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Marvel Movie Bomb '06: Ghost Rider!

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Macam

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IGN posted an on-set interview with the writer of the movie (who also wrote the exquisite Elektra), and after sifting through it, it pretty much confirms what I think we all expect: This movie is going to suck. Hard. And it has Nicholas Cage, who's well on his way to becoming the next John Travolta, only not quite as revered or adored. This may very well be the Fantastic Four of next year. Here are a few excerpts:

Q: How much of the script has changed since shooting began?

JOHNSON: The script is always in flux – I'm always making changes. It's changed the least of anything I've ever worked on, which is great. It was a tough one to crack up front, but once I felt like I did then it all flowed really nicely. What was really hard was just the concept up front, which is very rare. Usually the concept is the strongest part of the comic, and in this one the idea is great, the character is amazing and there's some great story lines, but... the fact that the devil made a deal with Johnny and gave him all these powers and Johnny took those powers to go fight the devil never quite added up. And everybody over the years kept trying to solve that and change that, so it's kind of actually a faulty concept in a weird way, and that's something that took me many months to finally crack it. And I came up with the idea of [Ghost Rider being] the devil's bounty hunter, that there are rules [for] heaven and hell on earth. The idea is that Mephistopheles has to find the best rider in the world to become his Ghost Rider. That made sense to me, he has to give him this power because he works for him. Then I got it – then everything from there flowed – but at first it was tough.

Q: Other collaborators mentioned this film is heavily influenced by Westerns.

JOHNSON: Yeah, totally. There's been really two versions of the Danny Ketch and the Johnny Blaze story lines in the comics. Danny, I know, was [set in] New York, and I had to make a choice of setting it in New York City or setting it somewhere else – and again trying to diverse yourself from all the other comic book movies, Hell's Kitchen [with Daredevil] or Spider-Man and all these other movies that are in New York City. That was a great opportunity to say, 'we'll take it out and make something really different'. I always wanted to make a western and because of the rider I just thought it was a great opportunity, so the idea was to come up with a supernatural western, which I've never seen. I thought it was a cool idea. So it took me away from New York City, it took me away from the superhero vibe and just take it out into the deserts and take it to Texas. And we don't even name the city – we never say Dallas or Houston or anything like that. We just say it's a big city in Texas and we make it a cowboy movie; in a way, we make it a real western – it's like a Sergio Leone movie with a Hammer [horror] film, is what I keep thinking (laughs). If you slam them together you say, 'that's pretty cool – I'd see that.' That's really different, and Nic (Cage) and I will always laugh about it cause we always do things at the end of the day and say, "What do we do different." What's really different about it even if it's not good. (Laughs) And we don't use it but at least we tried something, but that is the vibe of the movie. It does feel that way it has this kind of darkness but also this kind of really…it feels like a painting a lot of times. It looks like a comic book panel in the best sense of the word I think, its got that feel to it.

Q: How intense is the action in Ghost Rider?

JOHNSON: There is a lot of intensity and there is violence. It's not a splatter movie, and I'm not demeaning that cause I like them a lot, but it's not a movie where we're going to see how much gore we can put into the film. That's not what its about. The themes are inherently dark – selling your soul to the devil, fighting demons – and all this kind of stuff is inherently dark, but that's also balanced. There is some humor to the movie, there is a love story in the movie, and hopefully we'll have both.

A love story? In Ghost Rider?

The full interview can be found here: http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/620/620262p1.html
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
let's concentrate on Marvel Movie Bomb '05 first, ok?? :p

Though I have to admit, I want to hate Fantastic Four so much based on it seeming like they have made ALL the wrong decisions with it, but every time I see trailer two, I just get as giddy as the 12 year old who read his first issue of John Byrne's run.. well, maybe not that giddy, but pretty damn giddy.

