Agreed.
Although I have a sliver of hope they actually pay attention to why, as there's no shortage of detailed feedback out there.
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Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite sells 1/10th of MvC3's debut in Japan, 1/6th Pokken DX
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Agreed.
Although I have a sliver of hope they actually pay attention to why, as there's no shortage of detailed feedback out there.
yeah they should just do Capcom Fighters Megamix 2 because that worked out so well the first time
Umm, Capcom had a much better time pre-release with SFV than MvC:I and they were on their own.
I guarantee u if they made a Capcom Fighters as a spiritual successor to MvC3 it would fare much better. And by spiritual successor I mean it follows on the art style and gameplay system as MvC3.
Not like they'd have lost any hardcore players seeing as they're eating Infinite up even though it lost all of the X-Men and F4 characters.
But then again they presumably had full control over their side of the roster here and it was still shit so maybe Capcom vs Capcom wouldn't be so hot either.
DR2K
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The game has less content than the UMVC3 update. While looking worse.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Vs fans will get it but that fanbase is getting smaller and smaller. This is, just like SFV, a game for the hardcore FGC player.
culex-knight
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Probably more like a game for the hardcore MvC/Capcom player. I was really looking forward to a new Marvel game as a long time spectator of U/MvC3, but I can't really get behind purchasing MvCI as it stands, and probably will always will stand.
As a "diehard MvC fan" you didn't do the game any favors by leaking so many things.
Crimsonclaw111
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Killa Sasa
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I wonder if drip feeding this roster would've been better. To be honest, I like the game and I got all my characters (don't give a damn about the X-Men and fuck Wolverine :3), but holding out hope and then dangling those DLC characters would've hurt for a lot of people too. There was plenty of time to get in front of it but I get that it's also extremely difficult in the context of NDAs, major franchises, a marketing plan that didn't exist and just game development in general.
Who knows what's happening in that timeline.
Edit: forgot that on top of this they weren't saying shit about the game up through when Ryce/Saikyo revealed it. Yeah, sorry, no. Zero percent Ryce/Saikyo's fault.
Don't you ever put this on the fans, much less Ryce who actually injected hype into this game. Without him this game would have gotten even less attention than what it got.
I am sorry Ryce for his comment, and I personally thank you for letting us in on the information you were privy to.
I want to say that the game was made for the diehard Marvel nuts, especially including the crime of the crop like Wong, Champ, and Chris G. If they can bring in spectators, that could have achieved some other purpose than direct sales, in theory anyway. Of course, Capcom bungled the plot so much that this isn't feasible; hell, their 2 mil projections point that they were honest to God expecting a blockbuster hit for a fighting game.
This is in no way a fair statement to make.
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Drilbit777
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Lol people shit on Pokken but its a far better package than what MVCI offered.
This was such an obvious call. I know, supposedly marvel wouldn't let them bla bla bla...
Pop-O-Matic
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No shit, I saw people in the SBF OT talking about how much of a shame it is that the gaming community is failing these new Capcom fighters, like it's our responsibility to buy these games in blind faith and not Capcom's to make a game that's actually worth buying.
Drilbit777
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Capcom made a subpar product and i refused to buy it. The gameplay is fun but thats not enough for me to drop $60 on it when everything else is terrible about it.
Killa Sasa
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Ding ding ding
Like people would've been happy to see fucking Haggar on a Venom cover. Bananas. And the mayor of earth is actually a great character.
dragonyeuw
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Frankly I'd rather Marvel align themselves with Platinum and publish a balls to walls fighter with their own characters blended with that Platinum craziness we all love.
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Yep. I'm glad Ryce broke the bad news to us early.
No. This is stupid.
When Roy and Ryu were leaked for smash people were tripping out HARD. Some called it fake for sure, some died in hype but everyone had eyes on Sakurai. A good roster (dlc or base mind you) would create hype no matter how it is revealed. MVCI has nothing as good as Ryu in Smash dlc or otherwise.
Drilbit777
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Things were already looking suspicious from the first trailer but having false hope for new characters instead of rehashes would have been worse.
Jawmuncher
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If anything the leaks helped the game in the case of there not being a bigger shitstorm around out. Had they held that Roster until the end like they originally planned. Shiet.
There would be more hate towards the game than there is right now.
Not to mention if the roster and reveals would have been hype.
No leak would've done damage to the characters being revealed.
There were no big character reveals for this game outside Jedah.
also wow really? calling people idiots?
As many as it takes. Nuff said!
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I'm not sure why WB didn't do this with wonder woman would have been an easy sell.
Maybe for WW 2
I wish
Ryce's leaks didn't change anything.
In fact I'm glad he was upfront about this stuff so we knew what to expect.
I dont think anyone is saying you're blaming everything on Ryce but you're saying he contributed to the game's negative image. Regardless of Ryce's leak, the reception would have been undeniably bad once the roster was revealed.
And calling people who disagree with you juvenile idiots really isn't helping your argument at all.
Jawmuncher
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Yeah that's a good point to.
They had all the time in the world to turn things around and we still had character's revealed through comic covers on twitter and nothing more until later.
As much as people are wetting their panties over DBZF its certainly not replacing MvCi in my opinion. DBZF has an anime look because its...anime, so obviously it fits the game far better. Capcom did perfectly fine in getting the comic book look in MvC3 and SFV looks vibrant, gorgeous and unique to look at and is animated beautifully so they still have the touch:
However with MvCi the art director (if there even was one) has been asleep at the wheel for sure. Its one of the first instances in a long time Ive seen such inconsistency in artstyle for one of their fighters so hopefully they can learn from the SFV team and improve it.
