Pieman0920
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Marvel sold the movie rights when they were having financial trouble. They should have sold the rights for a fixed time in retrospect, but instead sold the rights so that Fox keeps them as long as they keep making movies.
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Marvel sold the movie rights when they were having financial trouble. They should have sold the rights for a fixed time in retrospect, but instead sold the rights so that Fox keeps them as long as they keep making movies.
That's quite the fuck up.
Marvel, a company about to go bankrupt, made very bad deals with Sony and Fox for the cinematic rights to their characters to stay alive.
The successes of these films saved Marvel, and eventually allowed them to take risks on an Iron Man film, produced by the newly formed Marvel Studios.
The Marvel Studios line of films became wildly successful, propelling Marvel's B, C, and even D list characters to popularity levels that rival Spider-Man worldwild.
Disney purchased Marvel.
Disney wants the film rights to their characters back from Fox and Sony, but the old bad deals are still in play. In fact, these deals are so bad that they last forever so long as Fox and Sony make and release a film every so-many years that meets some unknown set of quality or performance guidelines.
Disney decided to try to devalue the Fox held IPs in order to get their character's film rights back. They struck a 'sharing' deal with Sony for Spider-Man.
This should be pretty easy to understand after reading the above. There is more to it, but this is the basic story of why this is happening.
Fox's Fantastic Four films have been terrible, and X-Men stuff was a little rocky for a time but is performing very well again, and the mega-hits Deadpool and Logan pretty much ensure those characters are not coming back to Disney for film anytime soon, if ever.
Doctrine Dark
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I'm mad that this petty nonsense has trickled down to gamers.
I don't think its petty at all. Disney purchased Marvel's entire catalog of characters and wants full access to them, and are doing what they feel is needed to wrestle those characters free from the current license holders. It just isn't working like they'd hoped, and they'll have to decide if they want to stay the course or try a different play.
It sucks for fans of those characters and properties that 'mommy and daddy are fighting', but it isn't unreasonable or petty imo.
Killa Sasa
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I'd say the ultra success of Daredevil once it returned also has Fox a little gunshy about losing any other potential money makers.
Jawmuncher
Member
Still surprised how many companies gave up on Marvel IPs instead of just trying to make a good movie. Though it at least means good things for Marvel having more under their belt.
It's not really petty but it doesn't put Disney in a good light. If they're the ones keeping non-MCU characters from appearing in MvCI, then the blame goes to them, not Fox. They've got nothing to do with the game. Actually, it is petty. The number of people that MvCI will reach is insignificant and surely won't influence the film world in any way. Putting X-Men in the game isn't going to make the X movies more money and not putting them in isn't going to make people boycott Fox to relinquish the rights they legally acquired. They didn't steal them from Marvel.
Well then they made really terrible deals for no reason lol.
For me, personally, I don't want to play as Wolverine, Magneto, Storm, and Sentinel again. ESPECIALLY if they stick to the old 2D capcom gameplay designs for them. If they were resigned from the ground up, I'd be a lot more excited.
I'd much prefer new characters and new designs.
I'm only sad about MvCi's roster due to the alleged shallow number of brand new characters and vast amount of returning MvC3 designs. That said, I played the CEO demo and ALL of the returning characters feel pretty fresh so far, so that eased my concern a lot.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, this is a lot closer to the truth - the thread goes into a little more detail beyond my OP, but basically: It's just that the times in which Marvel was selling rights to their characters, the notion of Superhero movies being what they are now was fuckin' inconceivable.
But at no point did Marvel sell the rights to any of their characters from a position of disadvantage. They got exactly the deals they wanted in almost every case. It's just that the deals they wanted were, in hindsight, not as good as everyone at the time thought they were.
Starphoenix
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So if Capcom does do an Xmen DLC pack, and it's around 6 characters, which Xmen would everyone want?
Wolverine
Magneto
Gambit
Deadpool
Storm
Cable
Wolverine
Magneto
Gambit
Deadpool
Storm
Cable
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Nightcrawler (tail & sword attacks + teleports)
Kitty Pride (phase attacks would be fucking nuts)
Juggernaut
Magneto
Magik
Wolverine
Kitty Pride (phase attacks would be fucking nuts)
Juggernaut
Magneto
Magik
Wolverine
Jawmuncher
Member
Sounds about right. I wouldn't mind cable coming back too
Heroes-Villians
Storm - (updated powers)
Magneto- classic
Lady Deathstrike - (1/2 cyborg version)
Psylocke (tk and tp)
Nightcrawler - (swashbuckler )
Rogue (classic Ms Marvel w/ power steal) -
Jawmuncher
Member
Don't need deadpool when we got Gwenpool
If Deadpool's an option for DLC, we'll likely get him over Gwenpool.
DR2K
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Eh. Only if he comes with SheHulk.
The Broken Ska Record
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Wolverine (Logan or Laura),
Deadpool,
Cyclops,
Magik,
Nightcrawler,
Douglock.
