I really wish I could have been a fly on the wall during ME3's development. I love 99% of the game, so I appreciate the effort put into that, but how an ending (to a AAA triology none the less) can be rushed is beyond me. It seems like the main story arc would be the first thing completed and polished as other minor sidequests are added in. On the other hand, it was probably impossible to polish the turd that Mac Walters dropped on the rest of the team.
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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I really wish I could have been a fly on the wall during ME3's development. I love 99% of the game, so I appreciate the effort put into that, but how an ending (to a AAA triology none the less) can be rushed is beyond me. It seems like the main story arc would be the first thing completed and polished as other minor sidequests are added in. On the other hand, it was probably impossible to polish the turd that Mac Walters dropped on the rest of the team.
All according to keikaku.
Translators note: keikaku means indoctrination.
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Except the fact that the existence of this super-AI who doesn't want to kill all organics refutes his own point. If all synthetics inevitably devalue organics and destroy all of them, then it follows that the very AI telling us this would be devoted to killing all organics. The fact he does not do so proves his own point is wrong.
Yeah, I keep repeating that as an ending because it's a neat, simple, ultra-dark "bad" ending that would logically flow from the narrative of the past two games.
That's all any of us wanted: something that made sense given the 100 hours prior.
Garrus should get a Kramer applause every time he appears onscreen.
We basically get to talk to a wall at the end of ME3.
Not necessarily. It's a super-AI. Maybe it's become obsessed with the logic of its plan and has abandoned the idea that it could, perhaps, interject in the inevitable organic-synthetic wars by having the Reapers wipe out the Geth (for example). You know, like an angel watching over organic life's shoulder. Maybe it's become corrupt over time. Maybe it's gone astray and just perpetuates the Reapers existence.
All of that would work as a counter, and it doesn't make the Godbaby's argument stupid as a plot point.
Godbaby's argument is stupid as a plot point precisely because none of the above ever gets said in-game
Freeza Under The Shower
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for a genocidal AI whose first notion of business should be to get rid of the filthy organics clogging up his body. There is no reason why Shepard being there at the crucible would change anything for mr. final solution.
Might as well have the kid be there, then stab Shepard in the chest. Hihihihihi.
*sticks out tongue*
roll credits.
Karak
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Ya man. It would have been amazing to see what happened. I refuse to believe that someone didn't address the endings for sure.
Still doesn't make sense to me. Because as humans, we never knowingly cull another species to save another species. At the most, we'd minimize them, like putting a genophage or trimming the amount of wild rabbits. But we'd never completely wipe them out. In fact, we preserve some species by creating wildlife habitant and protect them from extinction. Also, they are thinking from the POV that ALL organics are the same but they are not. Each organic have their own individuality so by wiping out certain organics, they basically destroying a unique species. Not to mention, if they are so hell bent on protecting organics, why don't the Reapers kill the offending synthetics who try to kill other organics instead? What a fail logic these Reapers have.
I'd shed some manly tears if that somehow appear in the ending. I'd be happy to see Shepard dead if the ending actually makes sense and shows that all of his sacrifices wasn't for naught. But not like this.
RyanardoDaVinci
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Yeah, but what perfect timing. Right near the reaper core, with all the indoctrination talk, you couldn't have planned it better. lol
Now me and Javik have to try to kill Kai Leng without EDI.
it's not going well. RAGE!
Barack Lesnar
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I couldn't believe how hot EDI looked in the mission you infiltrate Cerberus' base at the end of the game. Her model is just so ridiculously perfect... the huge firm ass, enormous tits, legs, thighs. I know that sounds creepy but good lord.
LightofRohan
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Man, this thread is moving fast.
Can't keep up!
We need someone to recap every 10 pages or so.
Can't keep up!
We need someone to recap every 10 pages or so.
What do you except from a TIM design?
I think it's a simple program. For some reason it needed the Crucible to update to firmware 2.0, where there's a Stop-killing option.
That to me seems like the real question to ask. Why the Crucible? Why does it add these options?
