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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread |OT2| Taste the Rainbow
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If it caused an Arrival type explosion then yes the Reapers would have been better. Why? Because everybody is dead. Hard to have evolution take place from a ball of rock.
I guess Colin didn't take too kindly to that Forbes article:
Real journalists to Colin Moriarty:
Go home and get your fuckin' shinebox.
i agree...
it makes perfect sense...
do you imagine seeing a mass effect mmo?
it will be inline with bioware stating we will have more from m.e. universe....
The ending implies they don't.
Not necessarily. It depends on whether the Normandy was in the relays or not.
I guess Colin didn't take too kindly to that Forbes article:
The reason he cites Journalism 101 is because he's still in the course.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Why did it damage the Normandy?
LOL. You win, sir.
Space Magic...it's magical.
Because it needed to crash land, because they needed to show them on some unknown garden planet. Because it's backwards.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Clearly.
And like I said earlier, even if you don't believe that the relays don't go supernova, you still have a huge problem of a whole bunch of people being stranded in the Sol system or any system. It's a galactic dark age.
It's possible it could have damaged the electronic systems such as EDI knocking her offline however since they show damage to the propulsion system that theory is obviously out the window.
Essentially the only way to avoid it being an Arrival type explosion due to the scene with Normandy's engines being damaged means that the Normandy had to be in the Relays where there was a concentrated amount of the space magic.
It implies that the magical waves at the end aren't something like a large scale EMP since it causes physical damage that far away from the origin point.
No. It's because that in the ME2 DLC Arrival the explosion of a Mass Relay cause the destruction of a whole system. The thing is that they explode too in the ME3 ending but maybe the space magic will prevent destruction or something.
All organic life doesn't die. Just the advanced ones. Species like the Yahg would be left alone as they are seen as primitive and the Reapers would not go after them.
As a note, if you played the DLC, a relay exploding destroys all systems.
I guess space magic solves everything though..
SerArthurDayne
Member
Thanks for that. I'm not the only one, but this aspect of the ending upsets me more than a lot of people. These are my thoughts delivered in a much more developed, macabre way.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
So far, I haven't read anything about the ending that made as much sense as this.
Artistic integrity indeed.
Because it was exciting! To hell with logic!
Seriously, one could... *sigh* .. speculate that in the Destroy ending if EDI is integrated with the ship, it would damage it.
Of course, that doesn't help the other colors... ops... endings. And will also mean that the Normandy becomes part organic in the synthesis one.
So... best not to think about it.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Well, we do see the relays explode.
Here's my problem with the whole relay thing: We have been presented with what happens when a relay is destroyed. When the relays are destroyed again and they don't blow up an entire system, it should be explained why so it doesn't cause confusion.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I guess Colin didn't take too kindly to that Forbes article:
No. That's what corporate shills do, in order for them to be more efficient in the spreading of their message. Journalists report on what was said. They don't exist for you to able to "clarify" the stupid shit you said on record. I can see how he'd be confused on that point, considering where he works.
No. Because you destroying a mass relay killed over 300k Batarians and destroyed their whole system. It is it the sole reason as to why you are on Earth in the first place, and why you were relieved of your duties as a soldier.
However it doesn't just take the Normandy's systems offline and leave it dead in space. Instead you see the engines pretty much being ripped off the back of the ship.
Honestly the Normandy bit seems to built off the bad Destroy ending where Earth is destroyed and the space magic clearly has strong physical properties and wipes out all life on Earth. There it would make sense for Joker to run as well as for the Normandy to be hit as it is. The rest of the endings it really doesn't fit especially with Control/Synthesis.
Yeah but a sample size of 1 doesn't a good scientific conclusion make.
If the first guy who ever ate a peanut died of anaphylactic shock, people might conclude that peanut consumption is deadly, nevermind that they witnessed an outlier.
And if the reapers got their way it would have been a bigger galactic dark age. And that dark age would have happened again and again and again.
I think it's kind of a neat idea that there are now so many races stranded in the Sol system. Now they have to live and cope in close quarters, and develop things in unity. And, again, it doesn't really mean the end of their races on their home worlds, too, since there are more than enough of each race on the home worlds to propagate and continue onward. I'm kind of curious about the long term ramifications of a galaxy like that, where races are separated for long periods of time. In the future of that galaxy earth probably becomes a key central hub, and probably an especially powerful one considering it will start out with a huge chunk of the military forces in the galaxy.
