Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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stryker1138 said:
It's a little dismissive to call the relationship between organic and synthetic life a subplot. Yes, EDI and the Geth illustrate that representatives of both types of existence can cooperate, but that collaboration doesn't somehow close the book on the overall theme the series has been exploring.

I just think it's a stretch to call the synthetic life theme a subplot in a story that began with the premise that "ancient machines harvest organic life every 50,000 years, stop them."
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No, it's a subplot and it's not an overall theme in the series. The invasion of the Reapers is the main plot. The Catalyst says that it intends to stop the "chaos" but life is chaotic. It always has and always will be.

And we are told that synthetics will kill all organic life. What's the proof? What's the evidence? I can give you the geth and EDI to show you that synthetics won't kill all organics and can live peacefully.
 
BTW, the renegade option after you beat Kai Leng was fucking amazing. I was so tense during that scene thinking that he was going to kill someone from my squat, so I pressed the renegade button almost as a reflex. Glad the outcome was great.
 
Dany M said:
Reading a few pages back...people are just discussing the game, what is the actual outrage on this ending?
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There's a lot to it, but the most basic thing to me was that you have no say in what's happening. Shepherd just accepts everything that's being said, and he doesn't stand up for anything. Then you pick one of three endings that are all damn near identical, it really makes for a crappy end to a trilogy based on choices.

To go more into it, it's the whole "we're synthetics that kill all organics every 50,000 years to save you...from your own synthetics killing you". The cycle is asinine.
 
SteeloDMZ said:
BTW, the renegade option after you beat Kai Leng was fucking amazing. I was so tense during that scene thinking that he was going to kill someone from my squat, so I pressed the renegade button almost as a reflex. Glad the outcome was great.
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Guess what, it's almost the exact same thing if you don't do the renegade interrupt.
 
sleeprockss said:
Even if you broker peace between the Geth and the Quarians, how long do you think that will last? They live on the same planet and even Tali is still holding grudges against the Geth afterwards. Not to mention that another race could just as easily create a new race of synthetics and peace might not be an option if they revolt.
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What's the precedent for that? Has synthetic life wiped out all organic life before? Is that where this little guy came from? he's the descendant of a synthetic race that realized it made a mistake?

Why would (my) Shepard go along with it after talking about trust for 3 games? He can either think about his close friends EDI and Legions actions as AI with tremendous power in their hands like a crew of a ship or 2 entire races of peoples, and at least ask "Are you sure? How do you know? The only AI that's ever been aggressive without being attacked first is you, you ass"

And then, why not use Sheps own logic against him. Destroying the reapers and leaving it to chance after telling The Illusive Man that gambling with the galaxy is wrong. So bringing guaranteed harmony to the galaxy is the best choice. Fucking viola the ending suddenly makes sense.

None of those things are addressed. Shep just goes "alright fine, fuck it" and activates an option. This is why the ending is bad.
 
Jintor said:
The focus was never really on them being machines though. They were always portrayed as something more akin to Cthulhu-esque space horrors.
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I lost all respect for the Reapers when Sovereign (that Reaper you talk to in ME1, right?) goes on a rant about how organic life forms are weak, whereas he is the pinnacle of evolution. what? then he concludes by saying, nearly verbatim, "I am the vanguard of your destruction. You have no chance to survive, make your time. Hah hah hah...". least intimidating space lobster EVER. I knew the reapers were fucked when I first laid eyes on them!
 
heliosRAzi said:
1. Synthetics vs. organics theme that gets put into the spotlight for no reason

2. Color-swapped endings

3. No closure

4. Stupid kid
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I just saw the other two, not changing that is kinda lzy . The lack of closure doesn't bother me, the dream sequences were dumb and I wouldn't call it synthetics vs. organics, its organics vs. themselves and these 'reapers' are to control the chaos.

They explained it well enough, the rise of synthetics leads to our downfall...apparently.
 
SteeloDMZ said:
Someone from the squat shoots him?
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Almost the same exact Shep dodges and knocks the sword away instead of breaking it


Dany M said:
I just saw the other two, not changing that is kinda lzy . The lack of closure doesn't bother me, the dream sequences were dumb and I wouldn't call it synthetics vs. organics, its organics vs. themselves and these 'reapers' are to control the chaos.

They explained it well enough, the rise of synthetics leads to our downfall...apparently.
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Yeah... apparently... even though we have the geth and EDI to say otherwise.
 
Dany M said:
I wouldn't call it synthetics vs. organics, its organics vs. themselves and these 'reapers' are to control the chaos.
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You may not, but that's not how it's presented.

