Oh I agree that the scenes in general were bullcrap "war is hell" nonsense and that Ash/Kaiden were awful characters in ME1 (and continued to be in ME3).
Just that, if they were going to go down the PTSD route, there was a much better alternative.
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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread |OT2| Taste the Rainbow
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Oh I agree that the scenes in general were bullcrap "war is hell" nonsense and that Ash/Kaiden were awful characters in ME1 (and continued to be in ME3).
Just that, if they were going to go down the PTSD route, there was a much better alternative.
Blame Mac Walters?
This would make too much sense. They needed to be abstract and avant-garde and deep.
Also, notice the Inception aspect of the last scene. Shep gets hit by the lasers, goes into a dream, dreams up the rest of the story including the talk with TIM and Anderson. Then Shep goes deeper after falling asleep in that dream. Finally in limbo Shep talks to the Vent Kid in AI form. Then the dream collapses.
A gasp for air!
Inception
Nope.
Earth being destroyed and Anderson who has grown to be like a mentor/father figure life hanging in the balance has no effect on Shepard.
Random kid I met for 2 minutes? Oh noes. My life as I know it is over
Shit like that is why I believed in the indoc theory at first. Then slowly over time just came to realize that BioWare is just an average-at-best developer.
I agree. It's not "irrational" to theorise about something which is supported by existing evidence.
It's clearly nothing....
I guess I didn't save the image. It's a short comic. Basically it shows Shep not giving a damn about other things in the story, but then he/she start crying about the kid.Nope.
Earth being destroyed and Anderson who has grown to be like a mentor/father figure life hanging in the balance has no effect on Shepard.
Random kid I met for 2 minutes? Oh noes. My life as I know it is over
Shit like that is why I believed in the indoc theory at first. Then slowly over time just came to realize that BioWare is just an average-at-best developer.
I would have been struck if it were kitten though. Or a bunny. Oh god no! Not a bunny.
That's OT1 olde.
Wouldn't it have been awesome to get into the Mako, drive into the beam, and then go all crazy with it on the Citadel/Crucible? Wouldn't that have been cool? I agree.
Hmmm...
I can't tell the parody from the true believers anymore.
Are you acquainted with the concept of shapes?
Hmmm...
Let me talk to you about reusing assets.
You see, assets are expensive. Both in memory and $. So, anytime you can, you reuse an assets that was previously created!
Welcome to the modern world of video games.
Also, I still don't understand what I'm looking at. I see one burned Mako on a battleground and some round things.
I never noticed the shapes till you pointed it out.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Is such a thing even possible?
Yes.
It is.
The funny thing is, the Mako wheels/gears on the Citadel aren't even the same assets. This is literally looking at two circles and thinking they have something to do with one other because they are round.
The game would continue with him alive post-culling? Explain that. And, again, no. If Indoctrination Theory is true, it does make your major decisions ultimately meaningless. Every "branching" of all possible paths leads to you never reaching that beam. No decision changes that particular unavoidable outcome. If the choices affect Shepard personally after getting hit with the beam -- as you claim -- we would still need multiple diverse endings to account for how those decisions were viewed and manifested in Shepard's mind. Having the decisions become "self-contained" is inherently a decision-invaliding mechanism; gathering war assets should not end with pseudopsychological douchebaggery, it should mean I have actual tangible war assets. And, again, I had a qualifier to my claims: ultimately.
It'd be better if we saw Shepard barely alive, with or without his own mind, the now hopeless war playing out above. The inevitable end of the universe as we know it. Your choices aren't rendered meaningless because you die. They're recorded in a time capsule, heheheh.
I'd still have liked better motivation for the Reapers and Catylist.
I think one main reason the ending disappoints is because it feels like your squad and allies have contributed nothing to the final conclusion. You get all tooled up to go on a final mission and then you just run headlong (literally) into the brick wall of an abrupt ending. The ideas present in the ending would have worked fine if there was an hour or so spent fleshing them out and involving the other cast members in their resolution, instead the whole thing just feels poorly conceived and rushed.
There is one that just says "Reapers."
As appropriate as that image macro may be, it's annoying in every thread.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
This has been said, but moral horribleness about synthesis aside, with red and blue, a wave that disables the reapers, or takes control is fine. It makes sense kinda, but one that alters life through the whole galaxy and gives them random circuits (and does the same to hats)? What the hell? What is this energy?? I know... space magic, but really?? What the hell? It is so ridiculous. Who came up with that Idea?
I can't believe it came to space magic in the end. :/
If they do address the issues with a patch, like answering these questions, I'll be fine.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Is the wheel thing a joke I'm not getting? They don't even look alike other than that their WHEELS.
