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[ruvikx]

I'm reading the flu statistics for France, i.e. on average around 2500 people die each year from the flu. But, in winter 2014, the number was 18300! https://www.planetoscope.com/mortalite/1388-deces-dus-a-la-grippe-en-france.html

In other news, the media loves a good old fashioned pandemic scare. Ebola 2013 says hello.

So since the new year we'd had Australian fires because the world is literally catching fire & we've had a Chinese flu pandemic whioch is going to kill everyone. Hollywood just can't compete.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I'm reading the flu statistics for France, i.e. on average around 2500 people die each year from the flu. But, in winter 2014, the number was 18300! https://www.planetoscope.com/mortalite/1388-deces-dus-a-la-grippe-en-france.html

In other news, the media loves a good old fashioned pandemic scare. Ebola 2013 says hello.

So since the new year we'd had Australian fires because the world is literally catching fire & we've had a Chinese flu pandemic whioch is going to kill everyone. Hollywood just can't compete.

This is what us humans do between Nintendo Directs

 

[vpance]

The mindset is like this:
1) You realize the Western propaganda in full control within the mainstream media, which many believe without critical thinking or full research.
2) You realize that the capitalist elites whom the American populist are starting to despise are funding the propaganda against the Chinese government
3) You realize most of the fear, animosity, and hatred towards China is not so much what the Chinese government did or did not do.... but it lies in the way Western mainstream media framed the stories, and the insecurity with the rise of a 'foreign' power.
4) Once you remove the moral complexities behind events such as Tiananmen square, Xinjiang, and the recent Hong Kong protests... you get people wanting to kill Mainlanders and wipe out the Chinese race for 'freedom' and 'human rights'... or the removal of the Chinese government just because they are not in the control of certain capitalist elites.
5) Once someone realizes these issues, it is hard not to defend try to defend China just to balance the world a bit more (in a way that hopefully promotes more critical thinking and empathy), unless you are really just in it for protecting one's own privilege and wealth.

I am Chinese Canadian, born and raised in Canada, speaks Cantonese, learning Mandarin. I was never a strong defender of China until after having lived in China for the past few years and realizing the pure propaganda of the Western mainstream media machine regarding Xinjiang and the Hong Kong protests. Of course, my ethnic identity makes me a bit biased as well... but I do not think I am brainwashed nor am I unreasonable. Hong Kong identity is complicated because they adopted the snobby from British culture and put themselves on a pedestal... but the real problem is the inequality, stress, and the crazy housing prices. Then again the population in the Mainland is also complex, they are imbalanced due to the introduction of money and the greed within the general population that comes from that. The government wants to promote traditional Chinese culture and values now, but people want to make money and are becoming superficial due to the effect of capitalism on the population.

I am not saying China is perfect. A percentage of China is also very nationalistic and a bit racist as well (from poorer, more rural area especially) , similar to the side of America people like to make fun of. However, this attitude will take some time to change, just as the culture of the West was not like this before. But you have to understand that the fear and hatred towards China is in large part just social conditioning from growing up in a society that is controlled by the Western capitalist paradigm. Hell, even Resetera I suspect is funded by the capitalist elites in the West to make sure young people are anti-China based on how they moderate and ban people while cultivating the extreme left SJW crowd. Sorry, I studied mass communication / journalism.

*insert wumao, CCP defender, fascist totalitarian authoritarian!! messages here*

If there really was a western anti-China propaganda agenda we would be hearing about Uighurs and the concentration camps a lot more than we do, which is very little.

The fact of the matter is the western left which controls everything mainstream, idolizes communist socialist ideologies and regularly use Maoist tactics to achieve their goals. They basically want us to become more like China.

China defenders always come at it as a simple east vs west thing which is a complete misread on the situation.

 

[Ornlu]

I'm looking for a better discussion than a dismissive point from you. He's clearly stated he's born Canadian but of Chinese heritage and that gives him a perspective of both sides. all you've got is #fuckchina. Do better.

Oh please. Get off your soapbox. All I said was that his argument of 'the west is totes full of propaganda guys, china is so much better' isn't persuasive. If you think that's a 'perspective of both sides', that's on you for being naïve. I didn't comment on anything else from his post, thanks. I don't see anywhere I posted "#fuckchina", either.

