This cracked me up. Thanks for that.
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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This cracked me up. Thanks for that.
Yes, that felt very out of place in the game. I also think the scene in the war room after Thessia was one of the most horrible (and simultaneously hilarious) moments of narrative in the game.
Shepherd: I'm tired of Cerberus beating us to the punch! Does anyone know where they are?
Traynor: Yup! I do!
Shepherd: Great! Let's go!
Ugh! I'm down with the concept, but as far as dialogue and exposition goes, that was laughably horrendous! Still, as an overall product, I believe ME3 is a terrific game, although some of the dialogue felt a little bit more awkward than previous games, and of course, the ending was....well, we have near 150+ pages detailing THAT mishap.
Every Geth is a soldier, every Quarian ship is a war ship and the vast majority of Turians and Krogan are soldiers. Their planets have all been invaded by Reapers, except the Krogan world, but knowing Wrex he brought every single one of the like thousand remaining Tuchanka Krogan with himself.
Shake Appeal
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When Kai Leng jumps on your space car and slices it with his space sword or whatever, for a moment I wasn't sure whether the Mass Effect universe had melded with the Rush Hour universe or what else could possibly explain the silliness on my screen.
One of my favourite characters in the series got stabbed because a bunch of people refused to shoot their futuristic space guns at a dork in future Oakleys wielding a katana.
Geth and Quarians are Nomads, they were the least affected ones, really. And the civilian fleet isn't the Quarian military: they have guns, they aren't fighters. Krogan speculation is just speculation.
WanderingWind
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Oh my god. You're right. I was a sheep. Thank you for freeing my mind.
It was a good ending. The guy named Shepard said it was.
He doesn't just stab your space car. He twirls it around like a cosplay enthusiast posing for a fanfic video trailer, then stabs it.
brianmcdoogle
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To quote the movie The American President:
Anyway, this sums up my opinion on the indoctrination theory. Either the people who believe the indoctrination theory are desperate, or they have horrible taste and don't understand why it is a bad ending nevertheless.
Anyway, this sums up my opinion on the indoctrination theory. Either the people who believe the indoctrination theory are desperate, or they have horrible taste and don't understand why it is a bad ending nevertheless.
See, it isn't difficult to put sense in people's minds.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Don't Garrus and James play?
wsoxfan1214
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So now that I found the gif again, I can post it here to adequately sum up my reaction to the endings.
The War Asset entry for the Wuarians is literally the Migrant Fleet, that is all of their ships. While Geth aren't natively nomads, I can agree that they wouldn't really care if they were stranded far away from home since they don't age and could just stare out a window all the way home.
The Quarians being nomads does also not help them regarding the fact that they just got a new old homeworld. The way home from our system to theirs will by all accounts of FTL travel take more time than they were ever in exile from there before you had them come to Earth.
Krogan numbers are a little unclear because we have no idea how many clans there are, how numerous they are and if Wrex brought Eve with himself to Earth.
MrPink93485
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I want to make a Grandpa joke talking about 'The Shepard' but I suppose that would be overplayed.
Changing the ending would be non-trivial. Are they going to do new FMVs? Are they going to bring back voice actors? It's going to take them months, not weeks to do a re-write, block and animate new endings, bring in the voice cast, render some new shit up... Ungh, Bioware should just stand by their ending and leave it at that.
And it's not the "ending" that's the problem. It's the end-game. It's the fact that none of the decisions made through the first two games end up on the screen. That was the real appeal, that there'd be multiple endings, and that each was different based on what you did from the beginning. Unless they built that into ME3 from day one, they're not going to be able to provide the game with the kind of conclusion people were hoping for.
And it's not the "ending" that's the problem. It's the end-game. It's the fact that none of the decisions made through the first two games end up on the screen. That was the real appeal, that there'd be multiple endings, and that each was different based on what you did from the beginning. Unless they built that into ME3 from day one, they're not going to be able to provide the game with the kind of conclusion people were hoping for.
WanderingWind
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Wrex left Eve back on Tuchanga. She's already pregnant. There are some perks to be a clan leader, after all.
Wink, wink.
Rebel Leader
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Wrex didn't bring Eve, but without Wrex there to maintain order, it's very easy to SPECULATE that Tuchunka will experience a population boom followed by a mass extinction due to lack of resources.
Oh God his stupid fucking goddamn 'dramatic leap punch and hold weeaboo pose' bullshit in TIM's office.
Let's say everything you said is right. So that's a bad ending? It was better if they stayed in teir home waiting to be destroyed? They need everyone's power, and they knew they were probably going to die. I can't see the "wtf, they survived!!11" end as a bad thing, sometimes I think you guys would prefer if all the fleets just died there.
Also, that doesn't change the fact that the only races that brought all their population with them are the least affected by a "long travel" endgame.
Rebel Leader
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Just don't give him a toothbrush....
WanderingWind
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I think we're supposed to hate him or whatever, but I think my Shepard would've just started mocking him until he began crying about his Pokemon card collection or something.
MrTroubleMaker
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MasterShotgun
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Kaiden and Vega play a game at some point.
