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Marvel's Wolverine aims to achieve Hellblade II levels of graphics
SenkiDala
Member
Yeah, games like Minecraft (300 mil), Stardew Valley (20 mil as of march 2022), Fortnite, Mario Kart 8 (65 mil), Animal Crossing New Horizons (43 mil), Elden Ring (over 20 mil), Baldur's Gate 3 (22 mil only on Steam, not counting PS5/XBS sales), Breath of the Wild (31 mil), all rely on graphics.
No, groundbreaking success sell almost only because of their gameplay, always, since forever.
Insane Metal
Member
Lol.
POKEYCLYDE
Member
I've avoided what I can of the Wolverine leaks. So I'll say this, If Wolverine can give me the same feeling that the first Last of Us trailer gave me, that visceral up close and personal extreme violence... I'm in.
struggler_guts
Member
I never played it, is it just mash x to win?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
One is a tight third person linear game while the other will probably be some form of open world?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I actually kind of agree. Visually the first game looks good but is boring and doesn't click with me. The main reason people are even talking about this one is for the graphics and if it's on Game pass, I'm going to look at it for that. I hope it isn't as boring as the first game.
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Crispy Gamer
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Well it's not open world so it's possible
How should Wolverine play? I would imagine it to be like Logan but bloodier.
Trekinspace88
Member
While Hell-blade II looks great it is not an open world game and more of a linear cinematic adventure game.
So of course a linear game is the one that can push its graphical fidelity a lot further further then an open world game. So with Wolverine also a linear type game with some sections of the game being a bit more open then i can see them matching or surpassing Hell-blade II graphics.
Especially if the PS5 Pro is real and it's as powerful as the rumors suggest i can see most Sony 1st part games pushing the graphical bar higher.
So of course a linear game is the one that can push its graphical fidelity a lot further further then an open world game. So with Wolverine also a linear type game with some sections of the game being a bit more open then i can see them matching or surpassing Hell-blade II graphics.
Especially if the PS5 Pro is real and it's as powerful as the rumors suggest i can see most Sony 1st part games pushing the graphical bar higher.
I personally believe Eyes would be a better game if the gameplay mechanics were fleshed out more.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Industry.
AAA games employ a shit ton more people across the industry.
graphics, gameplay have nothing to do with it.
You try to make a list to prove a point, sorry but your point is ass:
when you list Elden Ring which is an iteration of the Souls formula and the most successful game for that compnay = employs people across the world.
BG3...is a fucking sequel and established genre and licensed IP....What it has is (ironically ) production values in the graphics and voice acting department.
Fornite is a fucking AAA game buddy. just look at the amount of money they spend in crossovers. And thanks to Fornite, Epic made the EGS and is able give free games on it.
The Nintendo games: Old ass IPs. they keep milking them, make a shit ton of money....literally they are paying the bills
Minecraft was done by one dude...it exploded and now MS own it and the studio has around 600 devs.
get a reality check. buddy.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
it makes sense. as i already said:
Art Direction ≠ Graphics.
SenkiDala
Member
Blablabla. Go back to sleep.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I will, but before i do. can you tell me how many jobs "among us" created compared to i dunno "Call of Duty"?
3liteDragon
Member
They're gonna do what Ninja Theory couldn't lol
Thirty7ven
Banned
One is a tight third person linear game while the other will probably be some form of open world?
They are talking about using a certain type of tech and use Hellblade 2 as an example.
Meanwhile people go on debating with the title of the thread, and like you talk about scope differences.
Obviously freedom of movement, scale, amount of characters and assets on screen impact the rendering budget on what the hard ceiling these consoles have allows for.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why not?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The bolded is what could make this a 15-20 million unit seller if they pull it off with the game also being good and fun. The cost doesn't matter if the pull off the bolded.
CrimsonSquall
Member
I have faith in Insomniac after Ratchet. Taking the wait and see approach considering it’s still a couple yrs away
Zathalus
Member
Apparently, due to a contractual agreement with Marvel all the games need to be on PC as well. I doubt it will be day 1 though.
Negotiator101
Member
You'd have to be blind wouldn't you?
Jigsaah
Member
Lotta blind folks...
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Ha so true ..Hopefully they're not blowing smoke up our asses
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
One is a tight third person linear game while the other will probably be some form of open world?
I would much rather Wolverine be semi open world. It would be much more interesting imo. Do something like God of War that's a bit more open than that.
AltogetherAndrews
Banned
They are devs, of course they get impressed by the work of others. Level the fuck up already, ape.
//DEVIL//
Member
They won't. its really clear why Hellblade 2 graphics are like this. if you look closely at least in these gifs. its always one-on-one and there is no background (edit: or very minimal background). its like they almost killed everything at the back just to get the graphics on the character models to look this good during the fight. then it goes back to her exploring alone + stage level.
If they can match this, I will never say another bad thing about them ever again
Insomniac gameplay isn't the same. Not to say the graphics will look bad or they lack the talent because they don't . but just different gameplay style resulting in different graphics.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
watch both gameplay trailers. there are plenty of levels shown with insane level of detail in the background.
//DEVIL//
Member
Could have missed it. but was there close up fighting sequences with those insane level of details you are talking about in the background ? I honestly do not remember. I only remember the gifs above for the close up fighting and the graphics was very nice.
but when the fighting ends, the background details showed up again but .. no more close up fights.
magnumpy
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it is relatively "easy" to achieve super realistic graphics, or at least it's easy to notice that at a glance. very good gameplay is much more subjective and difficult to achieve.
of course, you need both ideally. not talking about what sells the most, apparently Minecraft has already cracked that nut? so video games are a solved problem, Minecraft already exists </s>
of course, you need both ideally. not talking about what sells the most, apparently Minecraft has already cracked that nut? so video games are a solved problem, Minecraft already exists </s>
Crayon
Member
I'm sure they can implement some specific technique on the same level or better, but the overall visual impression can never be this impressive. Hellblade is what I call a cinematic game where camera angles and lights are controlled with a lot of care. The priority on animation over control makes for a huge, huge difference in the visual impression. It looks so much more real than gamey animation. I actually enjoy these types of games even though the gameplay gets sacrificed somewhat.
TheRedRiders
Member
Horizon Forbidden West still holds up strongly in the context of next-gen games despite it being a cross-gen game, facial animations and detail are amazing, and the geometry density is pretty solid. It does make me wonder what GG can pull off with with full native next-gen hardware.
Sony's ICE team still exists but not sure to what extent, it would make sense for them to share facial animation technologies, as well as approaches to micro-polygon rendering - so this won't be a far fetched goal for Insomniac.
Sony's ICE team still exists but not sure to what extent, it would make sense for them to share facial animation technologies, as well as approaches to micro-polygon rendering - so this won't be a far fetched goal for Insomniac.
StealthGoblin
Banned
I might be alone on this but I don't want games to have that sort of fidelity if it means budgets balloon and game length gets longer and longer. Forbidden West, Spiderman 2 and Ragnarok on PS5 looked more than great to me. Dial back the game length and that would be the sweet spot.
Thirty7ven
Banned
It’s mostly a bunch of rocks with very little movement.
Doesn’t mean it doesn’t look great but context is everything.
Taur007
Member
So don't you mean in terns of "gameplay" then?
ChorizoPicozo
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Taur007
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