The Reapers prevent the chaos by killing organics from creating advanced AIs who can then kill the organics who created them. Seriously.

They explained it well enough, the rise of synthetics leads to our downfall...apparently.
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That's true, but the player also didn't have a way to revoke those claims and to say that we'll take our chances, instead the Destroy option kills off all synthetics.
 
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Look at the kids hand going through the foot of the soldier as he gets in the transport. This confirms the boy isn't real!!!

not serious
 
Dany M said:
I just saw the other two, not changing that is kinda lzy . The lack of closure doesn't bother me, the dream sequences were dumb and I wouldn't call it synthetics vs. organics, its organics vs. themselves and these 'reapers' are to control the chaos.

They explained it well enough, the rise of synthetics leads to out downfall...apparently.
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Didn't the Geth/Quarian and EDI subplots completely throw this out the window? I made peace between the Geth and the Quarian. It was a "happily ever after" kinda ending for them. But then, this aborted fetus goes and says something that I just disproved earlier and yet I don't have a choice to bring that up to counter him?
 
SteeloDMZ said:
BTW, the renegade option after you beat Kai Leng was fucking amazing. I was so tense during that scene thinking that he was going to kill someone from my squat, so I pressed the renegade button almost as a reflex. Glad the outcome was great.
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SO FUCKING STUPID.
They knock him down, him still being alive, walk a few feet away from him & THEN PROCEED TO COMPLETELY IGNORE THE ASSASSIN SENT TO KILL THEM WITH ALL THEIR BACKS TO HIM!
Too busy looking at the walls & ceiling to be sure if he is dead or not.
 
heliosRAzi said:
No, it's a subplot and it's not an overall theme in the series. The invasion of the Reapers is the main plot. The Catalyst says that it intends to stop the "chaos" but life is chaotic. It always has and always will be.

And we are told that synthetics will kill all organic life. What's the proof? What's the evidence? I can give you the geth and EDI to show you that synthetics won't kill all organics and can live peacefully.
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I am absolutely with you on the fact that Catalyst Boy says violent synthetic domination is inevitable, but doesn't substantiate it in any way. The fact that Shepard doesn't question this in light of his experiences with EDI and the Geth is pretty egregious.

That said, I still don't think you can say that the invasion of the Reapers is the "main plot" and claim organics vs synthetics is a "subplot." The Geth were a huge factor in the first game. When Shepard was resurrected in 2, there was tension over the nature of his new cybernetic implants and how they might have changed his identity. People throughout the galaxy are afraid of becoming machines mentally (indoctrination) or physically (huskification).
 
See You Next Wednesday said:
SO FUCKING STUPID.
They knock him down, him still being alive, walk a few feet away from him & THEN PROCEED TO COMPLETELY IGNORE THE ASSASSIN SENT TO KILL THEM WITH ALL THEIR BACKS TO HIM!
Too busy looking at the walls & ceiling to be sure if he is dead or not.
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I like how they don't notice how noisy he is getting up. Yeah, just stab your sword into the ground to lean on, that's not obvious or anything.
 
stryker1138 said:
I am absolutely with you on the fact that Catalyst Boy says violent synthetic domination is inevitable, but doesn't substantiate it in any way. The fact that Shepard doesn't question this in light of his experiences with EDI and the Geth is pretty egregious.

I still don't think you can say that the invasion of the Reapers is the "main plot" and claim organics vs synthetics is a "subplot."
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that you can't question anything he says is really disappointing. you get the option of making a couple comments, both of which result in the child saying the same thing. really lame.
Alucrid said:
I like how they don't notice how noisy he is getting up. Yeah, just stab your sword into the ground to lean on, that's not obvious or anything.
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He was also grunting loudly lol.
 
So apparently you can have separate dialogue with the catalyst according to EMS?

Example is when you first rise up, the first thing the catalyst says is either "Wake up" or "Why are you here?" I'm sure someone has probably mentioned it, but wtf is the significance of that? Catalyst kid is either nice, or kind of a dick.

Yeah this shit don't make sense.
 
Did we every get the real names of the Reapers?

Sovereign said 'Reapers' was a name given to them from their victims & not what they are really called.
It acted like it was something Shepard was too unimportant to even know about.
 
stryker1138 said:
I am absolutely with you on the fact that Catalyst Boy says violent synthetic domination is inevitable, but doesn't substantiate it in any way. The fact that Shepard doesn't question this in light of his experiences with EDI and the Geth is pretty egregious.

