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cryptoadam said:
You need to click on USA and check it out based on state. A place like NY was is doing 30K test per Million, more than Italy and Germany. 26 states have done more test per million than SK.

So your 2nd paragraph is correct. USA has been doing more test per capita in hot spots and bigger area's, while less in others which brings its per million number down. NY has done more absolute tests than all of SK. I can see them passing Spain and Italy in a few weeks.
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That's my point exactly. Overall, our testing is technically lower per capita than some other states, but that sort of extensive testing doesn't make sense broadly across the United States. The US is far larger and more diverse than some people realize. There is a ridiculously huge difference between urban New York and rural Utah. Treating these two places the same is preposterous and would be a colossal waste of resources.
 
Sejan said:
That's my point exactly. Overall, our testing is technically lower per capita than some other states, but that sort of extensive testing doesn't make sense broadly across the United States. The US is far larger and more diverse than some people realize. There is a ridiculously huge difference between urban New York and rural Utah. Treating these two places the same is preposterous and would be a colossal waste of resources.
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That is exactly what the individual states did though. Imposed solutions for their big cities onto the rural areas.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
this was like 30 minutes of fuck China
I can't believe a whole news network is this dedicated to fuck China news

not that I'm complaining someone has to balance the Chairman but if you watch the whole thing sounds like the CCP is going to be the most hated leadership around the world unless they start cutting billion dollar checks.
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Smiles and Cries said:
this was like 30 minutes of fuck China
I can't believe a whole news network is this dedicated to fuck China news

not that I'm complaining someone has to balance the Chairman but if you watch the whole thing sounds like the CCP is going to be the most hated leadership around the world unless they start cutting billion dollar checks.
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dionysus said:
That is exactly what the individual states did though. Imposed solutions for their big cities onto the rural areas.
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My state has handled it relatively well, in my opinion. The governor and health department have issued statewide rulings, while allowing cities and other areas big enough to have their own health departments to issue additional rules as needed. Reopening is going to be handled similarly. The state has announced the beginning of lifting some of these rules while allowing those same cities (which are the only areas with any significant amount of cases) to lift them at a slower pace as necessary.

States like Michigan, on the other hand, made overzealous rules based on the situation of a few cities while ignoring that large parts of the state are essentially untouched.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
this was like 30 minutes of fuck China
I can't believe a whole news network is this dedicated to fuck China news

not that I'm complaining someone has to balance the Chairman but if you watch the whole thing sounds like the CCP is going to be the most hated leadership around the world unless they start cutting billion dollar checks.
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I know what you mean. I pretty much have to balance all sources of news and just make my own decisions by talking to people. It's hard to find something that doesn't have a strict agenda. Also, that's the district I'm in, great!
 
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Smiles and Cries said:
this was like 30 minutes of fuck China
I can't believe a whole news network is this dedicated to fuck China news

not that I'm complaining someone has to balance the Chairman but if you watch the whole thing sounds like the CCP is going to be the most hated leadership around the world unless they start cutting billion dollar checks.
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It's a channel run by Falun Gong, of course it's dedicated to fuck China news.
 
Jonsoncao said:
This is what happened when a region is controlled by Democrat for a too long time, so with abundance of low-wit and low-income illegal immigrants as a by-product (The LA county has to protect illegals otherwise the black gangs will take advantages of them). These people are too stupid to realize "Freedom is not free" from the Kantian point of view.

In Orange county, knowingly a long-term Republican controlled area with majority of population being high-income white people, the cities and county officials had made wearing face cover mandatory for a while now. Even though the malls are still closed, many public places are still open.

In the city I lived (Irvine) with Republican mayors for decades, people here showing great self-restraint (wearing masks to protect others and social-distancing) so that many activities can still be carried in public places. Irvine company has set up a program to delay the rent payments for small businesses by 6 months (Irvine company literally owns the city).

