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[neojubei]

most of them are just comments about your mission.

one of the better ones were like "I am going to join the action, I'll be damn if I tell my grandchildren i guarded a door instead of saving the universe"

wat, it's good lil reactions to what's going on after every mission.

It's pretty good banter, but I'd rather stop, listen, then be free to walk than held up by the scanner especially when the dialog runs out or you want to go back to the war room to talk on someone.

I guess when i play the game over again i will listen to them. I just wanted to get out of that area fast.

Thane is going to die anyways, so not as sad as mordin and legion

I thought Anderson's death was sad. He just slumped over not responding to Sherpard. He didn't get to see the journey's end.


Games of chance was punishable by death in the empire. I love Javik. lol Javik trolling James was quite funny. I applaud Bioware for making some awesome characters.

 

[Patryn]

So what is the minimum death count for the series? 5?

Ashley/Kaiden, Mordin/Wrex, Thane, Legion/Tali, Anderson?

 

[Shorty11857]

My initial thought was because of EDI and there was reaper tech on the Normandy

Well I guess that answers the first two parts at least

 

[SDBurton]

Doing a 2nd playthrough right now as full on renegade and it feels terrible (morally). Not saying a damn thing about sabotaging the cure, and shooting Mordin in the back was so damn intense. Will we have the chance to tell our LI about this?

So what is the minimum death count for the series? 5?

Ashley/Kaiden, Mordin/Wrex, Thane, Legion/Tali, Anderson?

Mordin and Wrex can both die in ME3 if you stopped Mordin from curing the genophage.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

So, I finished the game last night, and I have to say that my main problem with the game is the fact that all of the deaths in the game feel so cheap. Aside from Mordin, there's no weight to any of them at all.

The entire game feels like a giant epilogue.

what deaths? :'D

Shepard died at the collector base,as did everyone aside from Joker and EDI. ME3's lead is Conrad Verner after intense surgery to look and sound like shepard. The beacon is activated by the prothean.

 

[Alucrid]

The difference is that you expected Thane to die, so not as sad as mordin and legion

Yeah mordin could have visited me and tali at our beach front property to collect seashells.

 

[kodt]

I haven't played the game (don't plan on it) but I watched most of the cut-scenes online and read about what happens.

What exactly don't people like, this seems pretty standard Mass Effect stuff to me.

Also, I guess you can get Shepard to live if you get enough EMS points and choose to destroy the Reapers, so wouldn't that be the happy ending people are complaining about?

 

[Petrichor]

So what is the minimum death count for the series? 5?

Ashley/Kaiden, Mordin/Wrex, Thane, Legion/Tali, Anderson?

Legion dies whatever you do.

 

[Patryn]

I haven't played the game (don't plan on it) but I watched most of the cut-scenes online and read about what happens.

What exactly don't people like, this seems pretty standard Mass Effect stuff to me.

Also, I guess you can get Shepard to live if you get enough EMS points and choose to destroy the Reapers, so wouldn't that be the happy ending people are complaining about?

If you haven't played the game, then you can't really understand.

And for the millionth time: PEOPLE ARE NOT COMPLAINING THAT THERE WASN'T A HAPPY ENDING. They're complaining because the endings are nonsensical, ignore all the player choices, and do not follow what has come before.

 

[Eusis]

The difference is that you expected Thane to die, so not as sad as mordin and legion

Mordin was the equivalent of something like 90s years old for his race actually. They likely only forced Thane and maybe Mordin to die BECAUSE they were on the verge of dying anyway. Well, then there's Legion, but I guess robots are a different story.

And for the millionth time: PEOPLE ARE NOT COMPLAINING THAT THERE WASN'T A HAPPY ENDING. They're complaining because the endings are nonsensical, ignore all the player choices, and do not follow what has come before.

Admittedly some ARE, but I think Shepard surviving should be the lowest concern of anyone wanting a happy ending. I want to see Wrex lead the Krogan to prosperity and relatively peaceful co-existence with other races, and for Tali to get to live the rest of her days on her homeworld, not for my avatar to see another day, if anything I'd have him die for their sake.

