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Joe T. said:
It's always frustrating watching White House reporters take a combative, Jim Acosta-like approach with Trump. Everyone should realize by now that he has very little patience for that nonsense and he can see it coming from a mile away. They currently see these briefings as campaign rallies so they aim to sabotage them. Even during a pandemic these reporters can't stop viewing absolutely everything through a political lens.

Why does Playboy even get access to White House briefings?

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Most of them don't care about getting an answer or actual useful information. It's all about grandstanding and building a following with the woke crowd who will cheer them on on Twitter with "Slaaaaaay" memes.

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There are actually quite a few 'normal people' with YouTube channels who knew back in January that the WHO was incorrect about this virus.

If a regular citizen with a $100 internet subscription was able to predict almost everything that's happening now, then any government that argues 'the WHO didn't do its job' is basically saying they are, and were incompetent - and are now looking for a scapegoat.

My govt. here in Canada did not do its homework on this.
 
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With America plans to reopening in coming weeks, what do you guys think how will the economy situation of 2020 would look like?
A V-shape fast-pace recovery and continue the strong Trump economy: The recent stock market rally indicated that's common market's expectation.
A U-shape rather slow-pace recovery? JP Morgan predicts the 2nd session U.S GDP would be down 10-30% and recover 20-40% in the 3rd quarters and 4th quarters.
Or a great recession would probably as bad as 2008 one or even worse one like IMF predicted.

And also, based on successful examples from Taiwan/South Korea/Vietnam, massive testing, contact tracing and isolation of infected are necessary for contain the spread of COV-19, do you guys support massively contact tracing policy adapted in the U.S before we have vaccine?
 
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Siri said:
There are actually quite a few 'normal people' with YouTube channels who knew back in January that the WHO was incorrect about this virus.

If a regular citizen with a $100 internet subscription was able to predict almost everything that's happening now, then any government that argues 'the WHO didn't do its job' is basically saying they are, and were incompetent - and are now looking for a scapegoat.

My govt. here in Canada did not do its homework on this.
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No country can go into drastic lockdown measures without strong evidence pointing to its necessity. It's why China's cover-up and the WHO's mishandling of this virus can't go unpunished, those several weeks in December and January could have gone a long way in minimizing this crisis.

I view this essentially boiling down to a battle of authoritarianism vs freedom with the entire world as its witness. I hope everyone keeps that in mind as their leaders propose ideas that continue chipping away at our liberty because what sounds good now may have our countries looking more like China a few years from now.
 
SushiReese said:
With America plans to reopening in coming weeks, what do you guys think how will the economy situation of 2020 would look like?
A V-shape fast-pace recovery and continue the strong Trump economy: The recent stock market rally indicated that's common market's expectation.
A U-shape rather slow-pace recovery? JP Morgan predicts the 2nd session U.S GDP would be down 10-30% and recover 20-40% in the 3rd quarters and 4th quarters.
Or a great recession would probably as bad as 2008 one or even worse one like IMF predicted.

And also, based on successful examples from Taiwan/South Korea/Vietnam, massive testing, contact tracing and isolation of infected are necessary for contain the spread of COV-19, do you guys support massively contact tracing policy adapted in the U.S before we have vaccine?
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Unfortunately, there's no chance of a V recovery, and we now have a concern that could eliminate any chance of avoiding a depression.

The big cities play a big role in the economy, and they won't be up and running that quickly. Even as states reopen, limited gatherings, and limited travel are going to limit economic growth.
 
Joe T. said:
No country can go into drastic lockdown measures without strong evidence pointing to its necessity. It's why China's cover-up and the WHO's mishandling of this virus can't go unpunished, those several weeks in December and January could have gone a long way in minimizing this crisis.

I view this essentially boiling down to a battle of authoritarianism vs freedom with the entire world as its witness. I hope everyone keeps that in mind as their leaders propose ideas that continue chipping away at our liberty because what sounds good now may have our countries looking more like China a few years from now.
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Oh they will get punished

 
Siri said:
There are actually quite a few 'normal people' with YouTube channels who knew back in January that the WHO was incorrect about this virus.

If a regular citizen with a $100 internet subscription was able to predict almost everything that's happening now, then any government that argues 'the WHO didn't do its job' is basically saying they are, and were incompetent - and are now looking for a scapegoat.

