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Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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But if you save them, you get 100 war assets!
Visually yes, Mass Effect 3 produced some of (if not the best) scenes we've seen throughout the whole series.
I'm just addressing the ME universe in general, it was a lot simpler and perhaps... naive in the first game? I can't really describe it.
I remember finishing ME1 and just being so completely stoked, even though it was the end of countless hours of fun. Even at the end of Mass Effect 2 I remember thinking, 'that was fucking awesome!'.
I expected the same kind of reaction from ME3, and for 99% of my journey through the game, I believed.
I'm not sure what I did.
I was talking to Henry, and basically said we just wanted Oriana and the location of TIM, that he could just leave. He believed me, and let Oriana go. Was going to leave, but Miranda "threw" him out of the window, to his Death. Then we just carried on. She "must" have not gotten too hurt from Kei. Don't know if there's something else you have to do.
While the ending is what it is, Bioware did make up a cool universe, filled with interesting species. Something that's been hard to do in most sci fi movies/games.
indigo-cyclops
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Visually yes, Mass Effect 3 produced some of (if not the best) scenes we've seen throughout the whole series.
I'm just addressing the ME universe in general, it was a lot simpler and perhaps.. naive? I can't really describe it.
I remember finishing ME1 and just being so completely stoked, even though it was the end of countless hours of fun. Even at the end of Mass Effect 2 I remember thinking, 'that was fucking awesome!'.
I expected the same kind of reaction from ME3, and for 99% of my journey through the game, I believed.
For sure, I agree with that. It's been turned into a convoluted mess for me at this point.
He's white, one of the few in the game, actually.
From what I hear, if ME2 characters weren't loyal, then they'll die in ME3. So maybe that was it.
My Miranda was loyal and survived, btw.
caffeinated
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So from what I heard this was the original ending:
The Reapers' goal was to find a way to stop the spread of Dark Energy which would eventually consume everything. That's why there was so much foreshadowing about Dark Energy in ME2.
The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of it's genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread.
The original final choice was going to be "Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left" or "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means.
The Reapers' goal was to find a way to stop the spread of Dark Energy which would eventually consume everything. That's why there was so much foreshadowing about Dark Energy in ME2.
The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of it's genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread.
The original final choice was going to be "Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left" or "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means.
Karak
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Visually yes, Mass Effect 3 produced some of (if not the best) scenes we've seen throughout the whole series.
I'm just addressing the ME universe in general, it was a lot simpler and perhaps... naive in the first game? I can't really describe it.
I remember finishing ME1 and just being so completely stoked, even though it was the end of countless hours of fun. Even at the end of Mass Effect 2 I remember thinking, 'that was fucking awesome!'.
I expected the same kind of reaction from ME3, and for 99% of my journey through the game, I believed.
Ya I don't even want to admit how many playthroughs of ME 1 and 2 I have done. Over 10 each for sure.
I uninstalled ME3 after the end and have no desire to ever see it or experience it again.
Visually yes, Mass Effect 3 produced some of (if not the best) scenes we've seen throughout the whole series.
I'm just addressing the ME universe in general, it was a lot simpler and perhaps... naive in the first game? I can't really describe it.
I remember finishing ME1 and just being so completely stoked, even though it was the end of countless hours of fun. Even at the end of Mass Effect 2 I remember thinking, 'that was fucking awesome!'.
I expected the same kind of reaction from ME3, and for 99% of my journey through the game, I believed.
I remember having so much hope for this franchise after reading the first book before the first game, and then playing the amazing first game. Bioware mishandled this franchise from about the second development of ME1 finished.
I'll return to ME3, I'm sure.
But it'll always be ME1 that holds my love. That's the game I'll really continue replaying over and over.
No, and his character gets killed off in an e-mail.
Think I was loyal with everyone but Jack. Not sure if it's a "Miranda or Jack" thing, but I said something to her, and she hated me for the rest of that game.
I hear there's an option for Jack in ME3. That if you don't make it to Grissom in time, you have to fight her off at some other place (she became indoctrinated)
Had to look him up. Saw the email and wondered "who was this Reegar guy. Now I remember.
