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[J-Tier]

I, and I'd argue most other people, don't consider Jessica to be part of the Spider family, despite her name. She's about as much part of the Spider-Man franchise as Black Widow is. In fact, Black Widow is more of a Spider-Man character than Spider-Woman, since in her early days as Soviet spy, she fought Spidey a few times.

I think one of the reasons why Spider-Woman doesn't get a lot of attention is partially because she is very difficult to realize as a playable character. While she has flight and strength and her venom blasts (which are basically stun rays), her main power is her pheromones with which she can affect her opponents' behaviour.
For stuff like fighting games, this is kind of hard to turn into something workable.

In RPGs it's easier to do (cause there you can have charm or fear effects, and stun is a more viable mechanic).

I should've put Spider-Family in quotes. However, both you and I know that if a Spider-Family character does get in alongside Spidey, then Jess has zero chance (though it's already pretty close to zero tbh).

In terms of her relationship with the Spider-Family, she's pretty close--having been involved with Spider-Verse and teaming up with Spider-Gwen and Silk in the Spider-Women mini-arc.

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I don't think her lack of attention/popularity has anything to do with how hard she would be to translate into a fighting game lol. It's just a case of the character's history, time of creation, etc.

I can't really speak for a fighting game designer whether or not she would be difficult to design. However, I think flight and venom blasts are pretty vanilla, and the pheromones could be limited to supers, or could be a forced zombie walk type ability like from MK or Injustice.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

I wish Marvel would push Spectrum for MCU so I can have reasonable hope.

 

[Red Arremer]

I wish Marvel would push Spectrum for MCU so I can have reasonable hope.

Monica Rambeau is one of my all-time favourite Marvel characters.
Her, Captain Britain and Cloak & Dagger are my top 3 most wanted (since Dr. Strange is gonna be in anyway).

In terms of her relationship with the Spider-Family, she's pretty close--having been involved with Spider-Verse and teaming up with Spider-Gwen and Silk in the Spider-Women mini-arc.

Yeah I know that recently she'd been more involved with the actual spider family, but prior to that, there was barely any crossover. Especially since Jessica always was on the West Coast or London, while Spidey was in NY.

I don't think her lack of attention/popularity has anything to do with how hard she would be to translate into a fighting game lol. It's just a case of the character's history, time of creation, etc.

I thought you meant lack of attention within video games, and potentially MvCI in particular, sorry.

 

[BassForever]

Kamala has easily conveyable personality
BB does not

Does personality matter for a fighting game? I can see a scenario where more InHumans appear in the story mode but only BB gets a playable spot in the base roster.

It's a similar issue I have with the Guardians of the Galaxy, odds are Rocket will be back since he was playable in UMVC3 and we've heard reports of Groot. In a 2v2 fighter does any franchise get more then 2 characters in the base roster? That leaves Star Lord, Gamora, Mantis, and Drax all on the outside looking in despite them all easily being able to show up in the story mode.

 

[Xamtheking]

Does personality matter for a fighting game? I can see a scenario where more InHumans appear in the story mode but only BB gets a playable spot in the base roster.

It's a similar issue I have with the Guardians of the Galaxy, odds are Rocket will be back since he was playable in UMVC3 and we've heard reports of Groot. In a 2v2 fighter does any franchise get more then 2 characters in the base roster? That leaves Star Lord, Gamora, Mantis, and Drax all on the outside looking in despite them all easily being able to show up in the story mode.

We dont know exactly how the roster will shape up right now.
Also, BB especially would be weird as he can't actually have any voice lines in-game, lol. Characters need to have a personality to help keep the game feeling fun and replayable along with good gameplay.

 

[J-Skee]

Ask & you shall receive.

IT'S HAPPENING

 

[BassForever]

We dont know exactly how the roster will shape up right now.
Also, BB especially would be weird as he can't actually have any voice lines in-game, lol. Characters need to have a personality to help keep the game feeling fun and replayable along with good gameplay.

You're right, I'm sure we won't see any footage of someone in MVCI playable without a voice

 

[Negaduck]

IT'S HAPPENING

Yo Gambino?

 

[Neoxon]

Yo Gambino?

Miles Morales, actually.