 

[chickdigger802]

Wait. Miranda can survive somehow?

I recall not offering her 'resources' at the citadel... did that 'kill' her?

 

[HarryHengst]

I haven't played the game (don't plan on it) but I watched most of the cut-scenes online and read about what happens.

What exactly don't people like, this seems pretty standard Mass Effect stuff to me.

Also, I guess you can get Shepard to live if you get enough EMS points and choose to destroy the Reapers, so wouldn't that be the happy ending people are complaining about?

Amazing that someone who hasnt played the game comes in and tells us that everyone is wrong. :lol

 

[protonion]

I just finished it.

In the end it was not clear which path did what. I got the renegade ending without wanting it...
Anyway I liked it!
Also with the relays destroyed all the armies/fleets are stuck on earth? I'd lke to see how this turned out!

 

[Rebel Leader]

yeah, I just watched this too and he basically spells out the entire ending for you.

No fucking way he was 'just DLC'. Either that or he is one hell of a "we need to save this plot" device. Hilarious.

He's goes un depth about it to
"They think all organics all falwed while they are perfect"
Magic child: "They would destroy ALL organics"

I am so disgusted with this

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

This just made sense to me. If no choice is the canon choice, then every choice must lead to the same overall outcome. And that's what happened. Bioware you clever bastards.

INDOCTRINATION DLC ENDING CONFIRMED

caps so you won't miss it.

 

[Patryn]

Wait. Miranda can survive somehow?

I recall not offering her 'resources' at the citadel... did that 'kill' her?

I dunno. She just lived in mine. Was she loyal in ME2 for you?

 

[Moaradin]

So what is the minimum death count for the series? 5?

Ashley/Kaiden, Mordin/Wrex, Thane, Legion/Tali, Anderson?

When does Ashley/Kaiden die?

Guess you're counting Virmire?

 

[Shorty11857]

I haven't played the game (don't plan on it) but I watched most of the cut-scenes online and read about what happens.

What exactly don't people like, this seems pretty standard Mass Effect stuff to me.

Also, I guess you can get Shepard to live if you get enough EMS points and choose to destroy the Reapers, so wouldn't that be the happy ending people are complaining about?

The reason I don't like it is because the ending comes out of nowhere and is just horrible. Up until the elevator scene I have no real compliants with the game, I loved every moment of those 27 hours I played and felt that the game could have ended perfectly right where it was.

Instead we got space child out of nowhere, with three options that are pretty shitty, and then the whole Normandy scene at the end that doesn't even make sense

 

[SDBurton]

Wait. Miranda can survive somehow?

I recall not offering her 'resources' at the citadel... did that 'kill' her?

I think so, I didn't offer her resources either and she died in my game.

 

[HarryHengst]

I just finished it.

In the end it was not clear which path did what. I got the renegade ending without wanting it...
Anyway I liked it!
Also with the relays destroyed all the armies/fleets are stuck on earth? I'd lke to see how this turned out!

With all the relays destroyed everyone is dead, because the Arrival DLC shows that an exploding Mass Relay takes out the entire solar system. Well done Shepard, you just did the Reapers work for them!

 

[Rebel Leader]

INDOCTRINATION DLC ENDING CONFIRMED

caps so you won't miss it.

Fixed

 

[MegaKungFuRadio]

So what is the minimum death count for the series? 5?

Ashley/Kaiden, Mordin/Wrex, Thane, Legion/Tali, Anderson?

Poor Jenkins, forever forgotten except by the wall.

 

[MrDaravon]

Wait. Miranda can survive somehow?

I recall not offering her 'resources' at the citadel... did that 'kill' her?

Must have been, she was alive in my game at the end.

 

[Patryn]

When does Ashley/Kaiden die?

In ME1? I was talking total series forced death count.

 

[HarryHengst]

Wait. Miranda can survive somehow?

I recall not offering her 'resources' at the citadel... did that 'kill' her?

Give her the resources and warn her about Kai Leng (ugh).