Damn, it is so depressing thinking about the possible endings for this game because it is the brainstorming session that Bioware should have had on their own. In a little more than a week, the community has crafted at least 5 solid endings that range from Shepard living, Shepard dying, and the Reapers winning. Why could Bioware (specially Walters) not do this on their own?
That would have been perfect.
Taking the events of the ending as we see them, what's everyone's thoughts of what would come after the ending? Do all the races in the combined armada just stay at Earth? Try to go home without the relays? Does the galactic civilization rebuild itself or stay isolated? What ultimately happens to the Normandy's crew. Thoughts? Theories?
I pretty much took his acceptance of Shepard in stride given that Shepard is essentially galactic Jesus. The legend of Shepard at the end only strengthens that, however stupid it is.
Shepard.
I don't think you know just how creepy that sounded you robosexual.
At least my bromance with Garrus is with another organic!
Freeza Under The Shower
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How does I throw switch? I'm a super AI, I can't be expected to know these things!
JUST JUMP INTO THE BEAM ALREADY HUMAN! OR I KILL YOU! which I'm going to anyway, but I like to play with people, as my child form should indicate.
I also feature in the walking dead, where I fuck up shit.
Honestly, I both love and despise Bioware for this ending. The ending was so mind fuckingly stupid that it was actually ingenious.
And yes, we have all been indoctrinated so badly that we'll discuss theories and shit until we're able to throw more money at our overlords.
Bioware are the Geth, EA are the Old Machines, and we are the Walking Meat Wallets.
EA Child: We created a solution to save you from spending your money on useful things, it's called DLC. You will accept it.
And yes, we have all been indoctrinated so badly that we'll discuss theories and shit until we're able to throw more money at our overlords.
Bioware are the Geth, EA are the Old Machines, and we are the Walking Meat Wallets.
EA Child: We created a solution to save you from spending your money on useful things, it's called DLC. You will accept it.
Escape Goat
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Earth hosts an intergalactic kegger.
don't ingest, you might die
SerArthurDayne
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Well, I mean the Reapers were pretty obviously well shackled in that they never decided to revolt and say fuck you starchild we are going to eat ALL organic life. And the ending could still technically make sense in that they don't exactly have baby monitors. They just stick their heads in every 50,000 years, scope the place out. I guess they think it is possible that synthetics might wipe out all the organics if they wait any longer than that.
You would think the whole Geth thing would have brought them in 300 years ago, though, which kind of indicates that their plan sucked. What was Sovereign doing? Just chilling? With Geth efficiency it seems like the Geth could have destroyed life in that time if they had really tried. The fact that they didn't kind of negates the conclusions that starchild makes.
Especially since you ally with them, and then fuck them just after you have given them true consciousness.
You would think the whole Geth thing would have brought them in 300 years ago, though, which kind of indicates that their plan sucked. What was Sovereign doing? Just chilling? With Geth efficiency it seems like the Geth could have destroyed life in that time if they had really tried. The fact that they didn't kind of negates the conclusions that starchild makes.
Especially since you ally with them, and then fuck them just after you have given them true consciousness.
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Not necessarily. It's a super-AI. Maybe it's become obsessed with the logic of its plan and has abandoned the idea that it could, perhaps, interject in the inevitable organic-synthetic wars by having the Reapers wipe out the Geth (for example). You know, like an angel watching over organic life's shoulder. Maybe it's become corrupt over time. Maybe it's gone astray and just perpetuates the Reapers existence.
All of that would work as a counter, and it doesn't make the Godbaby's argument stupid as a plot point.
Godbaby's argument is stupid as a plot point precisely because none of the above ever gets said in-game
The argument is still logically flawed. All you've said in his defense is he doesn't count as a synthetic, with no real evidence why that's true. If he's not a synthetic, but some kind of mystical god, then yeah okay whatever. But if he's synthetic, then his argument does not make logical sense unless he has somehow ascended past synthetic form which in turn invalidates his argument that all synthetics ultimately decide to kill all life, since it proves they can ascend past such conclusions.
EmCeeGramr
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"And then, my sweet, Mordin told The Shepard not to swallow Garrus's dextro-amino acidic semen while performing cross-species fellatio."
