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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread |OT2| Taste the Rainbow
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For a second I thought I'd posted end-game spoilers in the regular topic when I saw all the black lines.
Why didn't Walters rip off the entire "you had your chance but failed, next cycle will tell" thing instead of his misinterpretation of how the first Matrix ended?!
Funny thing, Drew Karpyshyn's web page has a FAQ part where he answers the question "I am stuck in [X Bioware game[, what do I do?" with basically "Go to forums.bioware.com, they can help you". That hasn't been Bioware's forum since when Dragon Age launched.
heliosRAzi
Banned
i was going to be an asshole and post a bunch of spoilers, but I'm not as cool as Javik
you can give the book of poems to ashley in the hospital
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Then you are a fool.
I assume you can only do that if you romance her?
UnluckyKate
Member
My Shepard randomly gave Kaidan the wine without my input at the hospital, but that may have been because of the still active relationship from the first game.
HadesGigas
Member
I bought all of them. Shepard gave one to Ash automatically in the hospital scene. Don't remember which one, but it seemed pretty pointless.
I already started ME3 NG+ playthrough and I forgot about the ending for a second.
I installed and redownloaded the DLC for Mass 1. Booted it and just felt sad. Turned it off.
LightofRohan
Member
Yea a few times...
RedRedSuit
Member
Definitely. But I feel like it's just reopening the wound. What I really want is a new story-driven RPG to erase this. Xenoblade! One week left!
ColonelColon
Member
It doesn't get any better. It gets even worse. :/
I feel the same way about ME3. It's like the game just funnels you from one combat arena to another. Ultimately, it all just felt really tedious to me.
Tuchanka is great but it isn't the highest point in the game. Rannoch easily ties with it and then there all is all great character scenes in between.
Confidence Man
Member
There was nothing good about Rannoch. It was walking down a linear path the entire time and shooting some geth. Same with Tuchanka. The character scenes are the only good thing about any of the levels.
Sounds like every other shooter on the market.*
*or a typical Bioware game
I think Rannoch has a stronger conclusion story-wise, but for all the stuff in between, I thought Tuchanka was superior. Loved traipsing through all the Krogan ruins.
*or a typical Bioware game
I think Rannoch has a stronger conclusion story-wise, but for all the stuff in between, I thought Tuchanka was superior. Loved traipsing through all the Krogan ruins.
Zomba13
Member
I'm struggling though a ME1 playthough. I decided after the citadel to just cheat and give me a bunch of credits, skill points, xp, super weps etc to make it easier and quicker for me to get through the game. It does feel quite bad knowing how in the end it's all the same no matter what.
Do we count the side quest that you get during those missions? I did quite like the Legion one where you go into the Geth Matrix.
Though the Grunt mission and Turian one for Tuchanka were great as well.
I guess I might as well add my two cents about the end.
Shepard having to sacrifice herself doesn't bother me at all. All throughout the game, I had allies and friends sacrifice themselves to save the day, and on one occasion, it was the direct result of encouragement from Shepard. Between that and all the goodbyes to allies and squadmates before the very end, I saw it coming.
I will say that I completely didn't buy Shepard just accepting what the Catalyst said. Shepard has got to be one of the most argumentative protagonists ever created. She gets into arguments with people over their methods, butts into the squabbles of complete strangers, tries to question and debate reapers, and actually had this exact same conversation with Javik earlier. I don't care how grievously wounded she was, it's completely unbelievable to me that she would stand by and let the Catalyst say things that been proven (through peace with the geth) to be patently untrue. Or if I hadn't been able to achieve peace, I should have had the option to agree or disagree all the same.
About the destruction of the mass relays, I have mixed opinions. I've heard about all the different ways galactic relations can go to shit leading up the end. In a story where things went really badly and all the species were at each others' throats, I could see destroying the relays and stranding everyone where they were as possibly more desirable than the all-out war that could be threatened otherwise. Doesn't bode very well for everyone that would be stranded on Earth, but whatever. Problem is, that isn't the story I played. The story I played involved healing centuries to millenia-old rifts and rallying every advanced race together to take back the galaxy and usher in a golden age. I actually feel like the question of whether the mass relays should be destroyed would be a great final choice and would be fitting for Shepard's last act.
