edgefusion
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Im still pissed that I couldnt gay up Kaidan.
I gayed the hell out of Kaidan. I think he was drunk the whole time but who cares? He has a pretty face.
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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread |OT2| Taste the Rainbow
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I gayed the hell out of Kaidan. I think he was drunk the whole time but who cares? He has a pretty face.
ColonelColon
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I actually didn't really mind that the uncharted planet exploration was removed. I think Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 suffer more from feeling really repetitive due to the straight forward, linear, combat-heavy level design. For me, it was even more noticeable in Mass Effect 3, due to the removal of the minor side objectives that were still present in Mass Effect 2 (like saving Mordin's assistant, for example).
Clearly it had faults, I'm not saying it didn't. I'm just saying I don't understand the people saying ME2 was horrible and garbage. It did things wrong, but it did things right too. It was a great game overall and far from shit.
I like what Zomba posted above, if we could just combine the three aspects each ME did best into one game it would be the greatest thing ever.
Not in my game. I walked in on Garrus and Tali getting cozy Near the end. It was awesome.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Wrex is fucking awesome.
Javik is fucking awesome.
Those two with a renegade Shepherd would have been dreamy.
Would it be worth buying the Prothean DLC and starting a NG+?
I keep hearing how awesome Javik was and I'm regretting not buying it before I started playing. I just assumed that it was a post-ending DLC like Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival and I was planning on buying it after I had beaten the game, but then the ending pissed me off and I found out the DLC was meant to be played before the ending, so now I am sad.
I keep hearing how awesome Javik was and I'm regretting not buying it before I started playing. I just assumed that it was a post-ending DLC like Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival and I was planning on buying it after I had beaten the game, but then the ending pissed me off and I found out the DLC was meant to be played before the ending, so now I am sad
.harriet the spy
Member
I always thought of her more as a space gypsy.
On a different note, what's the best source for the indoctrination theory? (not proof, i just want to read a clearly written argument)
Would it be worth buying the Prothean DLC and starting a NG+?
I keep hearing how awesome Javik was and I'm regretting not buying it before I started playing. I just assumed that it was a post-ending DLC like Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival and I was planning on buying it after I had beaten the game, but then the ending pissed me off and I found out the DLC was meant to be played before the ending, so now I am sad
Depends on how willing you are to re-play the campaign and if you would love to have a jerk in your crew.
HadesGigas
Member
Would it be worth buying the Prothean DLC and starting a NG+?
I keep hearing how awesome Javik was and I'm regretting not buying it before I started playing. I just assumed that it was a post-ending DLC like Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival and I was planning on buying it after I had beaten the game, but then the ending pissed me off and I found out the DLC was meant to be played before the ending, so now I am sad
Where did you get that idea when everything written about it, even the official descriptions point out it's about a prothean squadmate?
Would it be worth buying the Prothean DLC and starting a NG+?
I keep hearing how awesome Javik was and I'm regretting not buying it before I started playing. I just assumed that it was a post-ending DLC like Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival and I was planning on buying it after I had beaten the game, but then the ending pissed me off and I found out the DLC was meant to be played before the ending, so now I am sad
He's a pretty major character, provides a lot of interesting dialogue and backstory. Especially during the mission on Thessia. Plus he's hilarious.
Seriously shitty of Bioware to put him in as paid DLC
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Would it be worth buying the Prothean DLC and starting a NG+?
I keep hearing how awesome Javik was and I'm regretting not buying it before I started playing. I just assumed that it was a post-ending DLC like Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival and I was planning on buying it after I had beaten the game, but then the ending pissed me off and I found out the DLC was meant to be played before the ending, so now I am sad
Personally; I found the Shadow Broker DLC far more compelling when you worked it into a playthrough part-way.
Javik is a high point in the unpolished and disappointing experience that is Mass Effect 3.
From a complete prick point of view, Bioware was smart to rip it out of the game and charge extra for it.
Media Blackout pre-ME3.
HollovVpo1nt
Banned
So I just read up on the indoctrination theory. I really, really hope it's true. If it isn't, I hope Bioware makes it the truth.
B..b..but EDI, and the Geth ?
B..b..but EDI, and the Geth
?Confidence Man
Member
I started ME2 again, and the difference between that and ME3 is crazy. Redoing Mordin's mission on Omega it's by far better than anything in ME3. After convincing the Turian to let you into the quarantine zone you make your way through apartment blocks, you run into a sick Batarian you can help, a couple hiding in their apartment, and a couple of humans looting another apartment as well as a bunch of turians that died and left logs of their last moments. Then you find Mordin and in addition to getting the cure out you can find and rescue his assistant. Then when it's all over you see the Batarian hanging around if you helped him and he thanks you. That was probably one of the better missions in ME2 but the contrast between that and ME3's completely straightforward and boring shooter design couldn't be clearer.
harriet the spy
Member
Would it be worth buying the Prothean DLC and starting a NG+?