 

[Red Arremer]

I don't think that there will be a lot of limitations in regards to the roster.
The way Marvel has been handling their recent games, and given what we know about the game and its development so far (what with Marvel being really involved in the development and how they're handling the license), this game won't go the way of prior Capcom fighters.

I fully expect the game to become a service/platform with continuous releases, and getting support for many years, especially if the community continues playing and supporting the game. Think of it like Killer Instinct or SF5. We likely will get DLC seasons where they release new batches of characters.

Marvel is aware of how dedicated the fanbase of the versus series is (that's one of the main reasons why we're even getting MvCI), and promoting this game through their own tournaments and such.

I'd be genuinely surprised if this game didn't end up with a proper massive roster. It will be bigger than any VS game before it.

 

[Sesha]

Miles seems like a likely non-villain Spider-Man rep, more so than others like Silk, Black Cat and Scarlet Spider.

I wish Anya Corazon had a chance, but it feels like I'm the only one that cares. Marvel has even left her floating between dimensions hanging out on other worlds out of sight, even whilst they're doing their whole diversity push. Before Miles, Gwen and Silk she was there. No respect, sadly. For shame.

I wish Marvel would push Spectrum for MCU so I can have reasonable hope.

They're pushing her in the comics, so that's at least something. I'm hoping for DLC. Every poll, I'm putting her on the ballot.

 

[Negaduck]

Miles Morales, actually.

Right, but wasn't Gambino going to voice miles in something animated?

Or am I thinking of the wrong spider dude?

 

[Neoxon]

Right, but wasn't Gambino going to voice miles in something animated?

Or am I thinking of the wrong spider dude?

Donald Glover only voiced Miles Morales once. He was recast for later appearances.

 

[Dahbomb]

I've come to terms that I won't get cable back. Not the cable I grew to love.

How would you solve ahvb? Make it 2 meters? Can't combo into itself?

Ahvb that can't combo into itself sounds weird (but it could have incredible new interactions in a new game)

There were a bunch of supers in Marvel 3 that could combo into themselves and no one really cared. It doesn't really matter much when LVL3 are in the game and do about the same thing for a similar cost and less execution. Linkable hypers do have the added bonus of severely punishing assists though.

Off the top of my head, linkable supers include: Sentinel's Hard Drive, Arthur's projectile super, Tron's supers, you can link multiple Bionic Arms if you preserve your bounces, Vergil's Spiral Swords (doesn't seem to be intended given how powerful it is), Viper can link EX moves which cost meter so that's like linking supers, Akuma can link his multi fireball super into the beam super, Wolverine can link Fatal Claws (probably not intended), Morrigan's Missile super at certain spaces, Chun Li's Lightning Kick super because it ends with a launcher and you can OTG back into it, MODOK's Battering Ram etc.


And you get more links with assists, X factor and all sorts of other shenanigans.

 

[Negaduck]

Donald Glover only voiced Miles Morales once. He was recast for later appearances.

Ah okay, appreciate the clarification.

Oooh kraven the hunter could be awesome.

There were a bunch of supers in Marvel 3 that could combo into themselves and no one really cared. It doesn't really matter much when LVL3 are in the game and do about the same thing for a similar cost and less execution. Linkable hypers do have the added bonus of severely punishing assists though.

Off the top of my head, linkable supers include: Sentinel's Hard Drive, Arthur's projectile super, Tron's supers, you can link multiple Bionic Arms if you preserve your bounces, Vergil's Spiral Swords (doesn't seem to be intended given how powerful it is), Viper can link EX moves which cost meter so that's like linking supers, Akuma can link his multi fireball super into the beam super, Wolverine can link Fatal Claws (probably not intended), Morrigan's Missile super at certain spaces, Chun Li's Lightning Kick super because it ends with a launcher and you can OTG back into it, MODOK's Battering Ram etc.


And you get more links with assists, X factor and all sorts of other shenanigans.

I completely forgot about those linkable supers. You've given me renewed hope that everyone will get shot.

 

[Tizoc]

Yo Disney can we get this guy in MvCI?

 

[vg260]

This is me, all over.