I don't really have much to say about the choices the game does give you, since the actual endings are so similar. The Synthesis ending feels like it would be a great jumping off point for a completely different story. The only other thing I can think of is the complete lack of closure for everyone else. During the final battle, there should have been a scene for each species I had allied with where they do something incredibly badass that helps turn the tide, and after the end, there should have been a scene for every major character and species where I can see what happened to them and where they plan to go from here. They put so many alternate story outcomes and acknowledgements of what you had done in the other games, and seriously, it's the fucking finale. Not having any of this just reeks of laziness to me.
The ending didn't ruin the game or the series for me, I just found it disappointing. If they really are doing an add-on that adds more endings or adds more closure or whatever, I'd be interested in seeing it.
Shepard having to sacrifice herself doesn't bother me at all. All throughout the game, I had allies and friends sacrifice themselves to save the day, and on one occasion, it was the direct result of encouragement from Shepard. Between that and all the goodbyes to allies and squadmates before the very end, I saw it coming.
I will say that I completely didn't buy Shepard just accepting what the Catalyst said. Shepard has got to be one of the most argumentative protagonists ever created. She gets into arguments with people over their methods, butts into the squabbles of complete strangers, tries to question and debate reapers, and actually had this exact same conversation with Javik earlier. I don't care how grievously wounded she was, it's completely unbelievable to me that she would stand by and let the Catalyst say things that been proven (through peace with the geth) to be patently untrue. Or if I hadn't been able to achieve peace, I should have had the option to agree or disagree all the same.
About the destruction of the mass relays, I have mixed opinions. I've heard about all the different ways galactic relations can go to shit leading up the end. In a story where things went really badly and all the species were at each others' throats, I could see destroying the relays and stranding everyone where they were as possibly more desirable than the all-out war that could be threatened otherwise. Doesn't bode very well for everyone that would be stranded on Earth, but whatever. Problem is, that isn't the story I played. The story I played involved healing centuries to millenia-old rifts and rallying every advanced race together to take back the galaxy and usher in a golden age. I actually feel like the question of whether the mass relays should be destroyed would be a great final choice and would be fitting for Shepard's last act.
I don't really have much to say about the choices the game does give you, since the actual endings are so similar. The Synthesis ending feels like it would be a great jumping off point for a completely different story. The only other thing I can think of is the complete lack of closure for everyone else. During the final battle, there should have been a scene for each species I had allied with where they do something incredibly badass that helps turn the tide, and after the end, there should have been a scene for every major character and species where I can see what happened to them and where they plan to go from here. They put so many alternate story outcomes and acknowledgements of what you had done in the other games, and seriously, it's the fucking finale. Not having any of this just reeks of laziness to me.
The ending didn't ruin the game or the series for me, I just found it disappointing. If they really are doing an add-on that adds more endings or adds more closure or whatever, I'd be interested in seeing it.
Zomba13
Member
...Same with the entirety of the main missions in ME3. Though you aren't shooting Geth most of the time.
I guess we could, but even then I think the Tuchanka stuff edges out all the Rannoch missions.
Legion's VR machine had potential but it was too boring--needed some actual threat in the level.
Psychoward
Banned
I think my main problems with most of the story missions are so short, Thessia was the only one that I could forgive for being so short, because it made sense, go in, get the artifact, get out.
And I guess Menae too, but not as much.
And I guess Menae too, but not as much.
DanielJr82
Member
Yep, that's me alright. =(
RedRedSuit
Member
ME1 and ME2 had more hub worlds/areas. ME3 only has the Citadel and Normandy. Generally I think ME3 is mechanically strongest, but this game was more combat-focused than any other before it.
They had more hub worlds, but many of those hub worlds served no purpose and often had nothing to do in them/interact with
lastplayed
Member
No, I'm replaying ME2 right now and it's awesome. There's no impending sense of doom, and it's fun replaying all the character loyalty quests.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Tuchanka is great, but the story is weak. You basically cure the Genophage with all the gusto of the Skyrim ending. Mordin dying is fantastic, but still.
What should have been a huge, ground breaking moment was distilled.
Rannoch, however, did it right.
What should have been a huge, ground breaking moment was distilled.
Rannoch, however, did it right.
That was so dull though. All you had to do was shoot some "bad" code sectors over and over. If there were some puzzles or something unique it would have been better.
I thought Rannoch was disappointing. I saved everyone, but it didn't really seem to be that much of a deal.
Nope.
It's just depressing now.
@WonkersTHEWatilla - I tried to play ME1 and I can't..I see Sovereign on Eden Prime and I get reminded of Space Child telling me that the Reapers are just his toys.