If you have a point beyond wagging your finger at me over nothing, by all means go for it.

imagine leaving your livelihood behind to go back to your birth country because of this kind of thing.

I dunno if I would have left, some have stayed to save their businesses but yeah hard choice

We've got 2 people in my company right now who have planned trips to go back to their birth countries in SE Asia in the next month. Both of them are going to potentially not going to be able to come home after without quarantine. What a hell of a decision. I feel for everybody that's got to make hard choices because of this mess.

 

[Croatoan]

I would like to talk to everyone about n95 masks and why, if you can't find them, its not that big of a deal.

For my day job I am a Safety Administrator for a midstream oil and gas company. I don't know much about virology, or epidemiology, other than what I learned in college at Texas A&M University (BS in Biology). What I do know is respirators. Mostly due to all the hours of safety classes I have taken in order to get my accreditations.

The N95 masks that everyone is trying to buy is an okay mask for some basic stuff. Some medical professionals might be wearing them if they don't have access to better options. That said the n95 can only be effective if it is used 100% correctly, but, unfortunately, almost nobody can do that thanks to their cheap design and/or user error. If you have n95s you need to make sure that
- they have the right accreditation from NIOSH (NIOSH Approved)
- that you know the exact procedure to get them on or its useless
- that you find someway to get fit tested otherwise they are useless
- that you shave every morning
- that you are aware they will make it harder to breath
- Always dispose, never reuse.

Even if you do all of those things the n95 probably wont keep you from catching an illness by itself. You will need eye protection as well as gloves.

A better option is a full respirator with cartridges designed to keep viral particles out.

These are usually around $400-700 and will protect your eyes as well. You will still need to be fit tested or they are basically worthless as well. Also, you will have to sterilize it after every use and make sure you have enough cartridges as they go out. As great as these are you will still probably get infected, most likely when you clean the mask.

Half masks are also an option, cheaper, but they will not protect your eyes. Fit testing and all that are needed for these as well.

So whats the point?

Well, my point is that buying these and using them probably wont keep you safe. Instead n95s should be put on sick people to keep them from spreading the disease.

The best way to not get this thing is to stay at home and only go out if you absolutely have to. When you do go out do not get closer than 2m to anyone else and don't share an enclosed space with anyone. Always wash your hands before touching yourself in any way. Do not use public restrooms, and do not eat food that hasn't been in your house for a few days. An n95 will generally only make you feel better, but it wont keep you from getting sick.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

Are you guys starting to stack up on supplies?

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

I would like to talk to everyone about n95 masks and why, if you can't find them, its not that big of a deal.

For my day job I am a Safety Administrator for a midstream oil and gas company. I don't know much about virology, or epidemiology, other than what I learned in college at Texas A&M University (BS in Biology). What I do know is respirators. Mostly due to all the hours of safety classes I have taken in order to get my accreditations.

The N95 masks that everyone is trying to buy is an okay mask for some basic stuff. Some medical professionals might be wearing them if they don't have access to better options. That said the n95 can only be effective if it is used 100% correctly, but, unfortunately, almost nobody can do that thanks to their cheap design and/or user error. If you have n95s you need to make sure that
- they have the right accreditation from NIOSH (NIOSH Approved)
- that you know the exact procedure to get them on or its useless
- that you find someway to get fit tested otherwise they are useless
- that you shave every morning
- that you are aware they will make it harder to breath
- Always dispose, never reuse.

Even if you do all of those things the n95 probably wont keep you from catching an illness by itself. You will need eye protection as well as gloves.

A better option is a full respirator with cartridges designed to keep viral particles out.

These are usually around $400-700 and will protect your eyes as well. You will still need to be fit tested or they are basically worthless as well. Also, you will have to sterilize it after every use and make sure you have enough cartridges as they go out. As great as these are you will still probably get infected, most likely when you clean the mask.

Half masks are also an option, cheaper, but they will not protect your eyes. Fit testing and all that are needed for these as well.

So whats the point?

Well, my point is that buying these and using them probably wont keep you safe. Instead n95s should be put on sick people to keep them from spreading the disease.