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I really like Marvel vs. Capcom. Been playing the Capcom Marvel fighters since Children of the Atom. Lots of fond memories playing X-Men vs. Street Fighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter in the arcades and on a friend's Japanese Sega Saturn with the RAM cartridge, and of course, thousands of hours were spent playing Marvel vs. Capcom and especially MVC2 on the Dreamcast. I didn't play nearly as much MVC3, but it was still a cool game.
Nothing about this new one has captured my interest, though. The art looks terrible and the roster isn't very interesting to me. I honestly don't know how you do a Marvel game without any X-Men. I'm sure they got pressured from Marvel to play up the current Marvel Cinematic Universe, but as someone who has zero interest in their moves, it definitely feels like this game is not for me.
Nothing about this new one has captured my interest, though. The art looks terrible and the roster isn't very interesting to me. I honestly don't know how you do a Marvel game without any X-Men. I'm sure they got pressured from Marvel to play up the current Marvel Cinematic Universe, but as someone who has zero interest in their moves, it definitely feels like this game is not for me.
jasminlovesyoux
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I'm a big vs fan and I didn't get it. In fact this is the first vs game I have no intention of getting. And I imported xmen vs SF for the Saturn back in the day.
Basically.
Acording to some people, if the situation is so bad that it may mean the death of the franchise (for an undetermined amount of time), then it doesn't make sense to be glad that capcom is, f*cking finally, getting what they have deserved for many year now, after f*cking over fans with each new fighting game they released!?
If there's no place in the market for capcom releasing products, that are an awfull proposition for the general public, compared to what the competition have been doing since 2010 (and getting better and better at it while capcom keeps getting worse), then so be it.
but capcom still has the best gameplay you say? Well, to bad, good gameplay alone is not going to sell your fighting game in 2017.
Yup and when UMvC3's roster was leaked there was excitement around how Phoenix Wright and the others (including relatively unknown characters at the time like Rocket Raccoon) would play. There was hardly any of that here outside of Jedah.
Jawmuncher
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As much as people are wetting their panties over DBZF it's certainly not replacing MvCi in my opinion. DBZF has an anime look because it's...anime, so obviously it fits the game far better. Capcom did perfectly fine in getting the ”comic book" look in MvC3 and SFV looks vibrant, gorgeous and unique to look at and is animated beautifully so they still have the touch:
However with MvCi the art director (if there even was one) has been asleep at the wheel for sure. It's one of the first instances in a long time I've seen such inconsistency in artstyle for one of their fighters so hopefully they can learn from the SFV team and improve it.
Yeah at this point the only thing hurting SFV from a graphical standpoint would be
Backgrounds - (Not a big deal they're backgrounds. They don't factor into the match and the newer stages look great anyway).
Clipping - Another not a big deal. Clipping happens and it's not like you can really notice with how fast the game is. Though they should work on the Character Select clipping if they haven't yet.
Kens Face at Character Select - Just wish they'd change it is all lol.
Another good point. A good roster even leaked will have people buzzing about how they'll look or play.
Only Jedah and Hunter really had any of that going for them.
Good post. Sometimes we see sales figures and simply judge based on the numbers without looking at the context and bigger picture. Of course Capcom are the ones to blame for poor management, PR, marketing, word of mouth, roster and the visuals but Im pretty sure they could have improved on it if they had the resources and support from Marvel. Do I think the game will have legs? Of course. VS titles never lit up the sales charts however it will most definitely last far longer competitively than Pokken or even DBFZ.
The developers couldn't put out the game that the fans wanted, and thanks to the leaks, we knew that all along.
Pre-launch advertising was almost non-existent. I got most of it from Twitch a few days before launch thanks to some retailers breaking street date.
The publisher is more focused on the eSports push than anything else, and that doesn't appeal to everybody.
The art style that made MVC3 look great despite its lack of detail is gone, so not only are MVCI's visuals bland in comparison, everything in particular that looks bad stands out.
The Capcom side copied/pasted some of the least-interesting characters from UMVC3 and added Megaman X and Jedah.
The Marvel side is purely the MCU, not because of licensing issues, but because Disney didn't wanna promote other people's movies.
The presenatation (everything from the life bars to the menus) looks like it was thrown together at the last minute.
Pay extra immediately for DLC with no release date, no timeline, and no identity until recently.
That "functions" comment from Peter Rosas tried to bury fan-favorite characters that aren't in MVCI but instead buried the game itself.
Who was this game aimed at, outside of the competitive scene?
Pre-launch advertising was almost non-existent. I got most of it from Twitch a few days before launch thanks to some retailers breaking street date.
The publisher is more focused on the eSports push than anything else, and that doesn't appeal to everybody.
The art style that made MVC3 look great despite its lack of detail is gone, so not only are MVCI's visuals bland in comparison, everything in particular that looks bad stands out.
The Capcom side copied/pasted some of the least-interesting characters from UMVC3 and added Megaman X and Jedah.
The Marvel side is purely the MCU, not because of licensing issues, but because Disney didn't wanna promote other people's movies.
The presenatation (everything from the life bars to the menus) looks like it was thrown together at the last minute.
Pay extra immediately for DLC with no release date, no timeline, and no identity until recently.
That "functions" comment from Peter Rosas tried to bury fan-favorite characters that aren't in MVCI but instead buried the game itself.
Who was this game aimed at, outside of the competitive scene?
Ditto. I think I bought every available Vs fighter on Saturn, Dreamcast, PS2, Wii and Xbox 360. I even rebought UMVC3 on Steam 6 months ago. But I'm not bothering with MVCI, no interest.
I sure hope the new standard for fighters isn't disabling animation interpolation. It's every other developer that needs to step it up to be on SFV's level.
I sure don't want every fighter to look like a budget anime.