 

[kodt]

If you haven't played the game, then you can't really understand.

And for the millionth time: PEOPLE ARE NOT COMPLAINING THAT THERE WASN'T A HAPPY ENDING. They're complaining because the endings are nonsensical, ignore all the player choices, and do not follow what has come before.

Yeah the ending seemed pretty lame, I don't get the scene with the Normandy pretty much blowing up then it is somehow fine?. But what was supposed to happen? Shep stops the reapers, sacrifices self... game over. Could have called this ending years ago.

Amazing that someone who hasnt played the game comes in and tells us that everyone is wrong. :lol

Not saying everyone is wrong, just what is the big deal? I never had high expectations for this game. Bioware.

 

[Red Blaster]

I haven't played the game (don't plan on it) but I watched most of the cut-scenes online and read about what happens.

What exactly don't people like, this seems pretty standard Mass Effect stuff to me.

Also, I guess you can get Shepard to live if you get enough EMS points and choose to destroy the Reapers, so wouldn't that be the happy ending people are complaining about?

Because it's perhaps the most heinously stupid game ending for a major story driven series ever.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

Wait. Miranda can survive somehow?

I recall not offering her 'resources' at the citadel... did that 'kill' her?

save her sister, gain loyalty, warn about kai leng: she lives.
(at least in my game)

Maybe some responses to TIM factor in as well, as the Shadow Broker file states that Miranda "is obsessed with human superiority". She sure ditched that attitude fast.

 

[neojubei]

Wait. Miranda can survive somehow?

I recall not offering her 'resources' at the citadel... did that 'kill' her?

Miranda could die? Never knew that, she was alive last time I spoke with her on the last part of the game.

Because it's perhaps the most heinously stupid game ending for a major story driven series ever.

I sort of expected the ending that we got. there would have to be some over the top thing to do something to all the reapers in the galaxy. not even a fleet of all the ships of all the races can stop the reapers.

 

[Rebel Leader]

When does Ashley/Kaiden die?

I didn't talk with thane...So I didn,t see his deat or even heard of his death

 

[Zomba13]

Yeah mordin could have visited me and tali at our beach front property to collect seashells.

;_;

He'd have enjoyed the sea shells.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

When does Ashley/Kaiden die?

Guess you're counting Virmire?

Mass Effect 1 on Virmire lol

 

[HarryHengst]

Yeah the ending seemed pretty lame, I don't get the scene with the Normandy pretty much blowing up then it is somehow fine?. But what was supposed to happen? Shep stops the reapers, sacrifices self... game over. Could have called this ending years ago.

Arent you the clever one.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

To be fair to the game it is amazing for 99.5% of the game (I worked it out. If we say that the stuff after Anderson dies/citadel opens = 10 mins in a 30 hour game like mine it was 0.5% of the game). Even though the ending was a major let down it was still an awesome experience and a very very good game. The professionals are looking at it as a whole while the consumes are saying the whole thing sucks because of the ending.

I dunno that you can just break down something as whole vs. ending here.

Some things are made to be building toward something. I always felt like Mass Effect was that kind of series. When the culmination of the past three games is disappointing (I am being generous with my wording here), then that colors your perception of everything so far.

I do think journalists probably genuinely enjoyed the game, but I am not sure it's because of some professional standard of holistic game criticism versus visceral reactions to single negative aspects (which implies a "the plebs just don't understand what they have here" mentality that I am not sure I appreciate). I'll also point out, with little commentary, that reviewer defense of mediocrity is not a new phenomenon.

I also kind of disagree with the assertion that the game is amazing except for the ending. There's a lot of low cards in that hand that don't necessarily have anything to do with the story.

 

[Shorty11857]

So what is the minimum death count for the series? 5?

Ashley/Kaiden, Mordin/Wrex, Thane, Legion/Tali, Anderson?

If you're only counting squad members you're missing Corporal Jenkins technically

 

[Rebel Leader]

Miranda could die? Never knew that, she was alive last time I spoke with her on the last part of the game.