The best way to not get this thing is to stay at home and only go out if you absolutely have to. When you do go out do not get closer than 2m to anyone else and don't share an enclosed space with anyone. Always wash your hands before touching yourself in any way. Do not use public restrooms, and do not eat food that hasn't been in your house for a few days. An n95 will generally only make you feel better, but it wont keep you from getting sick.

Dude, we get that you're kinda freaking out about this whole thing but you shouldn't just shut down the talk of using masks and make everything a "game over man, game overrr" scenario.

Will a mask protect you 100%? No, nothing is 100%. Will it significantly decrease the amount of particles you are breathing in? Yeah it will. Not to mention how it will also significantly reduce the particles being expelled by everyone else if they are wearing a mask. Considering how it has been shown to be asymptomatically spread it would be a good idea for everyone to be wearing masks as you may be shedding the virus without even knowing it. Wearing a mask will reduce exposure on all sides.

 

[10000]

no recent news?

 

[Croatoan]

Dude, we get that you're kinda freaking out about this whole thing but you shouldn't just shut down the talk of using masks and make everything a "game over man, game overrr" scenario.

Will a mask protect you 100%? No, nothing is 100%. Will it significantly decrease the amount of particles you are breathing in? Yeah it will. Not to mention how it will also significantly reduce the particles being expelled by everyone else if they are wearing a mask. Considering how it has been shown to be asymptomatically spread it would be a good idea for everyone to be wearing masks as you may be shedding the virus without even knowing it. Wearing a mask will reduce exposure on all sides.

I am not actually freaking out at all? In fact my anxiety level over the virus right now is very low. I am just the type of person that prepares for the worst all of the time (its my job to do this). I also didn't say not to wear a mask, I said if you can't get them its not THAT big of a deal, and if you have them make sure you are using them correctly or they won't work at all.

I never said game over either? I have warned about a short period of economic distress and cautioned people to get supplies.

If you think you know better than someone who's job it is to make sure others are safe then fuck it, do whatever you want. I have little time for people like you. Good luck.

 

[sinnergy]

Are you guys starting to stack up on supplies?

Been stocking up for my 3 person family as of Monday, masks, googles, torchlights? Gloves, vinegar for cloth washing, batteries better save than sorrow, I have 1 job to do

 

[jason10mm]

So I have a cruise in a couple of months. Go/no go? I suspect it will be totally normal (ie just regular old Norwalk virus to worry about) but I wonder if the ship will either be empty or loaded with po'folk because the cruise line had to bottom out prices to get people on board after lots of early cancellations due to panic.

Am I already dead????

 

[vpance]

I would like to talk to everyone about n95 masks and why, if you can't find them, its not that big of a deal.

For my day job I am a Safety Administrator for a midstream oil and gas company. I don't know much about virology, or epidemiology, other than what I learned in college at Texas A&M University (BS in Biology). What I do know is respirators. Mostly due to all the hours of safety classes I have taken in order to get my accreditations.

The N95 masks that everyone is trying to buy is an okay mask for some basic stuff. Some medical professionals might be wearing them if they don't have access to better options. That said the n95 can only be effective if it is used 100% correctly, but, unfortunately, almost nobody can do that thanks to their cheap design and/or user error. If you have n95s you need to make sure that
- they have the right accreditation from NIOSH (NIOSH Approved)
- that you know the exact procedure to get them on or its useless
- that you find someway to get fit tested otherwise they are useless
- that you shave every morning
- that you are aware they will make it harder to breath
- Always dispose, never reuse.

Even if you do all of those things the n95 probably wont keep you from catching an illness by itself. You will need eye protection as well as gloves.

A better option is a full respirator with cartridges designed to keep viral particles out.

These are usually around $400-700 and will protect your eyes as well. You will still need to be fit tested or they are basically worthless as well. Also, you will have to sterilize it after every use and make sure you have enough cartridges as they go out. As great as these are you will still probably get infected, most likely when you clean the mask.

Half masks are also an option, cheaper, but they will not protect your eyes. Fit testing and all that are needed for these as well.

So whats the point?

Well, my point is that buying these and using them probably wont keep you safe. Instead n95s should be put on sick people to keep them from spreading the disease.

The best way to not get this thing is to stay at home and only go out if you absolutely have to. When you do go out do not get closer than 2m to anyone else and don't share an enclosed space with anyone. Always wash your hands before touching yourself in any way. Do not use public restrooms, and do not eat food that hasn't been in your house for a few days. An n95 will generally only make you feel better, but it wont keep you from getting sick.