The idea is that green would be symbolic of a compromise between the red and blue options. But since the red option is the only one where it is possible for Shepard to be seen to survive this "compromise" also fits in perfectly with the indoctrination theory. Bioware failing upwards in spectacular fashion.
The control ending DOES have him survive. It's a cutscene. Look it up.
And what they have NOW doesn't mean much, no, but I'm talking about how the DLC could fix that. With the indoctrination ending, your decisions still have the chance of mattering because the war is not finished yet, so they still retain value. Hence the star wars analogy. The fact that Vader is his son still matters, that value just hasn't been used yet. That's what I meant, not that the decisions affect shepards mind, because they obviously don't. The point of the indoctrination theory is that the indoctrination should end and Shepard gets back into the fight where, yes, your military assets do matter.
Besides, if they keep the ending as it is, I have no fucking idea how they are going to be able to continue the storyline and account for all the plotholes and errors.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
No no no no, you missed my point. A green wave of energy somehow gave every living thing (and some inanimate objects) circuits and wires. How does that make any sense?
They can fill them with cement and space magic. Besides, there aren't really that many plot holes. There are several inconsistencies, but space magic is real.
From now on, we shall use the Space Magic(TM) clause of because I jumped into the lasers, that's why.
Oh, sorry. No it wouldn't make any sense at all, it would just have to be space magic. Control option might make sense but the other 2 would have to be sorcery of some kind, which again is just awful fucking writing.
Yes, I've seen it. And what exact quotas do you have to meet in order to trigger that scene? And you have to be reaching for straws in order to convince me that him being "alive" (an ending that only a fraction of people will experience because not all endings that have the potential to have Shepard come out alive actually have him do so) justifies everything else being relatively insignificant. If that split second shot was one of many different split second shots (Shepard alive, Shepard whimpering and dying, Shepard alive but indoctrinated, etc.) I could conceivably understand.
I'm glad we had this conversation.
Edit: I misread. I have seen the clip of him living, but I don't know what ending it is associated with.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Do you think he knows all of Commander Shepard's favorite stores on him?
I just looked this up and it seems to be true. So applying the theoretical logic of the whole thing being an indoctrination doesn't work. Wow. Just, wow. Worst ending ever, it wins hands down. There is no way to even pretend that it makes any sense.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Wait, the control ending has the laying in rubble thing too? I thought it was just Destroy.
On further investigation it appears to be some bullshit that some little punk faked after ign had a misprint in their wiki, so I can totally continue to live in my delusion.
I tried to change mine to Marauder Shields but somebody beat me.
That guy is awesome. You could have been awesome.
Yeah same here.
Wish I would have known about the legend himself sooner, then maybe I could have had it.
I don't see what's messed up about that. Liara Jr wrapped in her dads N7 hoodie (presumably femsheps).
It's not like that's a baby Liara.
Even if it was 'baby Liara' that picture could be a touching metaphor for their relationship, highlighting Liara's childlike glee, or reliance (from ME1, anyway).
Actually there's not disturbing about this art, it's even technically sound.
Nope. Only Destroy. Control ending turns Shepard into a pulp.
The Best Control Ending (Shepard still dies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9tg8PncpQw
The Best Destroy Ending (Shepard lives)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdWqlsQjWo
Notice how in Control, all you get after the Normandy crew is Stargeezer scene.
pulga
Banned
Finished the game last night, been slowly working my way up the madness that is this thread and the tumblrs and gifs.
Man, Bioware, when the fuck did you lose your shit? The game was stellar, if not my favorite in the series, up until the end. They retroactively made the previous games meaningless with the bullshit they pulled. DLC better be free.
Man, Bioware, when the fuck did you lose your shit? The game was stellar, if not my favorite in the series, up until the end. They retroactively made the previous games meaningless with the bullshit they pulled. DLC better be free.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
...Say whaaat??
Arjen
Member
Happened in Arrival
There's nothing wrong with the control or destroy choices to end it, and the bleaker ME universe it leaves us with. Taking down the Relays and Citadel to stop the Reapers makes some sense.
The third option doesn't make any sense. All they should do, if they do anything, is clear up how your squad managed to escape, and what the Reaper/Catalyst were up to because that was a naff explanation.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Even if it is the star child is still gonna talk stupid shit and the relays are still gonna explode and you're still gonna be left sitting there thinking "what the fuck just happened?".
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
I rember people saying Arrival was just a solo combat slog, now it's more important to the ending then all of 2 and most of 3.