If only people in these Democrat controlled areas realize violating "social distancing" and shouting "muh-freedom" is not really freedom, just slaves of your own low-witted desire. Great to see in my neighborhood, people suspend their desire, to achieve freedom. Practicing freedom cannot coincide with the oppression of one's ability to reason, where the oppressor is desire.
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Jonsoncao said:
qz.com

Under the cover of a pandemic, China is dismantling Hong Kong’s last freedoms

More than a dozen veteran opposition figures were arrested over the weekend, signalling a major step-up in Beijing's crackdown on the city's resistance movement.
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CCP continues cashing from this pandemic.
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Do we expect anything else from those utter cunts? The UK would do well to offer British passports and citizenship to Hong Kong citizens who want them - there's a decent number of skilled people over there we could make good use of and it would be a great fuck-you to China.
 
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Jonsoncao said:
qz.com

Under the cover of a pandemic, China is dismantling Hong Kong’s last freedoms

More than a dozen veteran opposition figures were arrested over the weekend, signalling a major step-up in Beijing's crackdown on the city's resistance movement.
qz.com qz.com

CCP continues cashing from this pandemic.
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if the west continues to submit to greed, and let china build their infrastructure instead of doing it themselves, it's only a matter of time. Now is a big turning point on whether or not that happens
 
It was previously possible to think that maybe a large number of coronavirus deaths had been miscategorised flu, heart attacks deaths etc, and that this virus wasn't that bad after all, but this new graph from the UK's Office of National Statistics shows that it has caused many more deaths than is usual:

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That said, if you compare the 2020 line to those of 2016 and 2018 (which I assume were particularly bad years for the flu), then total overall deaths so far may not be that much greater (although the spike in deaths from covid 19 would presumably have have been much greater without the lockdown measures).
 
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iconmaster said:
Update from LA testing:
Coronavirus is more widespread, and thus less fatal, than we think.

www.latimes.com

Hundreds of thousands in L.A. County may have been infected with coronavirus, study finds

Hundreds of thousands of L.A. County residents may have been infected with the coronavirus by early April, outpacing total of known cases, report says.
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Also, this has to be peak mainstream media:


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Bats and pollinators are the pinnacle of important species in our ecosystem. We do enough destruction to their habitats where they are getting fungus and illnesses that they would otherwise not be susceptible to, which allows for viruses to mutate at a faster rate in them, where they otherwise would hold them at bay.

Humans can be reactionary creatures against their own best interests. Like, "fear the bats", "lets wipe them out". No, no no. Companies like Monsatan would love to control and kill off all the bats and pollinators, however.

What I said in the "are the bats the cause" thread.
DeepEnigma said:
I refuse to blame the bats. In fact, their dwindling population caused by us, are leading to more issues which probably lead to where we are today. They are to disease and disease causing pest control, what pollinators are to bearing fruit and providing our air cleaning plants and trees.
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Chittagong said:
UK is back to seeing a 800+ figure again today as the weekend backlog of corpses is being accounted for 😔
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Where are you seeing this?

EDIT: BBC reporting 778 - not showing on official gov stuff yet nor their twitter but I'll take the BBC as accurate.
 
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iconmaster said:
Update from LA testing:
Coronavirus is more widespread, and thus less fatal, than we think.

www.latimes.com

Hundreds of thousands in L.A. County may have been infected with coronavirus, study finds

Hundreds of thousands of L.A. County residents may have been infected with the coronavirus by early April, outpacing total of known cases, report says.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

Also, this has to be peak mainstream media:


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Yea except Iron Maiden's Eddie is using that as an excuse to say we need to remain locked up through the summer.

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hariseldon said:
Where are you seeing this?

EDIT: BBC reporting 778 - not showing on official gov stuff yet nor their twitter but I'll take the BBC as accurate.
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They just updated now