Takes away from how much of a badass he was.
Confidence Man
Member
Both had optional objectives littered through the missions, in the case of ME1 the structure was far more like areas you'd find in RPGs; non-combat areas mixed in with characters to help/exploit, puzzles, alternate ways to bypass obstacles, etc...
ME2 was more like a shooter but still retained some of the sub-objectives, while ME3 abandoned it altogether in favor of a strict linear shooter experience.
RedRedSuit
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Not true -- they were typically chock-full of side quests and conversations. Sure, many of the side quests were fetch quests, but a few weren't, and more importantly, they provided some sense of exploration and added atmosphere and for extra down time. The importance of such things should not be underestimated. Places like Ilium and Omega (and the Citadel) are a huge reason why Bioware games are so pleasant to play; and a huge reason (for example) people miss "towns" in FF XIII.
It's really one of the few major complaints I have with ME3's gameplay.
The Salarian Dalatrass is evil?
Escape Goat
Member
she condoned genocide on a people her species created and tried to discard when they became inconvenient. Maybe not evil but she wasn't afraid to get her hands dirty.
Man, this reminded me, as if I needed any reminder, why I love ME.
Mass Effect 3 is the mechanically strongest game of the 3 but is also the weakest in terms of actual ambition.
-They completely killed off exploration, even the little they had in ME2. It's amazing that they stripped down planet scanning and kept it, despite nobody (or atleast sane people) liking it. It doesn't work as a timesink or even being entertaining but feels more like a dead remnant from ME2. I mean hell they didn't even bother fixing the UI so now there appears to be tons of wasted space on the lower left. There is none of that vastness felt in ME1 and atleast the N7 missions in ME2 were more complicated and diverse than the wave design we got in ME3.
-Atleast ME2 had the ambition of trying with more than 1 hub world and it seems ME3 just completely regresses. Yes the Citadel is bigger but that's it. The Citadel missions are all glorfied fetch quests that don't even have the decency to differ or even be entertaining.
-All the wasted space on the Normandy. So many dead spots where nothing is happening like Jack's old area or Thane's. They didn't even bother trying anything with the areas except stuff them full of model ships in the hope that people didn't notice how fucking dead the areas are.
-The mission designs themselves are lazier and less interesting compared to ME2. We have none of the dialog only designs seen in Samara's loyalty mission or even some of the puzzle designs seen in the N7 missions.
In short, Mass Effect 3 feels like a mixture of ME1 with an even more streamlined version of ME2 and even then fails short in certain areas.
-They completely killed off exploration, even the little they had in ME2. It's amazing that they stripped down planet scanning and kept it, despite nobody (or atleast sane people) liking it. It doesn't work as a timesink or even being entertaining but feels more like a dead remnant from ME2. I mean hell they didn't even bother fixing the UI so now there appears to be tons of wasted space on the lower left. There is none of that vastness felt in ME1 and atleast the N7 missions in ME2 were more complicated and diverse than the wave design we got in ME3.
-Atleast ME2 had the ambition of trying with more than 1 hub world and it seems ME3 just completely regresses. Yes the Citadel is bigger but that's it. The Citadel missions are all glorfied fetch quests that don't even have the decency to differ or even be entertaining.
-All the wasted space on the Normandy. So many dead spots where nothing is happening like Jack's old area or Thane's. They didn't even bother trying anything with the areas except stuff them full of model ships in the hope that people didn't notice how fucking dead the areas are.
-The mission designs themselves are lazier and less interesting compared to ME2. We have none of the dialog only designs seen in Samara's loyalty mission or even some of the puzzle designs seen in the N7 missions.
In short, Mass Effect 3 feels like a mixture of ME1 with an even more streamlined version of ME2 and even then fails short in certain areas.
The Mars theme is one of my favorites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZsR6jKT8bk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZsR6jKT8bk
Old but thought I'd post it here:
http://www.oxm.co.uk/39736/revealed-the-mass-effect-3-ending-bioware-canned-before-release/
http://www.oxm.co.uk/39736/revealed-the-mass-effect-3-ending-bioware-canned-before-release/
She's Lawful Evil by my estimation.
In my game it was awesome. I chose to sacrifice the fleet and side with the Geth. Tali begged for me to save her friends, I replied with a "Sorry". Tali's race was destroyed and she removed her mask (never seen her face though) and she jumped off the cliff.
lastplayed
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bigdaddygamebot
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But...that's a terrible fucking ending.