacking because they get the same loot as everyone else.
There's also a lot of animation issues where they are delayed or the bosses slide across the ground, not seeing man apes leap etc. Or man apes spear indicator just staying there after he throws one.
When they add private midtown instances, this might be enjoyable once in a while. Until then I'm still waiting for Danger Room when it comes to challenge.
I find it strange that you bring this up yet do the easiest content in the game a million times (legendary quests).
Also the death penalty in cosmic midtown is having to dash across that piece of shit if you die (and aren't in a party).
Cosmic MM is easy as shit, it may make people slot 1 of their dps oriented artifacts as something with health, but not much more than that. CC spells are still worthless due to the diminishing returns and weaken is probably in the regular kit of at least one hero in the zone.
The worst thing about cosmic midtown is that it is midtown. It is a never ending mode where you just wander around killing the same bosses over and over and standing there waiting doing nothing when someone who doesn't drop anything isn't up.
There's also the problem of 99% of the players in this game being just fucking terrible. They scale up the bosses making it unpredictable. Sometimes I can face tank manapes spears and leap, sometimes I can't. It depends how many idiots are near just standing there basic attacking because they get the same loot as everyone else.
There's also a lot of animation issues where they are delayed or the bosses slide across the ground, not seeing man apes leap etc. Or man apes spear indicator just staying there after he throws one.
When they add private midtown instances, this might be enjoyable once in a while. Until then I'm still waiting for Danger Room when it comes to challenge.
I find it strange that you bring this up yet do the easiest content in the game a million times (legendary quests).
Also the death penalty in cosmic midtown is having to dash across that piece of shit if you die (and aren't in a party).
Well this is the thing, I have no doubt cosmic Midtown is easy for your character. But I saw plenty of players die in it during the couple hours I played yesterday
this is true, that's because leveling characters is the most fun activity to me in MH. well let me re-phrase, I much prefer leveling as an activity vs farming (neither one has anything to do with difficulty, it's just personal preference on activity type)
I actually love the current red raid when there's no bugs, it's just that I can never find groups for it
Right but that's no death penalty in other words. I'm talking major XP loss or major gold loss or EQ1 style
Sure it is. The game is about farming items efficiently, that is a waste of time. There is even the potential for you to not get loot if you die at a bad time during the fight.
What exactly are you hoping for? Armor durability? Losing your items makes no sense. XP loss sure, but I'm omega capped, I don't even pick up xp orbs.
xrayregime
Member
Omega point loss!
cutmeamango
Banned
Yeah leveling (and globetrotting for LQs) is way more fun to me than facenumbing yourself to death with cosmic Taskmaster. I farmed omegas this weekend and had to constantly change characters/terminals to keep sane.
Executing stuff right (and dying when not) is the part I care about the game, having the best numbers possible is not. Because with the second, if you take to long to get something, you get bored and leave, so the way to fix it is to make that 'fix' quicker.
So in that state, if they added any meaningful penalty or risk, it would probably scare away their investing base, because one year in, it's clear they are in for the loot number in the long haul.
One suggestion would be a logarithmic scale reducing your stats for one hour or so in some modes. They had (have?) XP decrease on death already.
Die once: 1% stat decrease, twice: 3%, thrice: 9% and so on.
That would "force" changing characters as well.
ThirtyFour
Member
Could it not just be an alternate universe version of them since this game is based on the multiverse?
I suggested that once and then someone disagreed I think I don't remember.
But I would guess a lot of MH players, if not majority of the entire casual player base, do not play the game for max efficiency farming. So they wouldn't care about the time of running back. Even for me who plays much more than the average casual player, I do not care if I happen to miss a boss in Midtown
As for death penalty ideas, I'm too lazy to type up a long analysis so how about a very simple example. What about launch Diablo 3 Inferno?? You lose a ton of money if you constantly die and won't be able to repair/use your gear. So it's not that you permanently lose your gear like EQ1, that would be too hardcore for players nowdays. But definitely still a stiff penalty which makes you avoid dying as much as possible
Yeah same with me. I literally cannot farm the same identical terminal boss for more than like 15 minutes without starting to go krazy and very irritated
ThirtyFour
Member
It certainly makes sense even if it is a bit depressing. Just think how many times people will have died so far during this games lifespan.
That's a lot of dead heroes right there.
Red Arremer
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lmao I love how you constantly make these drive-by posts every other month, but never really check back to see the answers.
Affeinvasion
Member
You sweet summer child, you.
Frostinferno
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Nice model but there's no way that's a hero release
Seriously. Would be baller though.
Frostinferno
Member
It should also be noted that
the six infinity gems as items have also been found.
There's no way that is a full release. Hell, I'm so convinced that it's not, if it is, I'll let you buy him for me Frost
Red Arremer
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Wasn't
Also, looking at the text of the article with the datamining, the
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That said, it might not be a release right now. Perhaps that's just some groundwork to introduce stuff later on?
Doom kept prisoner by him?
Also, looking at the text of the article with the datamining, the
infinity gems are apparently items that go into his costume
That said, it might not be a release right now. Perhaps that's just some groundwork to introduce stuff later on?
Frostinferno
Member
Or maybe they just put it in there for fun so that it would be datamined and we would all fall for it thinking it's actually something. Blizzard level trolls here.
Red Arremer
Member
In true April Fools spirit. Would be a huge shame tho.
Yes. While he has an unhealthy obsession with Death (as in, the entity Death), he has worked on the good side before.
He has been part of Adam Warlock's Infinity Watch, and he also has infiltrated the Annihilation Wave by pretending to be their ally, while trying to destroy them from within. Drax however took him out before he could succeed stopping Annihilus.
ok got it, might be kool then
Frostinferno
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Pack it up. This is an April Fool's joke from the dataminers themselves. Here's the picture they used for the model - https://i.imgur.com/qC8zSpR.jpg
Red Arremer
Member
lmao so rude.
HAHA
Hilarious, well played you crazy commie shitlords.
Didn't they mention that story reasons were going to keep playable Thanos delayed for a couple more years anyway? He'll be cool when he launches, but he needs to be a boss battle first.
Affeinvasion
Member
I still want a Howard the duck and manthing enhanced costume for rocket raccoon.
Affeinvasion
Member
Just like everything else April 1st happens a week later for Gaz.
Red Arremer
Member
Why the hell would you make Man-Thing a costume for Rocket Raccoon?
Affeinvasion
Member
Man-Thing would be Howard's Groot.
now this is funny as heck!
Frostinferno
Member
Oh Gaz, you sonuva gun.