Rebel Leader
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Just make fun of his cereal eating skills
Kai Leng is the Star Wars kid all grown up.
WanderingWind
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You know what really sucks? This was shaping up to be the best ME of the series, until the end nullified everything.
- More robust character developments
- Side stories galore
- Less crowded, restricted pathways
- Citadel open again
- Inventory that mattered
- no "mission accomplished" shit
- great use of musical score
- combat was actually fairly legit. None of the randomness of ME1 and less of the tediousness of 2
- Got to see Asari homeworld!
- Got to shoot Illusive Man in the face
- Choices were mattering....
- More robust character developments
- Side stories galore
- Less crowded, restricted pathways
- Citadel open again
- Inventory that mattered
- no "mission accomplished" shit
- great use of musical score
- combat was actually fairly legit. None of the randomness of ME1 and less of the tediousness of 2
- Got to see Asari homeworld!
- Got to shoot Illusive Man in the face
- Choices were mattering....
TigerUppercut
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The only positive aspects of Kai Leng are that Shepard breaks his stupid sword by punching it and that ridiculous email he sends that might as well be someone on XBL sending you a message saying they're going to beat you up.
WanderingWind
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HAHAHA forgot about that! I was thinking the same thing.
...do you think it was on purpose? Like the Expanded Universe hacks decided that no matter what, Kai Leng was going to be in the game, no matter what, and the game writers made him as dorky as possible in protest?
Punching that stupid sword into pieces and then stabbing him was so much fun.
It's still instantly one of my favourite games all gen. I could make a laundry list of even more things they finally perfected and refined to their essence with ME3...
...but not right now. Maybe once this has all blown over.
MotionBlue
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I didn't intend to give it negative connotations. If Shepard is Space Jesus, Liara would be his first disciple.
WanderingWind
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If the first ten minutes, and the last ten minutes are removed, I totally agree with you. They really fixed a lot of shit. I don't think the ending thing is going to blow over. People generally start off with a much more positive reflection on the series which tends to fade over time.
Kaidan and James played poker in my game...
The game does a lot right as a sequel and evolves a lot of the mechanics we have had in previous games which is partly to blame for the volume of the backlash going on. The game was fantastic till the last 5 minutes, but as a whole easily one of my favourite series this generation.
But I still can't understand how the people at Bioware after so many years of work they have put into the games that they could possibly be happy with how they ended it.
heliosRAzi
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It's why the ending is so jarring. The rest of the game is so damn good.
TigerUppercut
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Unfortunately I think Bioware genuinely believed that Kai Leng was a cool badass antithesis to Shepard.
CrazedArabMan
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So now that I found the gif again, I can post it here to adequately sum up my reaction to the endings.
Why must you steal that gif from my post in the NHL thread, WHY!!!
Just kidding, that gif is absolutely amazing and sums up the ending pretty perfectly.
Confidence Man
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The first one I'll give you, but the rest...
ColonelColon
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Wow. Amazon is reportedly offering full refunds for opened copies of Mass Effect 3.
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/10085608/1
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/10085608/1
not FFVII. Its on par with this
FFVII still provides more closure, you didn't see what happened to your team in the long run of their life, but it had one definitive ending that clearly showed nature had come back to the world. It's not the cluserfuck that ME3 is.
Sure, people would rather the whole thing be a dream than what we got, but it provides a solid foundation that consistently explains the numerous inconsistencies.
Sure, people would rather the whole thing be a dream than what we got, but it provides a solid foundation that consistently explains the numerous inconsistencies.
You didn't like the attack on earth?If the first ten minutes, and the last ten minutes are removed, I totally agree with you. They really fixed a lot of shit. I don't think the ending thing is going to blow over. People generally start off with a much more positive reflection on the series which tends to fade over time.
It was rushed, no build up at all.
heliosRAzi
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Which is a large part of the reason why I honestly think they'll end up changing the ending.
And even if they say they won't, they'll change their mind after seeing the sales numbers for their first DLC pack.
WanderingWind
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No. God no. No, man.
Vent Boy "You can't save me."
Rush, rush, rush.
Explosions.
Vent boy dies. Cue sad music.
Why was this renegade, by the way? Should I have let him kill me? While we're at it, how was killing TIM or Udina renegade? I tried to convince them that what they were doing was wrong and why they should stop. In TIM's case he was about to kill Anderson so I stopped him, in Udina's case he was about to cause the death of the entire council.
I don't understand how those three cases are considered renegade. This, along with other minor things, made it so I couldn't be full paragon while in both ME1 and ME2 I had no trouble maxing that out.
TigerUppercut
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Who is this James Vega dude that Shepard's apparently buddies with? Why has Shepard been sitting on her ass on Earth for the past couple months? She apparently blew up a Mass Relay in Batarian Space? It was too rushed.
It's still largely preferable to what we got, because were it true, that would mean that there would almost certainly being a 'one more thing' free DLC coming. A tremendously well crafted non ending that implies a coming conclusion is still better than a terrible, definitive, ending that wrecks the universe and invalidates everything.
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