I keep hearing how awesome Javik was and I'm regretting not buying it before I started playing. I just assumed that it was a post-ending DLC like Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival and I was planning on buying it after I had beaten the game, but then the ending pissed me off and I found out the DLC was meant to be played before the ending, so now I am sad
You kind of have to like douchebags to like javik. A badass douchebag, but a douchebag nonetheless.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
I can agree with this. ME2 had little and 3 had no breathing room between missions. The sense of urgency was increased artificially by not allowing any actual exploration or 'off the beaten path' type scenarios.
I think someone said it earlier in the thread, but ME1 was a campy but enjoyable 70s-80s scifi series that was changed in ME2-3 to be a blockbuster episodic tv show in 2 and fly-through-the-action-scenes movie in 3.
ME3 is literally a corridor-fest 3rd person shooter with decent controls and tech/biotic powers and a semi-strong story of 2 games before it to back it up.
ME2 did character exploration really well, at the expense of a lot of world exploration. The combat was 'better', but having all powers tied to a global cooldown was pretty annoying. ME3 managed to improve the combat a lot more with weapon variety and things like weight and faster power usage.
Yeah, that would be game of the forever. Too bad it'll never be more than a pipe dream. :/
HadesGigas
Member
But like on the main menu screen of the game it says "prothean squadmate".
Indoctrination theory is lame. Also you can only reach around 3500 EMS with single player alone. You'll need MP to get the rating up.
I wouldn't go that far but it's far and away the worst entry in the series
bigdaddygamebot
Member
That's all they had to do. It really wasn't that complicated. They were greedy. They rushed it. We got this.
I wasn't even connected to XBL when I played it, so the only screen there was was the Galaxy at War saying "Error cannot connect to Galaxy at War". I seriously spared no expense in spoiling absolutely nothing, and then Bioware just fucks up the ending. Made it so much worst to go through.
I LOVE ME2, even without DLC. It has a lot of flaws, but really, every single Mass Effect has a bunch. I think 3 > 2 > 1 overall, but I think 2 is much better than 1.
So I just read up on the indoctrination theory. I really, really hope it's true. If it isn't, I hope Bioware makes it the truth.
B..b..but EDI, and the Geth
I know, Legion was one of my favourites and his death was meaningful at the time. EDI was as loyal as Garrus, but we all knew there would have to be sacrifices
Earth was on fire before my eyes, Anderson was dead and some God Kid was pissing me off with his circular reasoning and poor exposition, I had to end it all.
I'm going to be honest, I never thought about EDI. Joker's going to be pissed.
Like he gives a fuck, he was too busy running away trying to save his own skin
harriet the spy
Member
Sorry to ask again - does anyone have a good document explaining the indoctrination theory, and its rebuttal?
The documents in the OP just explain why ME3's ending sucks
edit: I know there's google but i'd like to read whatever is better written
The documents in the OP just explain why ME3's ending sucks
edit: I know there's google but i'd like to read whatever is better written
dr_rus
Member
- Green
- Dislike
- It doesn't make sense and destroy ME universe at the same time.
- No
- Yes (maybe, depends on the content)
- Yes (maybe, depends on the content)
- Yes
- 1, 2, 3
- 1
Well I rolled with Garrus for every mission in the entire game, still no excuse not to include a Krogan.
Did a lot of people miss the romance between Garrus and Tali? you catch Garrus almost calibrating her.
Sorry to ask again - does anyone have a good document explaining the indoctrination theory, and its rebuttal?
The documents in the OP just explain why ME3's ending sucks
edit: I know there's google but i'd like to read whatever is better written
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck
This video is the main thing AFAIK. I don't know of any rebuttal video.
Ivan A Nguyen
Member
What if they just came and killed every machine every 50k years. They are huge indestructible robits. That doesn't seem like that hard of a task. Or better yet, indoctrinate the 3 laws of robotics into all synthetics.
It took me less than 5 minutes to think up better answers then mass genocide.
It took me less than 5 minutes to think up better answers then mass genocide.
TheLucifer
Member
ME3 GAF Poll
- What color did you pick? R/G/B? Red
- How do you feel about the ending? Like/Dislike/Hate/Neutral (Indifferent)? Hate it.
- Please describe why you feel this way.
- Are you indoctrinated (believe in the theory)? Yes/No No
- In general will you buy ME3 DLC? Y/N? Lol, no.
- Would you buy a revised interactive ending DLC? Y/N Lol, no x2. The ending is what I've seen at the end of my first playthrough. That's it, I couldn't care less about any ending DLC
- Have you played previous ME games? Y/N?Yup
- In what order have you played the games? 1, 2, 3 ? 1, 2 ,3
- Favorite game in the trilogy?Well, 3 was great until the final two hours. I'd say three, then.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
Or just blasted out a massive EMP ever couple of thousand years.
Ivan A Nguyen
Member
My Tali died before I could see that happen. She didn't handle the real estate crash that came after the Geth v Quarian war.
Or do what I did in ME2 and mine every planet possible until it's just a hollow husk. Then they won't have anything to build synthetics out of.
harriet the spy
Member
Thanks. I don't buy this was the intent, but this is very well made. I'd love to read a well-written rebuttal. Can't find anything so far. Funny thing is that it's more consistent with the universe than the actual endings.