Out of curiosity I checked out a few half masks the other day. I wonder if the filters could be disinfected and reused at all, particularly the rounded non-cartridge ones.

The replacement filter options for these masks are getting as expensive as the N95s.

 

[Doczu]

Are you guys starting to stack up on supplies?

Still no (known) cases in Poland. Once news hits about first case i'm going to start stocking on some supplies. 2 week food for, my wife and kid.

no recent news?

Still a few hours till we get China numbers.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

L

Out of curiosity I checked out a few half masks the other day. I wonder if the filters could be disinfected and reused at all, particularly the rounded non-cartridge ones.

The replacement filter options for these masks are getting as expensive as the N95s.

They arent reusable. The fibers in the filters are electrostatically charged to trap particles. When it gets wet that is destroyed.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

I am not actually freaking out at all? In fact my anxiety level over the virus right now is very low. I am just the type of person that prepares for the worst all of the time (its my job to do this). I also didn't say not to wear a mask, I said if you can't get them its not THAT big of a deal, and if you have them make sure you are using them correctly or they won't work at all.

I never said game over either? I have warned about a short period of economic distress and cautioned people to get supplies.

If you think you know better than someone who's job it is to make sure others are safe then fuck it, do whatever you want. I have little time for people like you. Good luck.

I deal with n95 masks and p100 respirators regularly in my job so I am aware of their pros and cons. Your reply came off like masks were useless but perhaps I took the reply wrong my bad.

 

[vpance]

L


They arent reusable. The fibers in the filters are electrostatically charged to trap particles. When it gets wet that is destroyed.

Wetting them is a no go for sure.

Maybe baking them in a stove could suffice? From what I read temps of 130-150C for a few mins is sufficient to kill off anything there.

 

[Sakura]

Are you guys starting to stack up on supplies?

Of course not. Funny seeing the people come in my store spending hundreds of dollars on useless masks though.

 

[12Goblins]

Ya people are out of their minds. Or, rather, they should be acting like this all the time ^^

I went to target and everyone is wiping their shit down xD never seen that before

Post above about the masks is right. You're wasting your time, and they should be placed on sick people

 

[nush]

Are you guys starting to stack up on supplies?

Of course, but I'm always prepared anyway.

 

[cryptoadam]

My boss trip to Thailand in April was cancelled.

Fucking Corona virus fucking me over. When the cats away the mice will play, but that aint going away.

 

[Croatoan]

Out of curiosity I checked out a few half masks the other day. I wonder if the filters could be disinfected and reused at all, particularly the rounded non-cartridge ones.

The replacement filter options for these masks are getting as expensive as the N95s.

The filters can be used as long as they are still viable. They do wear out though.

From google:

The general rule for filter replacement is to leave the contaminated area and dispose of the filter if it becomes damaged, soiled, or breathing becomes difficult. Even if none of these things happen, it's recommended to dispose of filters after 40 hours of use or 30 days, whichever comes first.

Also a pdf from 3m

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/447121O/filter-change-out-brochure.pdf

The n95 "White face masks" are not reusable and should be thrown away. I repeat they are not reusable.

 

[008]

American, United, and delta suspends flights to China

 

[Croatoan]

I deal with n95 masks and p100 respirators regularly in my job so I am aware of their pros and cons. Your reply came off like masks were useless but perhaps I took the reply wrong my bad.

Hey its no problem, I can sorta see why you thought I was doom and gloom as well.

I should clarify that if you have the masks it doesn't hurt to use them as long as you are using them correctly. The issue is a lot of people will put them on and think they are invincible and take risks they should not.

So to further clarify.

Even if you are wearing an n95 mask, and think you have it on 100% correct with a perfect seal, then you still need to keep at least 2 meters from anyone else in public and follow all of the other procedures outline by the cdc (wear eyewear, wash your hands, don't touch your face, etc).

 

[keraj37]

That is CyberPanda reading this thread now

 

[Ma-Yuan]

Some real scary shit here and the implications can't be determined yet.

Hope it's not true. But the guy seems authentic.