That said, I still don't think you can say that the invasion of the Reapers is the "main plot" and claim organics vs synthetics is a "subplot."
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But from the second game on (and arguably the first game) they make it clear that the Reapers don't especially care for (or outright dislike) synthetics like the geth, and view them simply as tools to help destroy organics. That sort of muddies the idea that the main theme is "organics vs synthetics."
 
The only time I immediately hit the instant Renegade option was to shoot Udina.

Fuck that asshole. That felt so good.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
But from the second game on (and arguably the first game) they make it clear that the Reapers don't especially care for (or outright dislike) synthetics like the geth, and views them simply as tools to help destroy organics. That sort of muddles the idea that the main theme is "organics vs synthetics."
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Don't forget that they upgrade the geth so that they may better kill organics.


Vire said:
The only time I immediately hit the instant Renegade option was to shoot Udina.

Fuck that asshole. That felt so good.
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I did it for Udina. I also did it for that quarian admiral who decided to destroy the ship I was still on. Fuck that guy.
 
ok...that part of organics and synthetics is kinda hokey, especially the fact geth and quaraans can be at peace and edi being an autnomous squad member....ehh

Still though, the ending resonated with me, shepard shooting the shit out of that...thing and seeing the citadel bite it

also, is it the same planet, the one with the kid/stargazer that joker lands on?
 
Omzz said:
So apparently you can have separate dialogue with the catalyst according to EMS?

Example is when you first rise up, the first thing the catalyst says is either "Wake up" or "Why are you here?" I'm sure someone has probably mentioned it, but wtf is the significance of that? Catalyst kid is either nice, or kind of a dick.

Yeah this shit don't make sense.
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If you had achieved peace between the Geth and Quarians he'll tell you to wake up. I guess he knows what you did, but he doesn't care enough to give you a better option.
 
Vire said:
The only time I immediately hit the instant Renegade option was to shoot Udina.

Fuck that asshole. That felt so good.
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I literally said "Fuck you Udina" as a reflex. No one around to hear me, I wanted a kinect at that moment so he could really hear me. I was waiting for the circle option to come up so I could pee in his wound.
 
Vire said:
The only time I immediately hit the instant Renegade option was to shoot Udina.

Fuck that asshole. That felt so good.
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I shot Udina and broke Kai Leng's sword.

But I never hit the renegade trigger faster when it came to gut punching that fucking Quarian who attacked the ship we were on.
 
Papercuts said:
I shot Udina and broke Kai Leng's sword.

But I never hit the renegade trigger faster when it came to gut punching that fucking Quarian who attacked the ship we were on.
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hahahah that was so satisfying. I tend to be a paragon shepard (just because those actions seem to be the most pragmatic and I'm not a psychopath or anything) but every so often someone needs to get their ass kicked or their brains blown out. that quarian deserved worse than what he got. what a fucking imbecile.
 
Uriah said:
I laughed when I got the email from him. It was like really, you had a gundship and you still couldn't kill me?
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It was oddly satisfying when Shepard calls him out and says all he ever does is run away, and the only response he has is, "SHUT UP!"

Shepard hurt the dude's pride. :'(
 
Papercuts said:
I shot Udina and broke Kai Leng's sword.

But I never hit the renegade trigger faster when it came to gut punching that fucking Quarian who attacked the ship we were on.
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The geth dreadnought had been deactivated and he still wants to destroy it while I'm on there for no damn good reason. Of course I'm going to punch him in the stomach and kick him off of the Normandy. I wish I could have killed him myself.

Replicant said:
He too can die in a fire along with The Catalyst. 2nd worse character in ME3 after The Catalyst.
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Such a useless character.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
But from the second game on (and arguably the first game) they make it clear that the Reapers don't especially care for (or outright dislike) synthetics like the geth, and view them simply as tools to help destroy organics. That sort of muddies the idea that the main theme is "organics vs synthetics."
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I don't think the Big Idea they were trying to convey was simple violent conflict between the two groups, but I do think they've done a pretty good job of illustrating an underlying tension between galactic citizens and the very notion of synthetic intelligence. Fears about the Geth, bans on AI research, tension about how Shepard's cybernetic implants may have changed him, fear of indoctrination/huskification all contribute to that wariness.
 
hateradio said:
If you had achieved peace between the Geth and Quarians he'll tell you to wake up. I guess he knows what you did, but he doesn't care enough to give you a better option.
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Don't you have to fulfill a certain criteria from Mass Effect 2 to do that? I wasn't able to achieve peace and let the geth die.

Shit.
 
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