The most exciting thing about Infinite for me, at least at the moment, is that at least the mutants won't be a part of the base roster. With them gone, it effectively gives a chance for other Marvel characters to get in, as opposed to at least six slots being locked down because the mutants "must" be there. That's a large reason why MvC3 disappointed me so much.

Frankly, and I know it won't a popular opinion, I'd be just fine if the DLC deal just meant the bare minimum of Wolverine, Deadpool and Doom (as much as I love F4 chars) to give the Marvel side a chance to continue introducing other chars from their stable.

Same here.

I never cared much for the X-Men, and always liked most of the characters they're featuring in the MCU more, so the idea of a bunch of slots being freed up is exciting to me. It's an unpopular opinion, but I'd prefer they be strict about the X-Men/Fox thing and have 0 in the base roster. It wasn't until MSH when we got Cap, Hulk, Spidey, and Iron Man that I really got in to the Marvel series. I was always kinda bitter about all the X-Men being carried over into every single game. I was especially bitter about Psylocke and Juggernaut in MSH, which had a pretty small roster. I also still have a grudge against Shuma and Blackheart since we didn't get a classic Spidey villain in MSH, and I had no idea who they were.

 

[Dahbomb]

Older Marvel games were pretty weird with the roster selections and back then the non X men characters minus Spider Man were hella unpopular. People did not give a rat's ass about Thor, Captain America and Iron Man back in the day.

I am serious... Cyclops was more prevalent and known back in the day than Thor. The VS series were just capitalizing on the 90s X Men fever.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

It did get weird in MvC2 when they still made new X-Men characters on top of dumping every X-men from previous games.

 

[Red Arremer]

Not only that, Marvel didn't give a rat's ass about what the people who bought the licenses from them did. Which is why we got bizarre character choices like Shuma-Gorath, Omega Red or Marrow in the series.

Now they're much more conscious about their properties and how they are represented in video games, and rightfully so.

 

[Tizoc]

Not only that, Marvel didn't give a rat's ass about what the people who bought the licenses from them did. Which is why we got bizarre character choices like Shuma-Gorath, Omega Red or Marrow in the series.

Now they're much more conscious about their properties and how they are represented in video games, and rightfully so.

By bizarre you mean Awesome of course?

 

[Neoxon]

By bizarre you mean Awesome of course?

That depends on who you ask.

But yeah, aside from Ms. Marvel, I'm expecting mostly safe MCU choices for the base roster. Though if I recall, Ryce did hint at Groot not being his own character. If that's the case, I could see them putting him with Rocket like what was originally planned for UMvC3.

 

[Red Arremer]

By bizarre you mean Awesome of course?

I like Shuma, and Spiral is one of the few X-Men characters I'd love to have (in MvCI and other games).
Could do without Omega or Marrow though.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

Well I think there's some value in surprise chioices like Shuma or even Omega Red. I mean, we can safely assume why Capcom chose Shuma but it made things interesting in the general comp and variety of the rosters he was in.

I dunno what Capcom saw in Marrow though.

 

[Spehornoob]

If the rumors are true and there's something of an MCU focus, I hope we get Drax the Destroyer!

The MCU focus rumor definitely makes sense for marketing purposes.

I've never played any of the MvC games so I bought MvC3 when it came out for the PS4 this week and I'm having a blast with it, but I'm terrified to go online cause I know I'll get rekt.

 

[Red Arremer]

Well I think there's some value in surprise chioices like Shuma or even Omega Red. I mean, we can safely assume why Capcom chose Shuma but it made things interesting in the general comp and variety of the rosters he was in.

I dunno what Capcom saw in Marrow though.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'll be the very first one who'll be behind obscure or weird character choices, at least if there's something unique or interesting about them. Back in the day before GotG was known to be a movie project, I was so over the moon when Rocket Raccoon was first leaked for MvC3. In fact if you check the UMvC3 OT, you'll find my old nick (Becquerel) associated with Rocket.
I also was super hype about MODOK and Dormammu being in vanilla.

That said, there's just some characters that are pretty lame as shit, and Marrow and Omega Red (sorry Maximillion) are among them. There's other Marvel characters with whips that would be more interesting to bring in, imo.

