More_Badass
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Seeing is believing. Aliens and super tech is one thing; a mystical millennia-old undead cult is another. Same category as believing mind control exists. Remember, people like Matt don't have the perspective of the MCU we have.
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Marvel's Daredevil S2 |OT| No More Half Measures - March 18th on Netflix
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TheSadRanger
Banned
I'm only on episode 10 but episode 3 and 9 had some
amazing fight scenes. I also loved how they brought the Kingpin back.
It's been so hard for me to watch this season sparingly, I go in thinking "okay I'm only gonna watch two to maybe three episodes max tonight". Then I end up watching four or five because I want to see what happens next so badly.
UltimaPooh
Member
Lol grounded. In a world that's filled with aliens, and gods, and talking raccoons.
It should have some level of realism I agree but that'll get boring. Quick.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Matt has the same perspective. In season 1 Fisk's right hand man even mentions Thor's hammer so I'm sure the general population (Matt included) have knowledge of really bizarre things. Him not budging is the show's writers thinking they can exploit this particular flaw, they can do that if they want but it comes off as bad writing.
If it falls into the same rabbit hole of mediocrity that plagues Arrow then I eventually will stop watching it.
The non-Mystic story arcs have been incredible and very well executed. I want more of that. If they want to branch out and bring in wackiness then at least go for something that Marvel is good at: Mutants/Inhumans.
I dont want mysticism in my comic book tv show about a comic with mysticism
alrighty then
Daredevil is someone who can hear a pin prick from miles away and can smell and identify copper. He should definitely be less skeptical than he is written on the show.
More_Badass
Member
Just because they know there's a hero named Thor who can fly and has a hammer doesn't mean they know Thor is actually an alien god from another dimension with a magical hammer.
Yup
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Yeah, something's up. Here's just one example of a bad fight scene featuring terrible editing/angles. I briefly froze two frames that occurred right next to each other to show just how obvious the "swing and miss" was. Remember, I didn't remove a single frame.
I'm not trying to nitpick here. Like I said on the previous page, I'm really enjoying this season far more than the last. But stuff like this is very obvious to me and takes me out of the action when it occurs.
Why does it matter that it was in the source material when it just plain out sucks and feels completely out of place in the TV show?
To be fair, if it were handled better than there would probably be fewer complaints. It isn't handled very well, the logistics behind it are nebulous at best, and it feels like a distraction from the better aspects of the season (which ended up being the more grounded segments).
but it doesnt feel out of place.
lets say they made a tv show of gears of war. but instead of monsters that come out of the ground, they are now fighting humans, because "I dont want monsters its not realistic"
then why would it be a gears of war show?
I actually agree that it was handled poorly. but the person in question is flat out saying "no ninjas, no mysticism, swords and bows lol use guns"
I don't even understand your criticism. I'm saying the show works by remaining grounded. What doesn't work is immortal ninjas. The exchange between Matt and Fisk got me really excited for his eventual release, whereas I never want to see immortal Nobu ever again.
If you enjoy the mysticism, then great, but it's clearly the weakest aspect of the show.
TheSadRanger
Banned
You know, so far that has been my only (ep.8 spoilers)
real problem with the season so far, was Elektra kicking Stick out and getting sliced up because she hesitated killing someone because Matt asked her to only to slice some guys throat. I just really didn't like how that was written how they spent so much time on having her trying to become a better person and throw it all away in an instant.
What's bizarre is that those points you make (which are solid) didn't get brought up. Matt not buying into the mysticism makes sense. But Stick just says "well fine don't believe me" and makes a Catholic dig instead of pointing out that there are aliens from another plane that visited Earth in the past, that there were aliens in New York, et al. It's an issue because they don't address it in any way that makes sense, which is where the "keep the Marvel connections on the down-low" hurts them.
Instead of actually hashing out the weirdness, they just hand-wave it, and that's where I think the complaints that the Dark Sky stuff is too vague and doesn't fit with the grounded feel of the rest of the show absolutely does come into play. Everyone's either believing in it or saying its impossible instead of trying to rectify it with something we already know about. It feels like the writers just want to keep it vague because that way they get to literally magic every plot point they want (like the mind-controlled guys) and never have to answer for it.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Yup, just as I imagined, episode 4 was incredible.
I felt five was a bit of a letdown after all of that, but wow at episode 4. Just wow. They went to some dark places for a Marvel show...
Gives me a great hope for any potential Punisher series that might come out of this. Berenthal absolutely killed it as Punisher.
I felt five was a bit of a letdown after all of that, but wow at episode 4. Just wow. They went to some dark places for a Marvel show...
Gives me a great hope for any potential Punisher series that might come out of this. Berenthal absolutely killed it as Punisher.
Jon Bernthal is hands down the best actor on the show.
I eagerly await the "too much Kung Fu" complaints.
The Outsider
Member
Yep. We're going further down the rabbit hole the longer this continues. If The Hand is too much for some, the reactions to Iron Fist are going to be amazing.
its not even the kung fu part. its the mystical city in another dimension
and...you know... the dragon
lolAssuming of course they are faithful, which so far they have been with these shows, with whatever changes they make
The showrunners of Iron Fist just need to handle it better than Daredevil. They can't pussyfoot around the issue like they attempted to in Season 2. They have to go all in, get into the nitty gritty of the how and the why, and stop being so damn vague.
I have no idea what Iron Fist is about, but yes, I'll check it out. Whether I enjoy it or not remains to be seen.
