Outrunner
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You do realise that in case of doubt about how recent the infection is we use antigen and antibody tests to figure out if the person is stil contagious or not.
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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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You do realise that in case of doubt about how recent the infection is we use antigen and antibody tests to figure out if the person is stil contagious or not.
Joe T.
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That would be beautiful if it were true in 100% of cases. It's not at all how this testing process has worked. Governments have instead gone in the complete opposite direction and have even determined that anyone that came into close contact with a person testing positive is automatically deemed a case as well. This is as true in liberal Montreal as it is in conservative Texas.
well look like Germany has gone completly stupid.
We now have a law that does not allow us to move from a certain radius of 15 KM if the certain Place you live goes over a certain level of infections
HOWEVER:
You can still go 50KM to work ina Full train
This of course only is active for people living in these areas. So they can not leave but others can still go to them. So basically my friend can not visit me but i could visit him
Menawhile we want toopen schools again in a week so yeah...
Fun this was already active in Sachsen but it did not work at all. The number in sachsen went even further.
I think a toast has more intelligence than our current Government
Meanwhile it has been like 14 days since we started the vaccination process. So far less than 300k People got their first shot. And we are already struggling with not having enough XD
Isreal for example has already done 30% of their population.
We now have a law that does not allow us to move from a certain radius of 15 KM if the certain Place you live goes over a certain level of infections
HOWEVER:
You can still go 50KM to work ina Full train
This of course only is active for people living in these areas. So they can not leave but others can still go to them. So basically my friend can not visit me but i could visit him
Menawhile we want toopen schools again in a week so yeah...
Fun this was already active in Sachsen but it did not work at all. The number in sachsen went even further.
I think a toast has more intelligence than our current Government
Meanwhile it has been like 14 days since we started the vaccination process. So far less than 300k People got their first shot. And we are already struggling with not having enough XD
Isreal for example has already done 30% of their population.
MisterFalcon
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Until a test is devised that can reliably indicate if a person is infectious or not you err on the side of caution. No current test can do that, they can only provide some probabilities.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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DeepBreath87
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I realize that. I got this one. But I want to see it work. Trials are nice but this thing needs to have a real, definite impact on the spread of the virus in a large population. I’m not saying it won’t. I just want to see it happen.
Outrunner
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Sorry to hear it, hope they will recover fast.
cryptoadam
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Well I live in Canada so of course I am going to be fixated on it.
Our government is doing a shit job. They keep doing the same thing over and over again and it isn't working.
But hey I get to continue WFH for probably the next 6-12 months so in the end I can't complain. Maybe its a bad attitude to have while others are going broke, losing a year of their lives, and dying from the effects of lockdown. I made another post where the excess deaths for those under 45 is not covid related. There was like 1300 of em, and only 50 were from COVID.
People are going to die, just like people die from AIDS, Malaria, and the Flu. Thats life maybe its cold to say that but its reality. We aren't gods we can't control nature. What we ask is our leadership do what we elected them to do and keep people safe, and in Canada they are not doing that. So why should I continue to listen to people who are clearly idiots and don't know jack shit. We even had a health minister say themselves she doesn't look at her papers and just reads what other people wrote for her.
So ya if these measures were actually doing anything I wouldn't complain, but they clearly aren't.
Joe T.
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$1,500+ fines for not wearing a mask is not erring on the side of caution.
Arrests for visiting a friend/family member's house is not erring on the side of caution.
Mass disruption to the lives of billions, tens of millions of which have been thrown into severe poverty, is not erring on the side of caution.
Double checking the findings of a positive test is erring on the side of caution.
Jtibh
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Which hospital is collapsing.
Cuz it aint the foothills.
I know for fact. Wify works there.
Chittagong
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After Vitamin D, next thing get an CGM and make sure your blood glucose is healthy. Mine was shit, managed to bring it to optimal in the last 2 months.
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Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
BROWNS FINALLY MAKE THE PLAYOFFS AFTER TWO DECADES AND THEN SUDDENLY
www.cbsnews.com
Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski tests positive for COVID-19, will miss team's first playoff game since 2002
The Browns are scheduled to play against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday.
www.cbsnews.com
Joe T.
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After Vitamin D, next thing get an CGM and make sure your blood glucose is healthy. Mine was shit, managed to bring it to optimal in the last 2 months.
Controlling your blood sugar is good health advice, but the issues described here with covid are identical to the flu. The silver lining to covid's 24/7 coverage is that maybe a few more people will take notice of such details and take better care of themselves, not that I've seen a great deal of that yet. "But losing weight takes months!" they say as we're nearing a year into this mess.
And because I know the resident, fact-averse trolls get triggered by the comparison to the flu:
cryptoadam
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But didn't you see Cosmos cover? Being fat is healthy now. Don't let anyone tell you being fat is bad for your health there is no evidence of that.
diffusionx
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BROWNS FINALLY MAKE THE PLAYOFFS AFTER TWO DECADES AND THEN SUDDENLY
Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski tests positive for COVID-19, will miss team's first playoff game since 2002
The Browns are scheduled to play against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday.