I am just chilling out on the Marvel haterade until the movies come out.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Willco said:
Marvel doesn't have a quality movie coming out in their pipeline until 2007.
edit - forgot it was willco.. nm :p

eh.. I don't believe

a) Spider-Man franchise will be the only source of good movies from marvel from now on
b) that Raimi will keep knocking them out of the park with spider-man (especially if it really is six)

only time will tell on either though
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
a) Regardless, Marvel doesn't have anyone with talent attached their films save for Raimi's last Spidey flick
b) Raimi would never do six Spider-Man films. This one is it, unless Tobey decides to do another and I highly doubt it.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
I haven't followed the FF movie closely, what questionable decisions have they made? Like y'all said, that second trailer was very good.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Guileless said:
I haven't followed the FF movie closely, what questionable decisions have they made? Like y'all said, that second trailer was very good.

I heard they went in and filmed more scenes in reaction to The Incredibles, and at anytime a production feels to compete with another film, it's not good.

For comic purists, there are a bunch of problems. Doom was never with the Fantastic Four, but this is an alteration obviously derived from the Ultimate Fantastic Four series, or should I say vice-versa? Doom also never had organic metal skin. Reed looks a bit too young and Johnny doesn't have blond hair. Thing is not the right height. Some of it is comic book nerd nitpicking, but I feel the origins of Doom is a bit of an unnecessary change.

The truth is, I feel they've nailed the character of Johnny in the trailers and so far, that's all I've seen the film do really good. It looks like it's going to be downright cheesy in places and maybe just alright overall. I get a X-Men vibe from this film, which was a film plagued with production problems and deemed crap by fans before it hit, only to be released to have moderate box office success (and acknowledged to be a decent flick by many).
 

ToxicAdam

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FF is going to be garbage. In fact, I will say that Daredevil will end up being a better movie.



This Ghost Rider movie should have never made it out of pre-production.

It's like anything in Hollywood ... good things (comic book movies in this case) end up going to shit.
 
borghe said:
Though I have to admit, I want to hate Fantastic Four so much based on it seeming like they have made ALL the wrong decisions with it, but every time I see trailer two, I just get as giddy as the 12 year old who read his first issue of John Byrne's run.. well, maybe not that giddy, but pretty damn giddy.

Yeah, at the first trailer, I thought it looked pretty daft and bad, but the most recent one I saw (before Star Wars Ep. III, I think) had some excellent moments. I thought whoever played Johnny nailed that "Flame On!" moment perfectly. (Or maybe it was just edited well into the trailer.)
 

acoustix

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For some reason Im exited about FF. Probably just cause my wannabe wife, Alba is in it. And from the previews at least, they seemed to have nailed Johnny Storm.

Ghost Rider was doomed from the start. I soooo wanted this movie to kick butt, ah well. My last hope is the Wolverine movie, theres so much awesome storyline to draw from, Itd be almost impossible for them to fuck it up....oh wait.
 

Meier

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The new Fantastic Four trailer was pretty good.. I actually am planning on seeing it now depending on reviews. If it gets completely panned I'll pass, but if it gets mostly average I think I'll give it a go. If nothing else, I owe them my money for using oasis' Fuckin in the Bushes in the trailer!
 

Macam

Banned
What won't happen in the Ghost Rider movie:

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acoustix

Member
Macam said:
What won't happen in the Ghost Rider movie:

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Yeah, too bad. Jim Lee can f'n draw.

Brings back memories of the Marvel Comics Presents stuff that had Wolverine on one side and Ghost Rider on the other. Sam Kieth + Peter David=bad ass shyte.
 

Triumph

Banned
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FUCK YOU MARVEL, YOU'RE RAPING MY FAVORITE COMIC CHARACTER

*CRIES*(but in a manly way)
 

Macam

Banned
A quick Google image search yielded this teaser poster, apparently from Cannes:

ghostriderpostercannes_cbm.jpg


And I may as well include the other shots so far:

ghostrider_nicCage.jpg

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android

Theoretical Magician
With Batman Beyond, Superman Returns and Joss Whedon handling Wonder Woman, DC seems to be making all the right choices now.
 