My govt. here in Canada did not do its homework on this.
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I think I'm harsh on leadership for that reason. We knew what was coming in late January, I think I even posted here that they lost containment at the lab in Wuhan, and we were concerned.

I was preparing to protect my family, and I saw every level of government going in the opposite direction. It was frustrating, it made me feel like I was alone, but I realize that I wasn't, and many around the world felt the same.

It would have taken a historically amazing leader to prevent us from reaching this place, but I don't think it's unfair to think that we should have been better prepared by now.

I had been really concerned about reactivation/reinfection, but news was quiet on that front for a while. Now we're hearing about it in 3 countries, It needs to be a major area of focus. China was first, they need to be open and upfront about this, because it could change everything. It's being dismissed as poor testing, or shedding that can't spread, but we were already too lax once, and we can't afford to do that again.
 
Not a SINGLE peep from SJWs and leftist media or MSM on China's very open racism and discrimination.
Meanwhile calling it the Wuhan virus or the Chinese virus, despite it literally coming from there, is somehow considered "racist"

 
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Somnium said:
Not a SINGLE peep from SJWs and leftist media or MSM on China's very open racism and discrimination.
Meanwhile calling it the Wuhan virus or the Chinese virus, despite it literally coming from there, is somehow considered "racist"

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Yep. Just one of many things that expose people during this pandemic.

Reasonable people see what's really going on and quietly judge the peanut gallery.
 
Somnium said:
Not a SINGLE peep from SJWs and leftist media or MSM on China's very open racism and discrimination.
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SJW's:

"Wait. We were wrong to defend China because of racists outside of China?"

Can't admit we were lacking nuance and context about that becuse we are too busy virtue singaling how NOT racist we are...
 
Jtibh said:
Oh they will get punished

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Hopefully something worthwhile comes of that Senate investigation. I have no such hope for the House investigation.

I have a nagging need to correct an unrelated portion of the video where they mistake Michigan state rep Karen Whitsett for congresswoman Rashida Tlaib around the 8 min mark. I watched that White House meeting today and if that had been Tlaib heads across the country would have exploded.
 
It's night here in Vancouver and I'm finally feeling relaxed after feeling anxious most of the day - even at work.

I'm about to eat my dinner. Some pasta and some beans. These moments now seem much more precious to me. Even the act of cooking my dinner means more to me now.

I hope the food chain doesn't conk out on us. I hadn't realized how much dinner means to me! I might become a foodie after this.
 
www.worldometers.info

Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,949,997 Cases and 2,852,987 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
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Big congratulations to China for kicking off a very successful pandemic
 
Shrap said:
www.worldometers.info

Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,949,997 Cases and 2,852,987 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info

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Big congratulations to China for kicking off a very successful pandemic
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Ironically, CCP is now the sole beneficiary of it, as China has gone back to manufacturing mode 100%.

Meanwhile the wall street is ready to lick CCP's ass again, as the top 3 portfolios in my investor's insight email from Morgan Stanley of April recommended all are knowingly connected with China's manufacturing giants like Foxconn or Alibaba. MS predicted that the de-globalization of manufacturing industries Trump started will be slowed down due to SARS-Cov-2, factories planning to move out from China now would have less incentive as China is the only country with a re-opened economy.

Who would have predicted this back in Jan?
 


So, good news, it didn't double FASTER than 500K -> 1M. It actually slowed worldwide down a not insignificant amount.

Bad news, it still got to 2 million, and I'd guess we'll see 3 million in the cards too, but maybe if we're lucky that'll take 2-3 weeks?

CFR straight across the board:

2,000,089 cases
126,755 deaths

CFR: 6.337%

Still yuck.
 
desertdroog said:
Bill Gates is welcome to step up if he feels it so necessary.
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To be fair, he is footing the second largest bill already, which means he also has a vested interest when commenting.

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I think a serious post mortem is required to how they got this so wrong, and whether it was malicious. This is literally the kind of thing WHO exists for. I fear however that just like with FIFA corruption, little will be discovered and nothing will change.