Well hey, even in the destroy ending, Joker seems pretty happy about landing on Lost Planet! (even though one would think that he would be the first to know about EDI dying, with her being the ship's goddamn AI)
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It only makes sense because you want it to.
Looking at the spreadsheets, the indoctrination theory is appropriately fringe. Seems to be a loud, vocal minority supporting this.
Ivan A Nguyen
Member
It's cool cause she hid out in the life tree until she could take over one of Ender's bodies and rejoin Joker the crippled.
Wait... someone already did a romance between a genetically defective loner and an AI? It was called "Children of the Mind"? Oh well.
Here's a random question.
The Yahg were written as a near space-age civilization, "20th Cenutry Earth" as per the wikia.
Why the hell would I believe that the Reapers should take a "nothing to see here, move along sir" mentality to that civilization?
At least from what I assumed happened, extinction at the end of each cycle left nothing but primitive species along the lines of humans 20-50K years ago to begin evolving in the next cycle, not a species on the doorstep of space-flight.
The Yahg were written as a near space-age civilization, "20th Cenutry Earth" as per the wikia.
Why the hell would I believe that the Reapers should take a "nothing to see here, move along sir" mentality to that civilization?
At least from what I assumed happened, extinction at the end of each cycle left nothing but primitive species along the lines of humans 20-50K years ago to begin evolving in the next cycle, not a species on the doorstep of space-flight.
I don't believe it's the intent, but I do hope bioware rolls with it and makes a new ending. It's the cleanest way they can get away with doing so.
Near space-age? 1950's to our modern times Earth wouldn't be able to use the Charon relay if we wanted to (and not for an even longer time), so I supposed they considered that primitive enough. Who knows? The Reaper standards are unknown and they have crap logic from what I understand.
HollovVpo1nt
Banned
Sorry to ask again - does anyone have a good document explaining the indoctrination theory, and its rebuttal?
The documents in the OP just explain why ME3's ending sucks
edit: I know there's google but i'd like to read whatever is better written
This was really helpfull to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck
Edit: Nvm, beaten.
Best case scenario for them they get around 49500 years to find and build the Crucible.
I'm at a Barnes and Nobles right now, and I looked at a copy of Deception. I opened it up and one of the pages had a corner folded down. Naturally I look at it, and to my surprise it's the fucking cereal page. I started laughing, almost to the point of crying. One of the employees walks up and asks if I needed any assistance and I could barely let out a "no". How could anyone be so retarded to include that in a piece of professional writing?
Yahg were prepping their first spaceship. At least from the game's timeline, humans went from the waltzing on the moon in 1969 to discovering the relay in 2148. 200 years (or even a 1,000 if it took them five times as long) is a far cry from the 49.8K it took humans, or even the 47K or so it took Asari (using wikia again).
Also, true. Crap logic indeed.
Operating under the fiction that the Reapers's actions made some damn sense, yeah, that's why the question came to me. Giving a species a 49K year head start into devising some means of toppling the Reapers seems odd. Hell, they'd start expanding soon enough to find the freshly charred remains of everything that just happened.
harriet the spy
Member
You could try writing something a bit more interesting.
I do agree that most supporters of the indoctrination theory probably believe it because they want a good ending so badly.
At the same time, the theory they crafted incidentally makes more sense than the actual ending bioware intended. At least, it contradicts the universe less.
Might as well:
ME3 GAF Poll
ME3 GAF Poll
- What color did you pick? R/G/B? Red
- How do you feel about the ending? Like/Dislike/Hate/Neutral (Indifferent)? Dislike it
- Please describe why you feel this way.
- Are you indoctrinated (believe in the theory)? Yes/No No
- In general will you buy ME3 DLC? Y/N? Nope, in fact I'm pretty much done with Bioware, though I knew that before playing ME3 (even though I have still $30 worth of points I'll never use)
- Would you buy a revised interactive ending DLC? Y/N No, I would just youtube it. I don't think that they either had to change it or that it will be substantial enough to make it good anyway.
- Have you played previous ME games? Y/N? Of course
- In what order have you played the games? 1, 2, 3 ? 1->2->3
- Favorite game in the trilogy? ME 1 for sure. Campy, with great scope and ambition and a great introduction to the universe. Saren was just the icing on the awesome cake.
that would be ridiculous huh
Maybe it's because of the Yahg's predisposition to violence; more so than the Krogan's? They figured the Yahg will continuously destroy themselves enough to hinder their progress or into extinction.
Man, I don't know. All I know is that the Shadow Broker being a Yahg was kind of a bummer.
ME3 GAF Poll
- What color did you pick? R/G/B? Green
- How do you feel about the ending? Like/Dislike/Hate/Neutral (Indifferent)? Dislike
- Please describe why you feel this way.
- Are you indoctrinated (believe in the theory)? Yes/No Yes
- In general will you buy ME3 DLC? Y/N? No
- Would you buy a revised interactive ending DLC? Y/N No
- Have you played previous ME games? Y/N? Yes
- In what order have you played the games? 1, 2, 3 ? 1->2->3
- Favorite game in the trilogy? Looking back, ME1.