I might be too late, but just let Marauder Shields do his job.
Too many of us killed him when he was just trying to save us, don't make the same mistake.
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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread |OT2| Taste the Rainbow
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I might be too late, but just let Marauder Shields do his job.
Too many of us killed him when he was just trying to save us, don't make the same mistake.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I thought the dream stuff was pretty decent. It didn't need to be redone 3 times though.
Okay, so best songs in the series go to An End Once and For All and Mass Effect 1's theme song. Both are fantastic representation of the entire experience and bookend the journey perfectly.
Great, emotional opening that is evocative of beginnings and exploration themes for the opening, and a sad, sparse ending utilizing themes of emptiness for the end. Can't fault the sound director, musicians attached with the series whatsoever. They did a great job.
Okay, so best songs in the series go to An End Once and For All and Mass Effect 1's theme song. Both are fantastic representation of the entire experience and bookend the journey perfectly.
Great, emotional opening that is evocative of beginnings and exploration themes for the opening, and a sad, sparse ending utilizing themes of emptiness for the end. Can't fault the sound director, musicians attached with the series whatsoever. They did a great job.
heliosRAzi
Banned
To piss you off and pad time since you can fucking lose the kid...
Sorry, they're "art" and "deep" and show how much Shepard cares about one random kid's death (and not the billions of other dead kids, of course).
the major backlash in BSN, twitter, emails, forums, user reviews, Child's Play donations and returns are probably having some impact. man, who knew this would turn out to be such a shitstorm.
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Deleted member 81567
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the awkward moment when "LiK" posts in a thread that's called "taste the rainbow". so awkward.
Alright, so I know I'm preaching to the choir, but there've been a lot of repeated arguments against those of us who are complaining about the ending and I'd rather vent to sympathetic people than the comments section of a blog that'll never be looked at.
1) If games are art then demanding a changed ending negates authorial intent.
I don't think anyone is seriously arguing that Mass Effect is high art here. It's Star Wars, it's Harry Potter, it's Buffy. It's well liked and for the most part very well made but it's not a paragon of all that is true and beautiful. Art games and commercial games are different, and I doubt an art game could ever garner this level of passion anyways.
2) You're just complaining because you don't like sad endings.
Man this one is getting old. I haven't seen anyone seriously asking for the ice cream and puppies ending to ME3. I won't mind if everyone dies and the mass relays get destroyed, hell that just makes the future uncertain and leaves room for ME4 if they wanted. What we want is for the ending to MAKE SENSE. Faulty logic, poor characterization, and space magic are not satisfying after 100 hours of more or less solid world building.
3) It's Bioware's game and they can end it how they want.
I'd have an easier time swallowing this if I really thought Bioware was internally responsible for the ending. You know that some EA focus group designed the ending, Bioware's writing has never been this shaky in ME and it's hard to believe they'd let it all slip through their fingers in the last few minutes. We knew that they had an ending planned since the first game, they didn't have to use it but they've clearly been thinking about this for a long time. Maybe it's deflecting the blame but I think most of use believe this was EA's fault (it's easy to hate on the big guy).
Anyways, /rant.
1) If games are art then demanding a changed ending negates authorial intent.
I don't think anyone is seriously arguing that Mass Effect is high art here. It's Star Wars, it's Harry Potter, it's Buffy. It's well liked and for the most part very well made but it's not a paragon of all that is true and beautiful. Art games and commercial games are different, and I doubt an art game could ever garner this level of passion anyways.
2) You're just complaining because you don't like sad endings.
Man this one is getting old. I haven't seen anyone seriously asking for the ice cream and puppies ending to ME3. I won't mind if everyone dies and the mass relays get destroyed, hell that just makes the future uncertain and leaves room for ME4 if they wanted. What we want is for the ending to MAKE SENSE. Faulty logic, poor characterization, and space magic are not satisfying after 100 hours of more or less solid world building.
3) It's Bioware's game and they can end it how they want.
I'd have an easier time swallowing this if I really thought Bioware was internally responsible for the ending. You know that some EA focus group designed the ending, Bioware's writing has never been this shaky in ME and it's hard to believe they'd let it all slip through their fingers in the last few minutes. We knew that they had an ending planned since the first game, they didn't have to use it but they've clearly been thinking about this for a long time. Maybe it's deflecting the blame but I think most of use believe this was EA's fault (it's easy to hate on the big guy).
Anyways, /rant.
Not at all. Most of the core game is excellent. Tons of callbacks and great moments. I'm going to do a second go through when I get done with Silent Hill.
It's just the ending cuts deep.
heliosRAzi
Banned
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Kelly would've been a good choice here.
ElectricBlue187
Member
To confuse and annoy you with the slow motion running
Virmire Victim! Only guaranteed dead character in everyone's game.
An End Once and For All really doesn't do it for me. I much prefer Suicide Mission myself. I do agree on Mass Effect 1's theme, though.
R_thanatos
Member
I hope these are true then ... it looks like it make sense
yep, i think the backlash came from three games' worth of enjoying the characters and world and the ending basically throws it all away.
sure, i don't mind if Shepard sacrificed him/herself but the ending also threw out your effort to save the world with the Galactic Readiness and Military Strength. they turn out to not matter at all at the end. that's my personal beef with it even tho i didn't hate the ending.
heliosRAzi
Banned
I think the problem is that they didn't focus test it. Hudson and Walters wanted the ending to be this way. We have seen notes on the ending where Walters wrote LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
Photolysis
Banned
Uh no.