Lostconfused
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Bringing down the sky was ok.
Same here, Mass Effect 1 is still my favourite game of all time (even if ME3 takes away some of the 'magic').
Ugh. I remember during the London segments when you're talking to your squad-mates for the final time, I was thinking, 'I can't wait to go back and play this amazing trilogy again. I want to cry tears of joy right now.'
Then it went downhill. Literally.
BDtS has the most difficult decision in the entire series for me.
GrandHarrier
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Going to have to disagree with you strongly. The franchise is still amazing. ME2 was amazing. ME3 was amazing... except for the ending. ME1 has many, many issues that you are rose-tinted goggle ignoring. ME2/3 have so many good things going for them that you are ignoring.
But, we both are going to think the other is wrong, so.
Everyone was loyal iirc, but can't some people like mordin or Thane not be saved regardless of loyalty depending on the circumstances?
Are you freaking serious? wow bioware...I'm super glad that I decided against buying this game right now...
I found a conversation between Shepard and Javik that no one has seemed to mention before in this thread. I missed it during my playthrough so I imagine it occurs in the middle of the Rannoch missions, so most people wouldn't have gone to visit Javik and just continued onwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl-BBeC5KFo&list=FLcRKhusIoldqiyCXIgjfpqA&index=1
This is huge. This is the only time in the game that the "inevitable" conflict between organics and synthetics is ever mentioned, and Javik's arguments against trusting Legion and the differences between machine and organic life support the reasons the Conduit gives you later.
And Bioware thinks that the Prothean DLC isn't needed in the game. Fuck. That. Shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl-BBeC5KFo&list=FLcRKhusIoldqiyCXIgjfpqA&index=1
This is huge. This is the only time in the game that the "inevitable" conflict between organics and synthetics is ever mentioned, and Javik's arguments against trusting Legion and the differences between machine and organic life support the reasons the Conduit gives you later.
And Bioware thinks that the Prothean DLC isn't needed in the game. Fuck. That. Shit.
2 was an abortion in every single way except for having Garrus. But I really liked 3 but the ending is series ruining for me. I can't even bring myself to replay it or any of the other games really. 1 is the only game that didn't disappoint or ruin anything for me.
Mordin lives if wrex dies, if wrex isn't dead mordin dies and it seems to be regardless of loyalty.
They don't, that's why it was developed along with the main game and Javik is already included in the disc. They just want you to pay for it.
Thane dies no matter what. Mordin or Wrex must die.
indigo-cyclops
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Some things I loved about 2: Omega, Illium, seeing the seedy side of the Galaxy. Open those worlds up to me, and I would have been fucking ready.
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2 was good for some of the characters, mainly (as you said) the return of Garrus, but also Mordin and Legion were great. Most everything else was pretty underwhelming and a clear sign that they had no idea what to do with the second part of a trilogy.
scarybore
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Yeah, my second favourite DLC after Shadow Broker. Was cool meeting Balak again and getting confirmation that the Leviathan of Dis was the remains of a reaper. Does anyone know if Charn replaces Balak if you let him go free but kill Balak?
Confidence Man
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I don't understand how you could dislike 2 and yet like 3. I despise 2 and 3 is even worse IMO. More customization doesn't make up for the lack of other things like hacking, multiple hubs, or missions that weren't absolutely linear in design.
Seeing the mentions of Overlord and the Shadow Broker, makes me want to play those. Guess Youtube could suffice.
Also, having played as Female Shepard, and now playing some as Male Shepard, So far, I'd say Jennifer Hale's VA >>>> The Male VA.
Also, having played as Female Shepard, and now playing some as Male Shepard, So far, I'd say Jennifer Hale's VA >>>> The Male VA.
Karak
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Last night I had tried to play some ME1. But honestly this is really a sweeping issue that occurs in 3 and impacts my enjoyment of the first ones. Also since I know play-throughs aren't effecting anything ever by the end...I have no reason to even play it again. I liked the gameplay but I liked the roleplaying far far more and that option has been soundly removed.
Uninstalled.
dragonelite
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You already knew from ME 2 that the genophage is something that keeps Mordin awake.