16:21
BREAKING

UK hospital death toll rises by 828
A further 828 people have died in hospitals across the UK in a day, taking the total to 17,337 - latest government figures show.
The number of cases has also increased by 4,301 in 24 hours, bringing the total of 129,044.
Meanwhile, 18,206 tests were carried out on Monday, the government said. Ministers have set a target of 100,000 tests a day by the end of April.
The latest death figures do not include those in the community, in places such as care homes. There is a longer time lag in that data but you can find the latest here.
Health officials have previously warned against over-interpreting daily figures of people dying, with many hard-pressed hospitals understandably not reporting deaths over a weekend until the middle of the following week.
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I'm not too worried about those numbers tbh - you will see fluctuations, but another lower peak does honestly point at a reduction. The thing to consider is that this lockdown is not a complete lockdown, so zero cases and deaths won't happen. What do I mean by that? Well, supermarkets are still open, and while some are doing a good job of social distancing, some are not. I'm self-isolating but decided I needed to know what the score was so I went out in full protective gear - mask, goggles and gloves - to check my local supermarkets. Sainsbury's is ok, Waitrose and Marks & Spencers are good. Asda had a sensible number of people in, they were managing that, but people weren't following the arrows or maintaining distance, rather they were stopping to block the aisles to have a chat. Meanwhile Aldi was an absolute fucking bunfight, so you can presume spread among Aldi shoppers.

Additionally, public transport is still running. Now a fair proportion of that will be NHS workers but it's also going to be people going to work at Aldi, Sainsbury's, etc. And you can't social distance on a bus, and you definitely can't on a train because our trains are fucking shit. So that's a big disease vector (and indeed I'd argue public transport is the single biggest obstacle to re-opening the country - you can have social distancing in many workplaces but you can't do shit with public transport). We're still spreading it.

One could argue that this isn't necessarily a bad thing - we need to slowly get the virus around the population while keeping it away from the vulnerable, but this does seem a haphazard way of doing it.
 
I have a bus stop outside my house, the buses now rarely have more than one person on as they pass, but now we have an NHS worker who has decided to catch the bus each day wearing scrubs & an NHS lanyard ID, never in 14 years of living here have I ever seen anyone getting on a bus in scrubs, surely you put your scrubs on at the hospital? How is it even safe to ride a potentially dirty/infected bus and then arrive at a hospital to treat patients wearing these scrubs? regardless of C-19!

I hope this isn't the start of NHS worker virtue signalling!
 
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Collz69 said:
I have a bus stop outside my house, the buses now rarely have more than one person on as they pass, but now we have an NHS worker who has decided to catch the bus each day wearing scrubs & an NHS lanyard ID, never in 14 years of living here have I ever seen anyone getting on a bus in scrubs, surely you put your scrubs on at the hospital? How is it even safe to ride a potentially dirty/infected bus and then arrive at a hospital to treat patients wearing these scrubs? regardless of C-19!

I hope this isn't the start of NHS worker virtue signalling!
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Virtue signalling is signalling virtue for something you didn't do - stuff like changing your profile pic to say you stand with Paris after a terror attack or some similar bullshit. It's likely that staff are wearing normal scrubs in non-hot-zones and gowning up with proper PPE etc in the hot spots, so the scrubs are probably not an issue. Back to virtue signalling - I had to go to the hospital today to pick up my wife's medication and honestly I shat bricks even while wearing goggles, mask and gloves, knowing that hospitals are full of coronavirus patients (I'm early-40s and healthy enough so probably low risk but my wife has an immune condition so the big worry is infecting her). These poor bastards are facing this every day on the front line, in constant close proximity to people who have the disease. I'd say they've earned a spot of virtue signalling.
 
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Collz69 said:
I have a bus stop outside my house, the buses now rarely have more than one person on as they pass, but now we have an NHS worker who has decided to catch the bus each day wearing scrubs & an NHS lanyard ID, never in 14 years of living here have I ever seen anyone getting on a bus in scrubs, surely you put your scrubs on at the hospital? How is it even safe to ride a potentially dirty/infected bus and then arrive at a hospital to treat patients wearing these scrubs? regardless of C-19!

I hope this isn't the start of NHS worker virtue signalling!
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Its mostly likely for their own protection as at this time, NHS staff are the most important people so we need as little sick as possible.
 
The more I see and the more I try to learn, the more I see no one knows what the f*ck is going on.

Scientists and studies say something today, say the opposite tomorrow.

Governments are just trying to buy time, yet do nothing with the time they bought.

We are obsessed by numbers that are not real.
 