Step 1: Customer returns product to retailer.
Step 2: Retailer gets large amount of returns, goes to publisher and tells them to fix their shit or they'll stop stocking their products.
Step 3: Publisher implements changes to avoid pissing off their retailers, thereby benefiting the customer.
It's actually a pretty good way of getting the point across because returns can be measured, and because publishers buying large amounts of stock have much more power than individual customers (who might well put up with anything you do regardless, despite their claims).
VeryGooster
Banned
You can now return your copies to Origin. :lol
wtf
http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/10302791
Any free landfill space in New Mexico?
Edit: whut
wtf
http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/10302791
Any free landfill space in New Mexico?
Edit: whut
heliosRAzi
Banned
I love Suicide Mission. It has that heroic feel to it, like I'm doing something amazing and all of you should behold my greatness.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Suicide Mission is the clear standout for ME2. What a hopeful, yet kickass theme song. It's the song that plays in your mind when you're going into a situation you KNOW you're going to win, because the galaxy fucking will it.
ConfusingJazz
Member
Can he actually kill you?
I sort of agree on your other points but this is just wishful thinking. Time and time again, BioWare has made it clear that they are responsible for all the poor decisions in their games. This sounds far too much like an apologist's excuse. The ending is actually quite in line with BioWare's M.O. See the ending for ME2 and DA2 as examples.
Marauder Shields is the best that came out of ME3. He even has his own Twitter page.
BTW, I read that the ending is pretty good when you took LSD before playing - dem rainbow colors.
BTW, I read that the ending is pretty good when you took LSD before playing - dem rainbow colors.
seems like a YMMV, but that's pretty good.
KingItachi
Member
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
Agreed. I can't believe they spent two years on it. The game was buggy, the cover mechanic was wonky, most of the battles were unmemorable copy-and-paste jobs, the space exploration/mining was garbage as usual, the war asset concept was worthless, the equipment sub-menu was poorly-implemented yet again, sidequest were not tracked well, the story "arc" is a retelling of the same "gather a team" conceit for the third time, there is a massive disconnect between the urgency the game says you are experiencing and the reality of the "hunt-around-the-environment-for-a-marginal-weapon-upgrade" design of combat and the fact that the most important combatant in the galaxy is routinely being sent on trivial fetch quests, the dramatic beats are completely unbelievable most of the time given the extermination that is occurring and acknowledged by all parties, the final battle sequences fail to communicate the scope of the conflict, etc.
The first 98% of the game was lazy as hell, and the last 2% was insulting. ME3 is fine on a moment-to-moment basis, but it's a mess if you take a step back and look at it with the slightest critical perspective.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
Hoping Future Shop starts allowing returns...
Zomba13
Member
Oh wow. wtf. One of the customer service agents tried to take that guys account.
heliosRAzi
Banned
One day, a psychology major is going to use the old thread for research on the stages of grief
I have a very specific set of skills. I will find you. And I will kill you.
Sir Garbageman
Member
Ending was painfully bad but the outrage, memes, gifs, comics, etc that has spawned made it so worth it.
Good job internet.
Good job internet.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I avoided this one until now because (and who isn't) I am tired of this particular meme. It's spot on though. Spot. On.
"Don't worry, we'll make our own ending."
Nah, i will keep my copy too. Multiplayer is good. 95% of the campaign is good. I still have a lot of fun with the game, so im not stupid enough to just throw this fun away because of a shitty ending.
If amazon is honestly taking opened copies for full returns someone should start a separate thread because that is bananas. They didn't even do that with Batman:ac for people who never got a working cat woman code.
Personally not doing it because my playthrough with my bloodthirsty fem shep I will just stop pre Cerberus base.
Personally not doing it because my playthrough with my bloodthirsty fem shep I will just stop pre Cerberus base.
yep, the new ending is coming anyways, hohoho
Yeah, the meme is pretty old, but it works so good.
KingItachi
Member
Grief and Coping Mechanisms in a Post-Network Society by Dr. Ray Muzyka and Dr. Greg Zeschuk.
making a joke, but they are "considering it" from recent reports.
I don't see how you could think this. If anything this ending shows a complete lack of focus testing. Focus groups hate endings like this. If it was focus tested we probably would have gotten a 'Shepard saves the day and lives happily ever after' ending, because that's what the mass market loves. It also kills any opportunity for ME4, which is not in EA's long term interest. People need to accept that this was Bioware's fault and their's alone.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
In fact, forget the ending!
Diablo III CE money here I come.
I didn't like the Hitler video(s) but one of them has Hitler playing paragon. Obvious joke to make, but it made me laugh more than it should.
Disheveled_Zen
Member
If this keeps up I'm going to go ahead and guess that EA is just going to force Bioware to get out new endings even if the Writing Extraordinaire peoples don't want to.
Every attempt Bioware has made to get this to go away, deflecting with questions, posting threads on a Friday night has all been quite useless with how angry people are.
Every attempt Bioware has made to get this to go away, deflecting with questions, posting threads on a Friday night has all been quite useless with how angry people are.
Okay, so I wrote a wall post on the Mass Effect Facebook Page just outlining grievances and asking for a new ending; standard stuff.
The cool thing is I actually got a response:
EDIT: Browsing through the wall posts it seems that the page is actually commenting back to a lot of people. Not as awesome as I first thought
The cool thing is I actually got a response:
EDIT: Browsing through the wall posts it seems that the page is actually commenting back to a lot of people. Not as awesome as I first thought