Shinobi

Member
Not to piss in anyone's flower pot, but how hard is it to nail Johnny Storm's character? Half the movies that have been made in the last ten years have a variant of that twenty something smart ass, so big deal.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Macam said:
What won't happen in the Ghost Rider movie:

9.jpg
lol.. I see you found the cover of a 90's Marvel Comic.

"This Marvel Comic is guest starring Wolverine/Spider-Man/Ghost Rider, either some combination or all three." Though better than DC of the day. "This DC Comic will be guest starring Lobo. Yup, just Lobo. We realize we have plenty of other great characters in our universe but we haven't hit our Lobo quotient of 20 books for the month, despite his own 16 books, so we need some extra places for him to pop up."


android said:
With Batman Beyond, Superman Returns and Joss Whedon handling Wonder Woman, DC seems to be making all the right choices now.
I'm assuming you mean Batman Begins. :p :\ :( But yeah, DC is definitely heading in the right direction that seemed to at least start a bit with Constantine (which while not great was still better than any movie DC has put out since Batman Returns). Hopefully they can keep it going for a while and avoid what plagues Marvel (property above talent).

I also love the new DC intro that premiered before the 10 minute Batman preview on Smallville, though I would change it to have a few more comic panels in it.. it's ok for people who are DC fans, but I don't know if the average movie goer is going to associate that intro with comics.
 
But yeah, DC is definitely heading in the right direction that seemed to at least start a bit with Constantine....

You wouldn't be saying this if you actually read Hellblazer. ;)

Wide of the mark is being generous when describing that movie.
 
Willco said:
b) Raimi would never do six Spider-Man films. This one is it, unless Tobey decides to do another and I highly doubt it.

Actually he recently said he's interested. The new rumor floating around is that 3 and 4 are being shot simultaniously. may have been debunked, dunno.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
citrus lump said:
Actually he recently said he's interested.

He never said that. He said Sony Pictures is planning to do six and he knows they'll do six, but he'd only do six if he feels as strongly about them as he does with the third installment. And he said it in a somewhat joking manner. Everyone knows as soon as Tobey goes, Raimi goes, though.

The new rumor floating around is that 3 and 4 are being shot simultaniously. may have been debunked, dunno.

Not been debunked because it's just a rumor with not much basis. It'd be cool and I've heard it's an idea they've been tinkering with, but the fact that Tobey hates doing the Spider-Man films is probably the reason why that won't happen.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
borghe said:
lol.. I see you found the cover of a 90's Marvel Comic.
"This Marvel Comic is guest starring Wolverine/Spider-Man/Ghost Rider, either some combination or all three."

The apotheosis of the form, by Art Adams:
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I heard today that Nick Cage, who was Nick Coppola, changed his name to Cage in honor of Luke Cage. That's something I guess, but I can't remember the last movie he was in that was any good. Not going to hold my breath.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
He was just barely in it, I don't even remember if he had any lines. You also have to give Cage credit for Raising Arizona, which is a classic.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
The Take Out Bandit said:
You wouldn't be saying this if you actually read Hellblazer. ;)

Wide of the mark is being generous when describing that movie.
lol.. I've been reading Hellblazer since issue 1. Literally (actually all "vertigo" books since their number one releases except for swamp thing which I think I started in the 40's or 50's).

I said "started to at least a little bit." Was Hellblazer faithful to any version of the book? hell no!!! but was it a lot less of a worthless fucking piece of shit hanging from my ass than say LOEG, Catwoman, Batman and Robin, and Batman Forever combined? Without question.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Willco said:
I heard Constantine was fun.
Constantine was a fun movie that had very little in common with the comic. This is all I was saying. I feel that this is a step in the right direction compared to the above mentioned DC releases which were not at all entertaining AND had nothing to do with the sources. I am something of an anamoly of a comic fan. I am a hardcore comic book fan who really doesn't care how close the movies stay to the comic as long as they are well made and fun to watch. Faithfulness to the source material is merely an always welcome bonus.
 
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