If I ran a NFL team I seriously would have set up a low key rona party in August and got it over with.
FunkMiller
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Disease name:
Covid 19 (coronavirus identification 19)
Virus name:
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus 2.
It is SARS.
It‘s far more deadly than SARS CoV or MERS CoV because its transmissibility is waaay higher. Far more people die of Covid 19.
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DeepBreath87
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It’s SARS in classification. But notice the “2”. SARS refers to a specific virus from over a decade ago. That virus was significantly more deadly but less infectious.
FunkMiller
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More deadly on an individual basis, virtually harmless on a mass basis due to its lack of transmissibility.
Evilore was correct when he called it SARS. Covid is genetically very closely related to the 2003 disease.
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FunkMiller
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That sucks. My very best wishes to all of them for a speedy recovery. I have three friends with relatives in hospital right now, one (43 years old and otherwise healthy) who required life saving measures due to severe blood clots on the lungs. I am eternally glad none of my family live in London with me.
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Chittagong
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Shit. That sounds terrible. I managed to escape London early December. The numbers and news I am seeing from there look absolutely mental, although I need to remind myself that media was probably the reason why my family was much more freaked about me being in London for lockdown than I was.
belmarduk
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My god. What an incredibly douchey post. Even for you. ManaByte is one of the best-known and most prolific GAFfers he has no reason to lie to you.
FunkMiller
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Yep, it’s pretty awful. You did well to get out. I’m not particularly worried for myself as the chances of me getting a severe case are low, but I’m being careful, because I would still rather avoid the risk. A lot more young people are getting hit hard with this variant.
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ManaByte
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I have about 9 family members and extended family members with it, most are having the worst time with it. And then I've lost count of how many co-workers are out on leave with it. A few just came back and described the nightmare having it was, and another person in the company at a different location in the area died from it.
I'm double masking this week and continuing taking D3, C, and Zinc and just being as careful as possible.
ManaByte
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M1chl
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That's strange, I've been told that below 5 is fine...like outside of Covid...and above is bad. Is this what comes from Glucose meter or is it in other units?After Vitamin D, next thing get an CGM and make sure your blood glucose is healthy. Mine was shit, managed to bring it to optimal in the last 2 months.
Birgitte2004-2
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ManaByte has no reason to lie, but the people who are telling his family they have COVID-19 have a lot of reason to lie, not the least of which is that the test is so sensitive it will detect COVID where it doesn't really exist.
His entire family could be passing around a severe flu and nothing changes, but they aren't checking for the Flu right now, because COVID. In fact it's more likely to be the flu if they are all young and having problems with it, because as we now know the Flu is more dangerous to younger people than COVID is.
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ManaByte
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This isn't the flu. They lose their sense of taste and smell, and have trouble breathing to the point where they can't sleep. Again, they say it's like an asthma attack that won't end.
belmarduk
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I'm so sorry, bro. I wish the best for you and your family.
DeepBreath87
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I’m sorry, but that’s a fucking joke. What the fuck kind of health system do they have? For anyone who isn’t aware, large hospitals have a large supply of liquid oxygen that literally will be millions of liters of O2 when it is dispensed at room temperate. Also, many people are sent home with O2 concentrators rather than tanks these days. Tanks are generally only used for transport because concentrators need to be plugged in. There could be a shortage on concentrators.
However, tanks are easily refilled and it takes no time at all. If there are actually hospitals running out of fucking oxygen, it is not hard to get massive amounts wherever and whenever you need it.
This is either bullshit or incompetence on a scale I have a hard time wrapping my head around.
Seriously. Hospitals have so much O2 that they waste thousands of liters a day in leaks or flow meters not being turn off all the way. That article is trash.
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diffusionx
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Los Angeles hospitals are overwhelmed? Setting up tents? When I have heard this one before?
www.latimes.com
Oh.
California hospitals face a 'war zone' of flu patients — and are setting up tents to treat them
California hospitals have had to scramble for more space and staff to keep up with the high numbers of patients showing up in the ER sick with a deadly strain of the flu.
www.latimes.com
Oh.
ManaByte
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Mayor Yoga Pants
DeepBreath87
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This would fall more on hospital administrators actually. And it’s just complete horse shit. That article is at least 40% made up garbage. I don’t care if it’s the Washington Post. It’s shit. This:
Is fucking not a real thing. They may be turning patients away for other reasons. But “air flow” is not one of them. Oxygen is used for all kinds of industrial purposes as well. It’s easy to get massive quantities. If any hospital in the US were actually unable to take patients because they were running out of oxygen, every single administrator should be fired immediately.
diffusionx
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LA: We've run out of oxygen
Me: just breathe lmao
Me: just breathe lmao
DeepBreath87
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It seriously just blows me away that would be printed in a major newspaper. I can’t get over it. Anyone who knows anything about how oxygen works would know that’s insane. Like if that were a real thing, the story wouldn’t be covid. The story would be that the hospital this is happening at is run by fucking chimpanzees.