BBC has compiled a timeline of the initial WHO response:

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What the WHO did - and when
As we've mentioned, President Trump has said he will suspend US funding of the World Health Organization (WHO) while a review takes place into what he called the "severe mismanagement" of the crisis.
The new coronavirus - as we now know it - was reported to the WHO on 31 December. Here's a quick timeline of selected WHO action in the following month:
  • 4 January: Notes the outbreak on social media for the first time, referring to it as a "cluster of pneumonia cases"
  • 5 January: Publishes first outbreak news, with "no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission"
  • 10 January: Publishes first travel advice, with "no international restrictions recommended"
  • 14 January: WHO's technical lead for the response says there may have been limited human-to-human transmission
  • 20-21 January: WHO regional experts "conduct a brief field visit to Wuhan"
  • 22 January: Field visit statement "suggests that human-to-human transmission is taking place in Wuhan"
  • 22-23 January: WHO emergency committee fails to reach consensus on "whether the outbreak constituted a public health emergency of international concern"
  • 24 January: Second travel advice published, which notes upcoming Chinese New Year but "advises against the application of any restrictions of international traffic"
  • 27 January: Third travel advice published, which advises "measures to limit the risk of exportation...without unnecessary restrictions of international traffic"
  • 28 January: Senior WHO delegation led by the director general meets Chinese leadership in Beijing
  • 30 January: Emergency committee reconvenes and declares public health emergency of international concern
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Whittle, who in my estimation is more of a cynic than a conspiracy theorist, has been convinced at this point this is an accidently released designer bioweapon. Once accidently released, China sterilized the area, destroyed evidence, disappeared those needing disappearing, and decided if they were going to have it, the world needed to get it too in order to avoid them losing unnecessary power and intentionally allowed it to spread, even going so far as to compromise WHO to get the job done.

Edit to add: to be more specific, it was accidently released while still in early development. Not fully designed, no vaccine already developed, just an early strain. Accidental because if it was intentional they wpuldn't have let it loose in Wuhan. Designer due to all the evidence piling up.
 
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Chittagong said:
To be fair, he is footing the second largest bill already, which means he also has a vested interest when commenting.

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I think a serious post mortem is required to how they got this so wrong, and whether it was malicious. This is literally the kind of thing WHO exists for. I fear however that just like with FIFA corruption, little will be discovered and nothing will change.

BBC has compiled a timeline of the initial WHO response:
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In this Jan 23 WHO news about confirmed human-to-human transmission risks:
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Statement on the meeting of the International Health Regulations (2005) Emergency Committee regarding the outbreak of novel coronavirus 2019 (n-CoV) on 23 January 2020

The meeting of the Emergency Committee convened by the WHO Director-General under the International Health Regulations (IHR) (2005) regarding the outbreak of novel coronavirus 2019 in the People’s Republic of China, with exportations currently reported in the Republic of Korea, Japan, Thailand...
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Human-to-human transmission is occurring and a preliminary R0 estimate of 1.4-2.5 was presented.
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This is a serious underestimate which put many countries off-guard.

Also HHS secretary Alex Azar is so timid and incompetent, not only he knew this from Jan 3 (earlier than Jan 4), he waited 2 weeks to tell Trump about it (Jan 18), and he intentionally picked a weekend when Trump was on a golf trip in Florida to phone Trump amid this impeachment bs, bad bad timing, so that later he can tell the media that "I told Trump a long time ago, but he didn't take it seriously."
 


There needs to be a stronger push around the world to find out what got this all started. It's already done a great deal of damage and its effects may linger on for years with Harvard now saying we could be social distancing until 2022.

www.sciencealert.com

Harvard Study Says We Could Need Bouts of Social Distancing Until 2022

A one-off lockdown won't halt the novel coronavirus and repeated periods of social distancing may be required into 2022 to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, Harvard scientists who modelled the pandemic's trajectory said Tuesday.
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Just the thought of that gets my blood boiling.
 
Captain Zyrain said:


So, good news, it didn't double FASTER than 500K -> 1M. It actually slowed worldwide down a not insignificant amount.

Bad news, it still got to 2 million, and I'd guess we'll see 3 million in the cards too, but maybe if we're lucky that'll take 2-3 weeks?

CFR straight across the board:

2,000,089 cases
126,755 deaths

CFR: 6.337%

Still yuck.
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3 million? We've probably already passed that mark. Try like 5-10mil people already infected right now.
 
What is the crucial difference between "Chinese are idiots who cannot handle viruses in a MAJOR VIRUS LAB" and "South China has tradition of eating wild animals, Honkong article from 2007 warned us that it is a time bomb"?

Well, if it's the former you kinda shouldn't complain they still trade meat of wild animals.