Freeza Under The Shower
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So uhm, what exactly happened to EDI? Did she get turned by the Reaper thing because you saved him or something?
littleworm
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Ugh, I keep going between acceptance and depression.
Well that's no fun. How can a relationship be healthy if neither one can swallow?
Jake Tower
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The 50,000-year cycle is so arbitrary. What if there's a civilization that advances in only 4,000 years and creates sentient AIs in 100? If they get wiped by the robots they build then the Reaper's purpose is completely flawed. Not to mention that they don't mention what they do to the synthetics created.
Buzz Aldrin is old Joker!
firehawk12
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Why do I get the feeling that maybe the other writers crafted that beautiful box scene with Shep and Liara, thinking it'd be incorporated in the ending by the head writer. But the head writer went "Oh hell no, I'm going to be artsy fartsy and 'original' about the ending. No need to incorporate your writing thanks!".
You misunderstand my point in a number of ways.
1) I never said he wasn't a synthetic. I emphasized he was still AI, not some demi-god.
2) It still has a cold, but not infallible, logic to it. We synthetics realize that we must protect organics from lesser synthetics. It's akin to playing God.
3) It doesn't have to be airtight perfect and sensible! The problem is the game never actually acknowledges the holes, and instead just has Shepard chug along saying 'lol k ur right'.
Mac Walters wasn't going to let some underling writer undercut his artistic vision.
But then the existence of the Catalyst himself would seem to disprove the notion. Here's a synthetic who, while certainly very advanced, can apparently control himself from wiping out everything in the galaxy even though he easily could (though it's likely he wiped out his own creators), so why wouldn't he confer the possibility for that on other synthetics?
Better yet, why wouldn't he quite simply take steps to intervene and reprogram synthetics that seemed to be getting out-of-hand and murderous? He's built up as incredibly powerful - with godlike technological abilities - so his method of purging the galaxy of all advanced organics in order to save the more primitive ones just seems backwards. It's throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
FemShep's into the facial anyway.
(Why am I participating in this?
because quarian are also based on dextro-amino acids
You lying sack of lies!
Finished it and I'm just shocked at the ending. After gathering all the war assets, I really expected something more, not just a "Enjoy your 3 terrible endings".
Give me control over where and how to deploy all the assets I gathered or show them in action or force me to make choices like I did during the final mission of ME2. Do something. Instead, it was just another mission with a terrible ending.
Hurray Space Jesus. Or something.
Brawndo Addict
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Looking over our argument I just realized how vital it is to know what the child-ghost thing was. Did he ever state he was an AI or was that part of LOTS OF SPECULATION. Essentially there's only two options, AI/Synthetic (logically flawed) or Organic/Mystical Being (logically consistent, but stupid). I don't feel like watching the end again, does anyone know what the child says about his own state?
FemShep's into the facial anyway.
(Why am I participating in this?
Because when we list the reasons why this thread passed the game's actual OT we want to show that it wasn't all rage and depression over here. No one wants to join that kind of group.
SerArthurDayne
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Why didn't he just NOT wipe out his creators?
Complistic
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There were 2 endings. Reapers win or Reapers destroyed.
Because he's an asshole, but that doesn't mean all synthetics are. :> He assumed that synthetics are inherently evil no matter what because he's a prick who killed his creators.
Sovereign tried to exterminate the races before the geth, but failed because the keepers wouldn't react.
Again, that's what makes it a good motivation. It's not perfect. It has holes. You can get the epic "YOU'RE WRONG!" dialogue confrontation from it.
The problem is that it's revealed in the last 5 mins of a 100+ hour series, and, in a series where the main char will argue when shit is stupid, the main char just nods and says "ohhhhh... that makes sense."
EDIT: I should add I still prefer the Lovecraftian-horror "you can't comprehend our motivations, insect" storyline instead of the above.
I'm also pissed off that Shep just went "Oh okay then, I choose one of those options" instead of "Die you dumbass POS synthetic/god!"
Y'know, in a Final Fantasy game, we would have fight that space Casper as a final boss and it'd eventually morph into a monstrous form. I can't believe I'm saying this but that'd have been preferable. Anything but going quietly with the dumb RGB explosions.
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