She can die on sancuary(sp)

 

[Patryn]

Yeah the ending seemed pretty lame, I don't get the scene with the Normandy pretty much blowing up then it is somehow fine?. But what was supposed to happen? Shep stops the reapers, sacrifices self... game over. Could have called this ending years ago.

Just because an ending is obvious doesn't make it bad. Obvious endings are obvious because they're the logical conclusion of a series of events. Throwing a swerve in there simply for the sake of a surprise doesn't make it better. It makes it nonsensical.

 

[EatChildren]

The Rannoch theme is so damn good.

 

[LiK]

She can die on sancuary(sp)

missing a T

 

[Rebel Leader]

;_;

He'd have enjoyed the sea shells.

I have been doing tests on seashells. Results Soon...


Later

*puts results on his grave*

 

[Warrior_Keoni]

That's why people are mad...unanswered questions and a lot of ????? over peoples' heads.

 

[Rebel Leader]

missing a T

my wii sucks T_T

 

[Pollux]

INDOCTRINATION DLC ENDING CONFIRMED

caps so you won't miss it.

mmhmm. Just wait and see. I bet all y'all bitching about those of us shouting for Indoctrination Hallucination are going to fell pretty stupid when we get a REAL ending. For Free.

Spoiler

I'm just dreaming at this point...

 

[protonion]

With all the relays destroyed everyone is dead, because the Arrival DLC shows that an exploding Mass Relay takes out the entire solar system. Well done Shepard, you just did the Reapers work for them!

I didn't play the dlc... However Shephard lived in my ending.

 

[HarryHengst]

I dunno that you can just break down something as whole vs. ending here.

Some things are made to be building toward something. I always felt like Mass Effect was that kind of series. When the culmination of the past three games is disappointing (I am being generous with my wording here), then that colors your perception of everything so far.

I do think journalists probably genuinely enjoyed the game, but I am not sure it's because of some professional standard of holistic game criticism versus visceral reactions to single negative aspects (which implies a "the plebs just don't understand what they have here" mentality that I am not sure I appreciate). I'll also point out, with little commentary, that reviewer defense of mediocrity is not a new phenomenon.[/spoiler]

I also kind of disagree with the assertion that the game is amazing except for the ending. There's a lot of low cards in that hand that don't necessarily have anything to do with the story.

Game journalists are pretty much giant manchildren who defend the ending because they seem to literally think "heh, those dumb gamers just dont understand how deep this is, gaming really is an art", with the smuggest face possible. Its really telling that Forbes of all places manages to understand and describe the problems people have with the ending correctly.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Guys the Mass Effect storyline was ruined beyond repair the very second you met Sovereign on Virmire. From that moment on it has made no sense whatsoever other than to provide a reason for you to interact with these awesome characters. Maybe that's why I didnt mind the ending, I never took the story very seriously.

 

[neojubei]

With all the relays destroyed everyone is dead, because the Arrival DLC shows that an exploding Mass Relay takes out the entire solar system. Well done Shepard, you just did the Reapers work for them!

As long as Earth is safe that is all that matters

 

[HarryHengst]

I didn't play the dlc... However Shephard lived in my ending.

Yeah, she did in mine too. So either Bioware retconned how relays explode, it didnt really happen and was just hallucinating, or its Space Magic. Either way, its all shit.

As long as Earth is safe that is all that matters

Sorry, the Citadel, a 50 kilometer long building, exploded above Earth, so all the pieces will fall on Earth and begin a permanent winter akin the one that killed all dinosaurs.

 

[kodt]

Just because an ending is obvious doesn't make it bad. Obvious endings are obvious because they're the logical conclusion of a series of events. Throwing a swerve in there simply for the sake of a surprise doesn't make it better. It makes it nonsensical.

What is the swerve though? That the catalyst gives Shepard a choice b/c it is somehow inspired by his actions or some crap. I guess that does seem pretty stupid.

Don't get me wrong, I think the ending is dumb. I just didn't get angry about it.

 

[LiK]

they didn't show Tali's face. with an ending that destroys all Relays, showing a Quarian face is too much to ask?