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Kazza said:
It was previously possible to think that maybe a large number of coronavirus deaths had been miscategorised flu, heart attacks deaths etc, and that this virus wasn't that bad after all, but this new graph from the UK's Office of National Statistics shows that it has caused many more deaths than is usual:

mIdXn1r.png


That said, if you compare the 2020 line to those of 2016 and 2018 (which I assume were particularly bad years for the flu), then total overall deaths so far may not be that much greater (although the spike in deaths from covid 19 would presumably have have been much greater without the lockdown measures).
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I've seen graphs like this for a ton of countries.

I don't think ALL the deaths are COVID-19 related, but perhaps it was a contributing factor, or perhaps the deaths were due to health care overload/etc.

What is interesting is you'd almost expect the deaths to be flat, since people shouldn't be dying in car accidents/etc since they're locked up.
 
ricardo_sousa11 said:
The more I see and the more I try to learn, the more I see no one knows what the f*ck is going on.

Scientists and studies say something today, say the opposite tomorrow.

Governments are just trying to buy time, yet do nothing with the time they bought.

We are obsessed by numbers that are not real.
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I'm sorry, what? We are solving the problem right now.

Case numbers in 99% of all countries are developing exactly as predicted. The virus will be with us for some time, but that's no big deal. First of all, you get used to the changes quickly and secondly, you can protect yourself relatively well. Masks will play a huge part in that. In Germany there is the city of Jena, which has ~110.000 residents. This city has not reported a single new case for 11 days now. Why? Some time ago Jena was the first city ever to introduce mandatory masks, not only for shopping etc., but also at work.

Of course this doesn't mean that they won't get any new cases or that masks simply solve the problem, but it does mean that with simple tools and adjustments (and contact tracing) you can solve the problem without a lockdown.

Our immediate future looks like this: Wearing masks outside of our home, keeping distance to strangers, hygiene and no more big events for a few months (which can be gradually increased at some point). We will get through it without any problems, because it's just not all that bad and the biggest strength of a human being is his adaptability.

The situation where we are right now is a big fat "Fuck off" to all the hysteria screaming fear-mongers.
 
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Collz69 said:
I have a bus stop outside my house, the buses now rarely have more than one person on as they pass, but now we have an NHS worker who has decided to catch the bus each day wearing scrubs & an NHS lanyard ID, never in 14 years of living here have I ever seen anyone getting on a bus in scrubs, surely you put your scrubs on at the hospital? How is it even safe to ride a potentially dirty/infected bus and then arrive at a hospital to treat patients wearing these scrubs? regardless of C-19!

I hope this isn't the start of NHS worker virtue signalling!
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Yeah, that kind of ruins the whole point of scrubs...
 
As I mentioned previously, my grandfather passed away last week of suspected C-19 (we have nothing to do with him anyway)
My auntie was told he was struggling to breath before passing away, they won't do a post mortem and have decided to put "old age" on the death cert. (he was living in a care home)
My auntie has been advised to burn all the clothes he came into hospital in!
 
Some bad news. While I guess if you have TDS this is probably the best news you could have outside of HRC posing for playboy



Well onto resdemsvir and plasma transfusions.
 
Collz69 said:
I have a bus stop outside my house, the buses now rarely have more than one person on as they pass, but now we have an NHS worker who has decided to catch the bus each day wearing scrubs & an NHS lanyard ID, never in 14 years of living here have I ever seen anyone getting on a bus in scrubs, surely you put your scrubs on at the hospital? How is it even safe to ride a potentially dirty/infected bus and then arrive at a hospital to treat patients wearing these scrubs? regardless of C-19!

I hope this isn't the start of NHS worker virtue signalling!
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Most likely wearing clean scrubs to work, changing at work, then changing into a new pair at end of shift. People don't want to take their own clothes into the hospital. It's done all the time.
 
cryptoadam said:
Some bad news. While I guess if you have TDS this is probably the best news you could have outside of HRC posing for playboy



Well onto resdemsvir and plasma transfusions.
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Interesting. The article admits that it wasn't a very rigorous test even if it's the biggest one we have.

Still, it's odd that the drug does seem to be a life saver for some people. If it's truly ineffective in all cases, then that is one hell of a placebo effect.
 
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