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Let me guess "something something entitlement something something get over it something something "
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Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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Zomba13
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Interesting note about the music if true. Does anyone have a video of that? I'm not going to play through Cerb base and London just to check.
I do think I'm ready to replay ME1. Keep remembering how awesome everything was at the start.
Same, though you can add Dune for me.
I rationalize Dune by simply ignoring anything that wasn't written by Frank Herbert himself.
Ya shepard on ME3 cover looked psycho
elrechazado
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Add in a really stupid "lol sex" reference from Garnett at whatever female is on the podcast, and you've got it.
I try to keep the collection easy to read for everyone.
Nothing because it was totally forgotten after ME1.
Is it still going? Poor crazy people. It's sad just thinking about it.
Wow. did he just say movies that don't project "you are awesome" are a waste of time? As much as the ending is bad I'm not sure this guy could have his head more up his ass.
Pollux
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He's dark and broody b/c he's being indoctrinated. Wouldn't you be dark and broody in that situation?
Empty Space
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It broke all the stuff on Illos got destroyed at least according to the council.
PsychoSoldier
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Yeah, Jeff K (who hasn't beaten the game) goes there, while Garnett says some slightly less silly things, but there's definitely some "journey not the destination" in there too.
I still believe in the indoctrination theory, I just don't believe bioware intended it and if by some chance the DLC follows up on it, it won't be because that was the original plan, but because they are doing damage control and they have an easy way out thanks to the fans. But so long as they don't do anything in the series to contradict the theory, we can still believe.
Why?
It's the only interpretation that makes any sense.
Karak
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Pretty close. Which is expected but sad. Especially as that group has, in the past, rallied behind holding devs/pubs responsible for even lesser items. Then the fact that they laughed directly at anyone bothered by the endings...then spent almost half the show saying how much they hated it, or if they had not beat it yet, how much they thought they would hate it. Oy vey.
What blows my mind is they did the show in the last day or 2 which means if they wanted any kind of factual data they could have seen what was really going on and the examples of other media where feedback has changed things. Instead they basically make it clear that people should shut it and live with it.
Someone says the word "Entitlement" then *laughter* was the beginning of the end.
Because as we all know, it cannot possibly be both.
I'd be dark and broody that internet people made up dumb theory and gave Bioware a way out of their shithole.
Drew Karpyshyn briefly discussed the ending on twitter.
Looks to me like choices with the Reapers and destroying the Mass Relays was planned for a long time.
I don't think that's what he said at all.
I agree for branching RPGs like ME (or at least what it should have been), but I think you can still "win" and have a bittersweet ending at the same time . Games like GoW3 and MGS3 both have fairly bittersweet endings, but they are done in such a way that you feel both a sense of accomplishment and closure. As long as the ending makes sense and is well written, I don't care if it is happy or apocalyptic.
Pollux
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Anything's better than what we currently have.
Maybe not projecting you are awesome, but having some happy ending in which things work out great. He specifically said
So yeah, he literally called it a waste of time. He didn't limit it to just depressing but expanded to include 'artsy' which I can only assume from context means any ending that isn't unambiguously positive.
To carry that into games wherein players of determinate of success or failure then it does become "you are awesome" ending.
Though there's no equivalent to The Boss in ME, I think the Illusive man could have filled her roll a bit. If we could have had a boss fight similar to its, I think it would have worked very well.
I guess he was being a bit of a jerk by using the word waste, but I think he only meant in relation to movies that end up being bad.
Your emotional attachment varies depending on how long you are around the characters portrayed. It's not something where you've spent 50 hours / a few years to get a crummy ending. You'll get over something that was a few hours sooner than that.
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They have hope.. more then they deserve
Yup. It says a lot about how bad the ending is that so many people would rather accept "It was all a dream"!1! over what we received.
Because Bioware would never be competent enough to pull something like that.
No shit man, no shit. On a positive note , ermmm I got nothingIt's amazing what mass depression can do to a group of people
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To the Washington monument we go!It's amazing what mass depression can do to a group of people
"I am the vanguard of your destruction - this exchange is over."
"Soverign...it's moving....that thing has turned a move that would shear our ships in half"
Cue Virmire music.....bliss. Still the best reaper exchange by a country mile.
Not really. The Indoctrination theory would be as bad as Bobby stepping out of the shower in Dallas. I'd rather Bioware did nothing rather than adapting that as some kind of get out clause.
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BabeSlayer
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the current state of our country is almost more depressing than the ME3 depression we all are feeling...lets leave Washington out of this for fear of mass suicide...
Empty Space
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The multiplayer is kind of neat? I guess that's a positive.
Great argument there. You'd be a great master debater.
Immune to the effects of re-entry!
So? Death of the Author.
The theory still applies until there in the story that overturns it. Bioware's intentions have nothing to do with it. I had hoped they intended the theory so that the DLC would build off it. Now that I know they didn't, it probably won't. Which sucks. But that doesn't invalidate the theory. What the STORY says is what matters, not what the author says.
Brand new patented upgrade after Cerberus rebuilt him. Atmosphere? Bitch please I'm the Shepard.
I just got to their ending discussion and had to stop. I'll finish tomorrow, but man is that going to irk me if they sit and rag on us. My podcast was honest about it and I admitted that I thought people were over-reacting until I finished the game and saw the end for myself. At that point I was like "Where can I send my money for this Retake Mass Effect 3 thing?"
So you are GAF! Nice can't wait to hear you guys talk about the ending more in depth.
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Karak
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And as I keep saying, It isn't even a happy ending if Shep lives.
Billions fucking died. People need to understand what the fucking term HAPPY even means.
I just couldn't understand how they could be so mocking of complaints about the ending and then later get so indignant about the day 1 DLC. I would have thought at the very least they would have been equally worthy of getting annoyed about.
Brawndo Addict
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You link that like it's some kind of scientific law of the universe and not an abstract literary theory with its own supporters and detractors. Many people, myself included, believe the context of a work, both the personal motives of the author and the cultural and historical period in which they lived, are vital to analysis. That doesn't mean there can't be any other interpretations aside from the authors', but we need to take what they intended into consideration.
Banana Kid
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It's fun.
Sovereign basically makes no sense at all when you factor in the Catalyst. Sovereign had to do all this stuff - indoctrinate Saren, discover the plans for the Conduit, manipulate countless people, when Kid Citadel was just hanging out apparently knowing about everything and not particularly caring. And what does he do in those intervening 50,000 years, anyway?
It would have been understandable for Sovereign to go through all that if he really was the only Reaper around to be able to communicate back to the rest of his peeps in dark space, but we now know he wasn't. Making it even funnier is that the Conduit sent people inside the Citadel itself, so you'd think the Catalyst would be quite well-aware of it.
Of course the actual answer is the Bioware writers probably had completely different plans for the Reapers back then, but it's still amusing. The Catalyst seems to invalidate a lot of what happened in ME1.
It would have been understandable for Sovereign to go through all that if he really was the only Reaper around to be able to communicate back to the rest of his peeps in dark space, but we now know he wasn't. Making it even funnier is that the Conduit sent people inside the Citadel itself, so you'd think the Catalyst would be quite well-aware of it.
Of course the actual answer is the Bioware writers probably had completely different plans for the Reapers back then, but it's still amusing. The Catalyst seems to invalidate a lot of what happened in ME1.
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Even in the completely implausible best case scenario of BioWare retconning the ending (including space Casper) with a sizable, free expansion pack, nothing will change the fact the first playthrough will always be soured by BioWare's incompetence.
Big Ben won't save itself, you know.
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