Like, you can bring in Rocket Racer, and it would be an obscure and weird character choice, but that doesn't make him a good one, or one that would be cooler than, say, Silver Surfer.

 

[Tizoc]

I like Shuma, and Spiral is one of the few X-Men characters I'd love to have (in MvCI and other games).
Could do without Omega or Marrow though.

That made an awesome looking Marrow, gotta give them that.
Omega Destroyer is one of my fav. supers in fighting games :3

 

[J-Tier]

With the obscure choices in MvC2 and earlier, chances are they had access to several comic books to read at the time for reference, and those characters just happened to be in them. The Capcom devs probably had no clue how relevant or important the characters were or will be, besides them being "cool."

 

[TheDinoman]

Honestly, even though I like Ruby Heart, Amingo, and SonSon, I thought it was really weird that Capcom invested in developing sprites and shit for them in MVC2 over established Capcom characters like Arthur or something.

Granted, out of the three, you could make a case for SonSon, considering she's the granddaughter of the character from the old arcade game, so she kinda has some retro legacy with her. Dunno where Amingo and Ruby Heart came from though.

 

[J-Tier]

Honestly, even though I like Ruby Heart, Amingo, and SonSon, I thought it was really weird that Capcom invested developing sprites and shit for them in MVC2 over established Capcom characters like Arthur or something.

Granted, out of the three, you could make a case for SonSon, considering she's the granddaughter of the character from the old arcade game, so she kinda has some retro legacy with her. Dunno where Amingo and Ruby Heart came from though.

I thought Ruby Heart and Amingo were planned for a future Darkstalkers game or something and they were added as promo/marketing for the game that never happened. I may be totally wrong.

 

[TheDinoman]

I thought Ruby Heart and Amingo were planned for a future Darkstalkers game or something and they were added as promo/marketing for the game that never happened. I may be totally wrong.

I keep hearing that, but I never found any concrete sources about it.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

Exactly, people keep throwing out potential Marvel rosters or Marvel dlc for largely non mcu characters and I think that mindset is just gonna burn a lot of people. Even if certain characters are getting a comic push if Marvel has no plans to bring them to the big screen or even tv in the next 5ish years I don't think they have a realistic shot of being considered. DLC opens the gates a bit but even there I imagine it'll be legacy mvc characters or popular mcu characters who didn't make the base game.

Not really. One could infer that Doc Ock was one of the 8 due to his data being found in Vanilla MvC3, but we don't have anyone from MvC3's development backing it up.


Though you also have to consider rising stars in the comics like Ms. Marvel.

Come to think of it's kinda redundant to say this game MCU focused anyways because Marvel would just so happen to put the most popular characters Marvel wants to push are in the MCU.

Spoiler

Yes I am ignoring the MCU on purpose

But here's a lit of non MCU characters that Marvel may want in MvX
Ms Marvel
Squirrel Girl
Nova (Sam or Rich is up to Marvel)
Spider-Gwen
Gwenpool
She Hulk
Bigger longe shots
Miles: He is rumored to get an animated movie
Blade
Moon Knight

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

My Ant-Man, Black Panther, Spidey (She Hulk) Team is gonna be so damn lit.

 

[FinKL]

I saw Gambino's name in here, now I want a few music pieces from Gambino, maybe in the menu like NBA2k does it. Got to keep the iconic themes though and splice in some of that hot fiyah. Wouldn't even mind if SpiderMan has alt voice lines w/ him.

 

[sixteen-bit]

My Ant-Man, Black Panther, Spidey (She Hulk) Team is gonna be so damn lit.

This game is 2v2 tho

 

[Ryce]

I vaguely recall Seth Killian claiming that the MvC2 originals weren't Darkstalkers rejects, but I don't believe him. They're way too aesthetically similar to the Darkstalkers cast (transforming body parts/summoning/etc.) to be anything but that. Ruby Heart, Amingo, Sonson, and Abyss would not feel a hair out of place if they were somehow ported into Darkstalkers 3.

 

[Troubled Bat]

I want Nightcrawler too but I worry that since there seems to be an infinity stone that gives teleportation type powers we might not see him

...but there's other characters with teleports.