My issue isn't even with mysticism itself, but its poor execution in these kind of shows. Arrow was better without it and I enjoyed the non-Hand episodes much more in this show. I'm not writing DD off when it comes to implementing mystic elements, but I believe the show should play to its strengths even if it means moving away from the source material.
its not even the kung fu part. its the mystical city in another dimension
and...you know... the dragon
Assuming of course they are faithful, which so far they have been with these shows, with whatever changes they make
I'd be happy to be wrong but I can't see how they'll pull off something like that with the show's budget.
oh I agree
there is zero chance you dont see some of it in flashbacks, I dont think anyone expected the show to be in Kun Lun
darkhunger
Member
The synopsis seems to have it taking place in New York again... So we might not even see those things.its not even the kung fu part. its the mystical city in another dimension
and...you know... the dragon
Assuming of course they are faithful, which so far they have been with these shows, with whatever changes they make
Probably blew it all on that
one "web slinging"
The Artisan
Member
yep. I definitely agree with you there. spoil
we still don't know what's up with matt's mom. we know she's alive, but we don't know what the fuck is up with her. there wa one prequel scene where a nun calls her "matty" which could've been her, but they didn't fucking clarify. the fuck.
More_Badass
Member
I don't think they did that in S1 either?
At the very least there's going to be talk about it, and probably some flashbacks, and maybe some hinting that leads to more in future seasons.
In other words, it will be awesome and more of exactly what people are whining about here.
There was one quick shot where he's explaining what he sees to Claire.
Nizz
Member
Yeah, this is the last episode I've watched and I agree. He really nailed that scene, Marvel casting on point again.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Of course, but would seeing some dude fly around and use thunder on a portal in the sky that's sending in flying alien worms make you think, "hey, maybe things aren't as they seem... did that man just turn into a giant green monster man?"
Unfortunately, this level of skepticism is really odd. Spoiler for Jessica Jones:
In the series it's mentioned Jessica knows of other supers like her, many more in fact. Kilgrave was talked about by the public as well.
It's an inconsistent trait. He himself can do feats that can only be considered magic as he's breaking the laws of physics.
Modern and more tactical ninjas would have been better received.
Discotheque
Banned
man this hand shit is boring as hell. on episode 10 now and it's crazy how i'm anticipating karen and foggy scenes more than daredevil and elektra.
all because of their involvement with the punisher case and just the punisher in general. i don't care for this ninja shit tbh. love the interactions between daredevil and elektra but i will say episode 8 was the most boring one of the season so far and it's clear why.
also for some reason the action takes a step down too when it gets to the ninja shit, it doesn't hold a candle to into the badlands for instance. choreography is way more raw when he's fighting normal thugs. i know comic fans love this stuff with
but it's a huge step down from the street-level crimes, especially that 1-4 arc.
loved in episode 9
anyways 4 more to go.
all because of their involvement with the punisher case and just the punisher in general. i don't care for this ninja shit tbh. love the interactions between daredevil and elektra but i will say episode 8 was the most boring one of the season so far and it's clear why.
also for some reason the action takes a step down too when it gets to the ninja shit, it doesn't hold a candle to into the badlands for instance. choreography is way more raw when he's fighting normal thugs. i know comic fans love this stuff with
stick and the hand
loved in episode 9
the scenes following kingpin, prison politics is always enjoyable tv. and then punisher to top it all off. lets face it, this is the punisher show at this point. daredevil and his ninjas can kick rocks lol
anyways 4 more to go.
Yeah that was probably most disappointing aspect of this season. Incorporating his Sonar Sense into a fight could be super interesting and unique.
The One and Done
Member
Spoiler tag those gifs if you'd be so kind. Not everyone has made it through the season but would still like to discuss the show.
Episode 4
Episode 4
Terrific graveyard scene with Punisher and Daredevil. I teared up.
I also love the way they fought themselves out of that warehouse. Daredevil was so incredible.
Also love his updated cowl!!!!
I also love the way they fought themselves out of that warehouse. Daredevil was so incredible.
Also love his updated cowl!!!!
The One and Done
Member
Ep3
I thought the same thing as that scene played out. The camera work and coreagraphy are phenomenal in this show.
I was being facetious, I mean they are freaking ninjas. The whole idea of highly trained assassins clan wearing black pj's and ski masks relying on throwing stars and Katanas is not exactly something you make less ridiculous by making it "tactical".
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Light armor, silenced firearms, knives. It isn't too difficult to modernize a ninja. Black clothes, katana, and shurikans aren't the defining trait of a ninja same way being a soldier isn't all about using a sword and shield.
Primethius
Banned
You're unlikely to enjoy the remaining episodes going by what you've said here.
I wonder if (late spoilers of Daredevil S2 and Jessica Jones)
And maybe I don't know very well about Iron Fist,
So at this point, I can see at least three plotlines withouth resolution between Daredevil and Jessica Jones:
Man, the MCU is a really weird world, but is like the comics -and a certain way, the real world- is.
in a hypothetical future Punisher's season there is going to be a plotline about the shaddy operations inside the army. The Nuke can be there, too.
And maybe I don't know very well about Iron Fist,
but it is definitely very possible that The Hand will appear in that show.
- The secrets operations inside the army.
- The IGH stuff, that may be related to the army.
- The Hand stuff.
- The IGH stuff, that may be related to the army.
- The Hand stuff.
Man, the MCU is a really weird world, but is like the comics -and a certain way, the real world- is.
Cloud Strife
Member
Just finished
The Black Sky nonsense really killed my hype for this show. Everything was great until you throw in this vague plot that I have no idea how to feel invested in. What is this war? Who were those kids? Wtf is up with the urn? Is Stick immortal? Why wasn't New York destroyed like Stick kept saying?
Ugh. Otherwise the season was phenomenal. Wished Frank and DD teamed up sooner though.
Ugh. Otherwise the season was phenomenal. Wished Frank and DD teamed up sooner though.