I want new/different characters than what's been in before.
Deadpool,
Cyclops,
Magik,
Nightcrawler,
Douglock.
I want new/different characters than what's been in before.
roflwaffles
Member
Magneto
Storm
Wolverine
Cable
Psylocke
Gambit
Deadpool
Cyclops
Magik
Rogue
Sabertooth (if only to have my old XvSF team of Mags/Sabertooth back)
Apocalypse
Jean
Iceman
Scarlet Witch
Ugh I need X-Men vs Capcom.
Storm
Wolverine
Cable
Psylocke
Gambit
Deadpool
Cyclops
Magik
Rogue
Sabertooth (if only to have my old XvSF team of Mags/Sabertooth back)
Apocalypse
Jean
Iceman
Scarlet Witch
Ugh I need X-Men vs Capcom.
We need Children of the Atom 2
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Wasn't expecting to see that one. I like it.
Fuck, I think X-Men vs. New Mutants would be a fun as hell fighting game all by itself.
(with Cannonball as a universal assist for anyone on the New Mutants team. Just hit a button and he comes crashing in and flails off)
edit: And nah, no love for Deadpool.
The Broken Ska Record
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We absolutely do or a new Marvel Super Heroes that pulls from their backcatalog. I want Slapstick and Sleepwalker, damnit.
Douglock was my best friend growing up's second favorite character. The first being Nightcrawler.
Also I am 100% down for a X-Men vs. New Mutants game.
We have reason to believe that Venom could be in the base roster. Also, Season 1 is all newcomers.
Would love for them to take advantage of the chars at their disposal. Nightcrawler would definitely be cool to see along with others who don't get spoken of much. A new CotA or an X-Men vs game would do a lot to make fans happy, but I def won't ever expect it to happen at this rate. We can dream at least.
TotalMackerel
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Pieman0920
Member
Wolverine
Storm
Magneto
Nightcrawler
Magik
Apocalypse (For real this time)
Three vets and three newcomers.
Doctrine Dark
Member
I'd be happy with COTA 2 or MSH 2, honestly.
I mean if they're the final (second) KO
Turbanator
Member
Half of my picks are popular veteran characters, and the other half are characters that rose in the time since the X-Men peaked.
-Wolverine
-Deadpool
-Magneto
-Magik
-Rachel Grey (as Marvel Girl or Prestige) or Hope Summers
-Cyclops (Not a new guy by any means, but I feel like his newer, more radicalized personality has greatly evolved him as a character for better or worse)
I also wouldn't mind getting a pack with the time-displaced First Class team.
Really, we just need a new X-Men game. Capcom and Marvel should make a CoTA2 or XvSF2 to make up for the mutant massacre in MvCI.
-Wolverine
-Deadpool
-Magneto
-Magik
-Rachel Grey (as Marvel Girl or Prestige) or Hope Summers
-Cyclops (Not a new guy by any means, but I feel like his newer, more radicalized personality has greatly evolved him as a character for better or worse)
I also wouldn't mind getting a pack with the time-displaced First Class team.
Really, we just need a new X-Men game. Capcom and Marvel should make a CoTA2 or XvSF2 to make up for the mutant massacre in MvCI.
Hades Hotgun
Banned
Havok
Polaris
Strong Guy
Multiple Man
Wolfsbane
Forge
or
Havok
Bloodstorm
The Brute
Iceman
The Fallen
Goblyn Queen
Motion Picture Soundtrack
Member
If you want Phoenix back you're a bad person.
Jawmuncher
Member
I'd love rereleases of those old Xmen fighting games by capcom
Motion Picture Soundtrack
Member
Multiple Man could work pretty well now that we have characters who call in assists as special moves.
I think it's obvious now they don't want the older vs games re-released to avoid comparisons to infinite.
I can't blame them, it'd be a pretty bad look when their game from 1996 looks and plays better than the 2017 game they're trying to sell you for $90
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I would like to see
Cyclops
Wolverine
Magneto
Storm
Gambit
Phoenix (or Hope)
We are more likely to get this roster
Cyclops
Wolverine
Magneto
Storm
Deadpool
That would make more sense if they hadn't already rereleased 3, featuring a substantially larger roster and 10 or so X-Men/F4 chars.
For whatever reason Capcom is content leaving the HD ports of their older fighters on last gen, which is inconvenient but it makes sense that it wouldn't be a priority. Maybe they can't figure out a way to do it without making people purchase them again.
To be fair, SFV is still getting long-term support after its launch.
Expecting character, stage etc. DLC should be fine for MVCI.
Expecting graphical upgrades etc. is a different story.
Grayskull Guardsman
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Cyclops
Wolverine
Psylocke
Nightcrawler
Vampire Jubilee
Magneto
Wolverine
Psylocke
Nightcrawler
Vampire Jubilee
Magneto
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