Eric Feigl-Ding

scholar.harvard.edu

 

[Skyfox]

UK case happened a fairly public looking location:

Facebook Twitter and other social media are removing user content:

 

[Croatoan]

Some real scary shit here and the implications can't be determined yet.

Hope it's not true. But the guy seems authentic.

Eric Feigl-Ding

scholar.harvard.edu

So does that mean it is man made? I am not sure I follow.

 

[diffusionx]

So does that mean it is man made? I am not sure I follow.

Yes, like it's a bioweapon that got out. Apparently Wuhan has a virus research lab.

 

[GHG]

So does that mean it is man made? I am not sure I follow.

Yep.



More research will be needed obviously but if this is true then its highly suspicious.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[SirKicksalot]

Airborne AIDS lmao

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

If China actually infected themselves with a man-made virus, say 再见 to China as a world trading power without an extensive overhaul with direct international oversight.

 

[Croatoan]

Yep.



More research will be needed obviously but if this is true then its highly suspicious.

If this is true then holy fucking shit China is fucked. The ramifications on trade, and relations would be unheard of. Which is terrifying to think of because the CCP in a death spiral is still a CCP with nukes.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Good thing our politicians took border protection seriously.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Yep.



More research will be needed obviously but if this is true then its highly suspicious.

BIG IF TRUE.

LARGE ASSUMING FACTUAL.

GIGANTIC PENDING CONFIRMATION.


Oof.

 

[Skyfox]

So official infected number is under 10K in China right now but is it being limited by test kit availability?

This next screenshot is a seperate "report" from a local guy on the ground in the area (not official, not a reporter) but he mentions 10K testkits. That number is unverified but if it was true it would obviously affect the number of confirmed infected cases.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

So official infected number is under 10K in China right now but is it being limited by test kit availability?

This next screenshot is a seperate "report" from a local guy on the ground in the area (not official, not a reporter) but he mentions 10K testkits. That number is unverified but if it was true it would obviously affect the number of confirmed infected cases.

 

[10000]

damn, so no official numbers provided by today?

also I think it is kinda dumb to built a virus research center / secret bioweapon facility in huge dense population area that supposed to be a hub city

 

[Ma-Yuan]

I think the HIV thing is true. At the beginning of the week China already reported to use hiv drugs to treat the virus. I was wondering why that would make sense and why they get the idea to use this. But the gen analysis nails it then. Fuck

 

[Captain Zyrain]

damn, so no official numbers provided by today?

also I think it is kinda dumb to built a virus research center / secret bioweapon facility in huge dense population area that supposed to be a hub city

Chiner has yet to give the normally released numbers, could be late, maybe there is no one left..

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Santa Clara County confirms first case of coronavirus

This is the first case in the county and the first known case in the Bay Area.

www.kron4.com

 

[GAMETA]

 

[GAMETA]

that's how it all started, boys:

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Coincidence if true?

 

[Croatoan]

damn, so no official numbers provided by today?

also I think it is kinda dumb to built a virus research center / secret bioweapon facility in huge dense population area that supposed to be a hub city

Not when you are trying to keep it from getting MOABed. Governments have a long history of putting bases near civilians to keep them from being attacked.

 

[MrRogers]

If this turns out to be a bioweapon gone astray, i hope thats the final curtain call for globalism and the return of localized nationalism, the free movement of the masses of people in the world and excessive global trade will have brought this fate unto itself.

Also, China deserves to be shut out from the rest of the world in all aspects if the wuhan virus is found to be one of their toys gone rogue.

 

[Breakage]

Here in London, it feels as if people are too laid back about this. Most people I've spoken to are joking about it. I mean it's airborne and spreads easily, it has a two week incubation period, and there is no vaccine or cure. That sounds quite bad.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Update should be coming soon.

 

[sinnergy]

Here in London, it feels as if people are too laid back about this. Most people I've spoken to are joking about it. I mean it's airborne and spreads easily, it has a two week incubation period, and there is no vaccine or cure. That sounds quite bad.

It is but it’s better to ignore .... until it hits them or people they love, then they talk differently... better prepare / water/disinfectant soup/gloves/masks/vinegar to wash clothes/glasses / flash lights / canned food ... all inexpensive better save than sorrow.

I have a 3 year old boy, if you become parent , you’ll understand it better... I was more mellow years back.