Dude, they are literally flying in military technicians to increase the capacity of their oxygen systems.
Also here is a link to said EMS directive:
Also here is a link to said EMS directive:
DeepBreath87
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That is the delivery system. The pipes in the walls of old hospitals. Not the oxygen itself. When you’re expanding bed capacity, you’ll need to build more pipes to supply those beds. No one is running out of oxygen. Period. Refilling tanks is a man power thing. It’s not hard and just requires people.
The article is crap. There is no shortage of oxygen anywhere in the US. A liter of liquid O2, which allowed to evaporate and depressurize to around 1atm is like 857L. These hospitals have thousands of liters of liquid 02. California may need to fix a few old hospitals or fill up some tanks, but there is no oxygen shortage.
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diffusionx
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It’s LA so sounds right
seems like the sort of thing they could have worked on when there were practically no cases in the summer, but they were too focused on browbeating old boomers into wearing masks
in general it just shows how insane this all is when you have hospitals crying about this shit when they were talking about this “second wave” as recently as March or April
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Chaplain
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This does seem the direction the world is being compelled to go into. China knows exactly what happened, what they did, and that they are now in a position that almost makes them untouchable. They are the world's bully working on a 100-year world domination plan that will have many casualties along their path to victory. Very few academics understand this, which does not bold well for politicians that lack the knowledge, wisdom, and historical insights required to discern what China is doing.
diffusionx
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We've all know this from the beginning, the bat soup shit was just a lie like everything else they've been telling us.
MetalAlien
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Ok i'll bite.... In the past year I haven't heard one person in real life that had more than what they thought might be something like the flu they think. All the people in my shop that tested positive had no symptoms at all or minor dry throat/headaches whatever. I talk to people all day on my route, and we have about 70 employees at the shop that all go out in public each day. No one has had a hard time with this and we do talk about it.... because the whole fucking world is talking about.
No one in my family has had a hard time with it or know anyone who has that I have heard about as yes we talk about it because the whole world talks about it.
No one of my friends either and yes we blah blah blah....
The only place I hear about people "taking this hard" is on the internet or TV.
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
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China blocks WHO entry to Wuhan.
Pathetic that since July China has blocked the WHO investigation team. Beyond pathetic the world over isn't backlashing en masse about it.
Pathetic that since July China has blocked the WHO investigation team. Beyond pathetic the world over isn't backlashing en masse about it.
Outrunner
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COVID research updates: A vaccine works quickly to ward off COVID-19
An RNA-based vaccine recently approved by US regulators can provide protection against COVID-19 within two weeks of the first dose, according to the results of a large clinical trial.
Genomic evidence for reinfection with SARS-CoV-2: a case study
Genetic discordance of the two SARS-CoV-2 specimens was greater than could be accounted for by short-term in vivo evolution. These findings suggest that the patient was infected by SARS-CoV-2 on two separate occasions by a genetically distinct virus. Thus, previous exposure to SARS-CoV-2 might not guarantee total immunity in all cases. All individuals, whether previously diagnosed with COVID-19 or not, should take identical precautions to avoid infection with SARS-CoV-2. The implications of reinfections could be relevant for vaccine development and application.
An RNA-based vaccine recently approved by US regulators can provide protection against COVID-19 within two weeks of the first dose, according to the results of a large clinical trial.
Genomic evidence for reinfection with SARS-CoV-2: a case study
Genetic discordance of the two SARS-CoV-2 specimens was greater than could be accounted for by short-term in vivo evolution. These findings suggest that the patient was infected by SARS-CoV-2 on two separate occasions by a genetically distinct virus. Thus, previous exposure to SARS-CoV-2 might not guarantee total immunity in all cases. All individuals, whether previously diagnosed with COVID-19 or not, should take identical precautions to avoid infection with SARS-CoV-2. The implications of reinfections could be relevant for vaccine development and application.
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arkhamguy123
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I am by no means a conspiracy guy but I've been tracking this beat for beat since March and have done ample research. I would not rule out the lab thing. In fact if you were to ask me I would say thats the most likely answer. Only wrench in the theory is they found traces of it in Europe and America as early as last November. I think I read that somewhere.
Outrunner
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Will make sure to tell my patients to suck it up because some anon on an online board says it's just the flu.
xrnzaaas
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You guys surprised with China's reaction? Of course they're going to be blocking any investigations, arresting their citizens trying to speak up on the subject and most of all spending millions (billions?) on the misleading propaganda. 5-10 years from now people will not even remember the Wuhan name.
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