Setzer said:
Try like 5-10mil people already infected right now.
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Based on what?

Even countries with small number of infected and even fucking cruise liners register hard to ignore acute pneumonia cases, can we stop the "it's like a flu" song already?
 
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llien said:
What is the crucial difference between "Chinese are idiots who cannot handle viruses in a MAJOR VIRUS LAB" and "South China has tradition of eating wild animals, Honkong article from 2007 warned us that it is a time bomb"?

Well, if it's the former you kinda shouldn't complain they still trade meat of wild animals.


Based on what?

Even countries with small number of infected and even fucking cruise liners register hard to ignore acute pneumonia cases, can we stop the "it's like a flu" song already?
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Based on the fact that a large majority of people that get this are either asymptomatic or have mild conditions and never get tested. Are we to the point yet where we're testing everyone? Nope. So chances are there's actually 5mil or more in the world that has contracted this virus. Plus, we know China lied. There's no way they only had 80k cases.
 
llien said:
What is the crucial difference between "Chinese are idiots who cannot handle viruses in a MAJOR VIRUS LAB" and "South China has tradition of eating wild animals, Honkong article from 2007 warned us that it is a time bomb"?

Well, if it's the former you kinda shouldn't complain they still trade meat of wild animals.
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We absolutely should because they don't just trade in local wildlife, they poach animals from all over the world. Including endangered animals.

So even if COVID-19 came from a lab and not the market there is still good reason to stop it.
 
SushiReese said:
With America plans to reopening in coming weeks, what do you guys think how will the economy situation of 2020 would look like?
A V-shape fast-pace recovery and continue the strong Trump economy: The recent stock market rally indicated that's common market's expectation.
A U-shape rather slow-pace recovery? JP Morgan predicts the 2nd session U.S GDP would be down 10-30% and recover 20-40% in the 3rd quarters and 4th quarters.
Or a great recession would probably as bad as 2008 one or even worse one like IMF predicted.

And also, based on successful examples from Taiwan/South Korea/Vietnam, massive testing, contact tracing and isolation of infected are necessary for contain the spread of COV-19, do you guys support massively contact tracing policy adapted in the U.S before we have vaccine?
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IMF predictions are around 13% contraction atm but that's if the lockdown is lifted in a month any longer and the contraction will bigger. The finical crash was only a 0.1% contraction so the economic damage is going to be severe.

With the recovery it probably would be a distorted V shape with the recovery trend been slower. We probably are looking at a 10% permanent GDP loss across the board pre-Covid growth projections. In the US the Covid bail out package unfortunately has had all the big companies fingerprints all over it so by the time the small business owner gets to the pot there isn't that much left as the to big to fail banks etc have had their fill so the economic shock will be felt at the smaller end rather than watching the badly run banks collapse, which they should and should have collapsed in 08.
 
PrellboGark said:
"Orwell's vision of a horrible future, which was a boot stomping on a human face forever, is a utopian image because he assumed there would be resistance and human faces..."




I think this is lost in translation. A better English term instead of "reliable" would be "predictable".

China in its goals is very predictable. Authoritarian and brutal, but not irrational.
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Ok, I can get behind that :messenger_winking:
 
Setzer said:
Based on the fact that a large majority of people that get this are either asymptomatic or have mild conditions and never get tested.
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That is only case for countries overwhelmed with serious cases and short on tests.

It's not the case for either Germany or South Korea.

And last, but not leas,t it's totally not a case for Diamond Princess liner.

Setzer said:
So chances are there's actually...
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There are exactly zero chances of "just a flu" get out of the bubble.
 
llien said:
There are exactly zero chances of "just a flu" get out of the bubble.
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The common cold is from the Coronavirus family, along with SARS and MERS. The problem with this family is that there is yet to be a vaccine found.

"Just the flu" is actually a negative because chances of getting rid of it are in the near impossible range.

I'm starting to think herd immunity is the only path forward, that said it would kill off a large portion of the world and it may even be for nothing if it doesn't weaken it.

Interesting times ahead I guess...
 
bitbydeath said:
The common cold is from the Coronavirus family, along with SARS and MERS. The problem with this family is that there is yet to be a vaccine found.

"Just the flu" is actually a negative because chances of getting rid of it are in the near impossible range.

I'm starting to think herd immunity is the only path forward, that said it would kill off a large portion of the world and it may even be for nothing if it doesn't weaken it.