And it was just a dash! Lol

 

[PadWarrior]

I know he's in but I want to see spidey in action. With his mcu suit.

 

[FinKL]

I vaguely recall Seth Killian claiming that the MvC2 originals weren't Darkstalkers rejects, but I don't believe him. They're way too aesthetically similar to the Darkstalkers cast (transforming body parts/summoning/etc.) to be anything but that.

Who were MvC2 originals? I can only think of Amingo, Ruby Heart, and Sonson and I thought all 3 had a game they were in prior

 

[NotLiquid]

I vaguely recall Seth Killian claiming that the MvC2 originals weren't Darkstalkers rejects, but I don't believe him. They're way too aesthetically similar to the Darkstalkers cast (transforming body parts/summoning/etc.) to be anything but that. Ruby Heart, Amingo, Sonson, and Abyss would not feel a hair out of place if they were somehow ported into Darkstalkers 3.

Amingo and Ruby I can believe, but I wouldn't say Sonson is a Darkstalkers reject. That's an explicit homage to the Sonson game.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I vaguely recall Seth Killian claiming that the MvC2 originals weren't Darkstalkers rejects, but I don't believe him. They're way too aesthetically similar to the Darkstalkers cast (transforming body parts/summoning/etc.) to be anything but that. Ruby Heart, Amingo, Sonson, and Abyss would not feel a hair out of place if they were somehow ported into Darkstalkers 3.

Who were MvC2 originals? I can only think of Amingo, Ruby Heart, and Sonson...

Sonson wasn't an OC tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsh3j8SsAno

 

[Red Arremer]

I vaguely recall Seth Killian claiming that the MvC2 originals weren't Darkstalkers rejects, but I don't believe him. They're way too aesthetically similar to the Darkstalkers cast (transforming body parts/summoning/etc.) to be anything but that.

Plus at the very least Ruby and SonSon would fit into the whole mould of the Darkstalkers cast as well - a pirate and a reinvented version of a Journey to the West character just fall in place in a game about mythical creatures duking it out. Same goes for Abyss, to be honest.
Amingo is the only one that seems a bit out of place, but then again there's also the cutesy Sasquatch and a rockstar zombie, so who knows.

Sonson wasn't an OC tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsh3j8SsAno

Not the same SonSon. That character is supposed to be Sun Wukong from Journey to the West, while MvC2's SonSon is supposedly a grand daughter of that game's protagonist. So an original character, but an homage to a prior Capcom game.

 

[Troubled Bat]

SonSon III isn't an original character.

Ruby Heart was going to get her own game called Great Voyage Frontier, but that got cancelled.

 

[Jawmuncher]

When cancelled game characters get in over Regina 😢

 

[Red Arremer]

Ruby Heart was going to get her own game called Great Voyage Frontier, but that got cancelled.

But that game was long after Ruby Heart's original introduction in MvC2. The original release date of that mobile game she was supposed to be in was 2014 I believe? It never got released as far as I know.

 

[Ryce]

SonSon III isn't an original character.

Yes she is -- her grandfather is a classic Capcom character, but she isn't.

Ruby Heart was going to get her own game called Great Voyage Frontier, but that got cancelled.

Yeah, a mobile game from 2014. That obviously wasn't in the works for 15 years.

 

[J-Tier]

Amingo is the only one that seems a bit out of place, but then again there's also the cutesy Sasquatch and a rockstar zombie, so who knows.

It was probably Capcom's lack of knowledge about the Mexican culture at the time. He's a cactus, that uses maracas, wears a sombrero, and is named Amigo.

 

[BronsonLee]

I always figured Ruby was just supposed to be a MvC original

 

[J-Tier]

I always figured Ruby was just supposed to be a MvC original

It's possible, though I have my doubts that MvC was the platform for them to do that (though Norimaro kinda throws a wrench into that belief)

 

[Red Arremer]

It's possible, though I have my doubts that MvC was the platform for them to do that (though Norimaro kinda throws a wrench into that belief)

The inclusion of Norimaro in MSHvSF came together in entirely different circumstances. This was pretty much at the height of Capcom's popularity, and they made a contract with the guy who plays Norimaro to have him appear in the latest SF title. It just happened to be a versus one too.