And this is his chance for redemption. So i could life with that. You got how to say closure not something you can say about the ending
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I remember going to a distress signal in ME1 and this thing pop up and kills me (while in the mako)
I've always wish shit like that happened in the other games
I've always wish shit like that happened in the other games
I must have skipped over that scene as well. I think we are all in agreement that not only is Javik a great character (both in game skill and personality) but also crucial to fleshing out the ME universe. He gives amazing insight into the Prothean Empire and some extremely pointed statements about this cycle of the crew.
I can forgive a lack of multiple hubs on the basis that the entire galaxy is getting fucked over by Reapers. However, they probably could've recreated that sense better through a series of smaller hubs per plot points, but that'd require something of a rewrite to needing to be on the move constantly. It feels like there's fewer missions though and they're not as varied, and they DID do a good job with hacking with ME2 so while I'm not missing it TOO much it still would've been nice to see. Makes it feel more like the game just shrunk down even more.
Karak
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Yes. Playing the game without him is making a bad situation even worse. Without him it makes even less sense...which seems statistically impossible, but somehow...that's how it is.
Yes. Losing the Hacking system & the "Scanning for materials" on the planets, really take out alot of the side stuff. Maybe they were just timesinks, but it does make the "galaxy" of ME3 feel smaller.
Besides the variable conversations, and fates of situations/people, ME3 feels pretty linear.
Yeah, watching some Javik scenes on Youtube...I missed some valuable insight...
Any game that ditches stupid minigames I have to do 4000 times is ok with me. At least in 1 I could auto hack it.
The citadel in 3 had more to do than all of the hubs in ME2 combined so it didn't bother me. I'm sure we'll end up getting at least 1 more through dlc anyway. It was a much better and memorable game than 2 up to the very end. Better squad and crew interaction, better story, better combat, like 90% reduced planet scanning.
Except all during ME2 he was self-righteous and going "Genophage was the right answer to the Krogan rebellion," and continuing to believe that even during his loyalty mission. Rubbed me the wrong way (but then again I prefer the Krogan over most of the alien races in ME in general) to the point where if it was between him and Wrex, I'd choose Wrex every single time.
HE MADE A MISTAKE!
He still maintains that it was right, at that time. Just like how curing the genophage is right, at this time, when the galaxy needs the krogan.
Overlord is basically the opposite of ME3. The majority of it is kinda meh... but the ending is incredible, and quite emotional, pretty powerful stuff. And Shadow Broker is terrific as been said many times.
Agree about Femshep as well, I have no interest to ever play as male shep and I have no idea how people do it. He's terrible.
Yeah, you confront him on that and, as highlighted, he SNAPS. In fact, the way he was going about it in ME2 the whole time felt more like someone trying to rationalize to himself he did the right thing rather than someone who KNOWS they did the right thing, so in ME3 he's finally honest with himself and... no, he made a terrible mistake. Incidentally, his character trailer for ME2 portrayed him as angsting about this if I recall correctly, not that I'd take those too seriously given Jack's.
Interested in how the Male VA will be when it comes to some of the "doubt" moments later in the game. Cause FemShep actually sounded off with emotion at times. Male Shepard doesn't sound too far from Zapp Brannigan...
Mordin and Legion were great. Don't remember Wrex, but I assume he's like most of the Krogran: Not worth anything, except being dead. Screw the Krogan.
Garrus was my Bro.
Plus he believes that Wrex and Eve may lead Krogans to a new, better future. Seriously, Mordin's story is really well thought out and implemented.
I wasn't a huge Mordin guy but yeah Legion was pretty awesome. It's easy to forget that since you get him when the game's pretty much over and if you're trying not to get your crew killed then there's no time to really talk to him.
Wrex, while not being UNLIKE other Krogan, is more battle weary and cares more about his race's survival and ability to co-exist with other races rather than just being a meathead out to kill something. So, no, not like the other Krogan.
LumpOfCole
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Wrex's only character flaw is how coincidentally you run into him on the Citadel when he's basically only a mercenary grunt, and in ME2 he makes the literary leap to be leader of all the krogans. I found it to be a bit of a stretch, but otherwise the character is pretty damn rich for a krogan.
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