Interesting times ahead I guess...
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we may not find a vaccine, but we still have a chance, to find a drug that makes it less lethal.
 
Long NYT piece by an ER doc

When I walk through the hospital doors, the E.R. is a place I no longer recognize. Intubated patients, of every age, are on ventilators everywhere. It feels simultaneously electrifying and oppressive. But it's also eerily quiet. Family members and friends haven't been allowed into the E.R. for more than a week; most of the patients are too sick to talk; the few without breathing tubes who are able to cough are muffled by their masks. Oxygen hisses in the background. A couple of hours into my shift, one of the nurses comes to me. She falls apart, tears streaming down her inflamed, marked cheeks. She sobs out words of anger and frustration and sadness. The morning, on top of the last several days, has crushed her. I want to hug her, but I can't.

Soon after that, someone asks, "Doctor, is it OK to take the patient to the morgue?" The other physician on duty and I look at each other. The morgue? Who just died? Apparently, a patient who was waiting for an inpatient bed, whose family had decided against extreme resuscitative measures, had died, without us even knowing.
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In the early evening, toward the end of one shift, a woman with ash-blond hair in her 50s walks into the E.R. She converses with the nurse about her week of fever and cough, but while an EKG is being done, she suddenly becomes unresponsive. She loses her pulse. We shock her out of the irregular, rapid rhythm her heart is in, put a breathing tube down her throat and start drips of multiple IV medications to stimulate her heart and constrict her blood vessels. Later that night, I get a text from a colleague in her 60s, who had walked by during the resuscitation. "I have the sense that the world is ending," she writes. "The person you were coding was six years younger than me."

The next morning, as I'm getting ready for work, I panic: I might not have showered last night when I got home from the hospital. I try to retrace my actions but fail. I simply cannot recall. Did I just fall asleep? Am I infected? Should I change my sheets, scrub my apartment? But I have to get to the hospital for my shift. There's nothing I can do about this now. Better to be lucky.

When I arrive in the E.R., I look up the woman's electronic medical record from yesterday's shift. I badly want to be able to text back to my colleague that the patient is doing OK, that we'll all be OK. When I open her chart, a warning flashes across the computer screen: "You are entering the medical record of a deceased patient. Are you sure you want to proceed?" She barely made it to daybreak.
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I happened to have been assigned to work at one hospital for a chain of shifts, so I hadn't been inside one of our other hospitals in over a week. As soon as I open the E.R. doors there, I shrink from the sights and smells. Patients are now triple-bunked into single-person spaces, curtains pushed aside. In one room, three men, who appear to be in their 80s or so, are side by side in their stretchers, each one pulling at his oxygen mask, confused, their frail limbs swinging in the air. Some have sat in their own feces for a day. Puddles of urine have pooled around the wheels of some patients' stretchers. Nurses are out sick; the remaining ones are coping the best they can. I have gotten texts from colleagues about the chaos here, but I thought that those were just about one bad day, that they had already gone through the worst.
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www.nytimes.com

I’m an E.R. Doctor in New York. None of Us Will Ever Be the Same. (Published 2020)

A Covid diary: This is what I saw as the pandemic engulfed our hospitals.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Shrap said:
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Big congratulations to China for kicking off a very successful pandemic
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Chinese virus comfortably passing Pol Pot in the kill count for that number 7 spot. can Winnie the Pooh beat his former teammates record and go for number one?


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Somnium said:
Not a SINGLE peep from SJWs and leftist media or MSM on China's very open racism and discrimination.
Meanwhile calling it the Wuhan virus or the Chinese virus, despite it literally coming from there, is somehow considered "racist"

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The Kenyan's and Nigerians need to cut checks to the news corporations like the CCP. :pie_invert:
 
Azurro said:
Dude, can you tell me which country in Europe is opening its schools in two weeks? Is that where they are putting chips in our necks as well?
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UK schools have been open, for key workers, which is still a whole lot of people.

Everyone else? Have a dummy kid. :messenger_winking_tongue:
 
autoduelist said:
Whittle, who in my estimation is more of a cynic than a conspiracy theorist, has been convinced at this point this is an accidently released designer bioweapon.
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Yea I'm starting not really buy into that wet market shit either. Seems like such an easy scapegoat for the CCP, as to not draw any unwanted attention to their activities.
 
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