SerArthurDayne
Member
1 of 20 is a pretty decent sample size, especially in consideration of the consequences. And that it is basically what scientists who studied the relays predicted would happen.
Nope. State of the Galaxy read the Something Awful post from a couple of days ago. Also, nobody knows how Mass Relays work. In all likelihood, barring Bioware hand waving, Galactic civilization will never again reach its current level.
Unity. LOL, yeah. Maybe if you mind raped them all into cyborgs. Otherwise the Krogan eat everybody.
Nope. State of the Galaxy read the Something Awful post from a couple of days ago. Also, nobody knows how Mass Relays work. In all likelihood, barring Bioware hand waving, Galactic civilization will never again reach its current level.
Unity. LOL, yeah. Maybe if you mind raped them all into cyborgs. Otherwise the Krogan eat everybody.
heliosRAzi
Banned
It's all we have to go on. Like I said, if it didn't go supernova, then it should be explained why it doesn't. Until then, it comes off as a contradiction and people will rely on precedence.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
You're assuming he didn't fail.
We've had 19 in 20 explode in a different manner. It's not the only thing we have to go on.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
"Street team" phase.
WrenchNinja
Member
Supernova moves the Mu relay.
Alpha relay blew up. Caused a super nova.
Citadel is a relay, it blew up. Didn't cause a supernova.
Charon relay blew up. Didn't cause a supernova.
Reapers in space blow up. Reapers on Earth fall down.Reapers just leave.
Everyone turns into cyborgs
Normandy was in the relay. Got damaged.
Shepard was on the Citadel. Wakes up on Earth, survived rentry in a destroyed citadel, injured, and helmetless.
Therefore, space magic.
Alpha relay blew up. Caused a super nova.
Citadel is a relay, it blew up. Didn't cause a supernova.
Charon relay blew up. Didn't cause a supernova.
Reapers in space blow up. Reapers on Earth fall down.Reapers just leave.
Everyone turns into cyborgs
Normandy was in the relay. Got damaged.
Shepard was on the Citadel. Wakes up on Earth, survived rentry in a destroyed citadel, injured, and helmetless.
Therefore, space magic.
SerArthurDayne
Member
Oh, you saw a scene where everybody was still alive after they blew up? I must have missed that.
And it is actually 2/20 if you count the EMS < 2000 ending. But Space magic.
heliosRAzi
Banned
We see that all of them explode, but we don't see the results of those explosions so you can't say for sure that the other 19 exploded harmlessly.
Yeah that works except the fact that it's explained why such a supernova like explosion happens.
But yeah, feel free to support such retarded inconsistencies. I'll go back to being a entitled brat who just isn't high level enough to understand the ending.
Again not necessarily. The explosions at the end apparently have a physical component to it, strong enough to have an impact on a starship lightyears away from its origin point.
If the Normandy is in FTL, everybody on Earth and Earth itself should be destroyed. Straight up. It doesn't matter what ending you choose. The amount of energy is enough to fuck it up so far away then Earth is boned.
You're right, I'm taking what the crucible said at face value.
I've not said anything of the sort. I'm not particularly happy with the ending either, I'm just not sold at all that space magic is a plot hole or inconsistent or that suggesting such is entitlement.
I guess Colin didn't take too kindly to that Forbes article:
The "Dont tread on me crap" makes it even more absurd.
I wrapped up the game last night. I am also firmly planted in the Indoctrinated camp.
Mass Effect has been consistent with all of it's lore and characters. That's one reason that I have enjoyed the series so much. Even Mass Effect 3 kept everything consistent. Everything was logical and progressive and then it just stopped making sense.
They built over 100 hours of great science fiction. Then lost their minds for the last 10 minutes? That makes no sense. Not when every single part of those last 10 minutes was constantly telling you that it was not reality.
I honestly don't think the ending was subtle, it was meant to be obvious. You as the player are supposed to realize that it's Indoctrination the second time you view it. Catching all the robot screams, the black tendrils, lack of options, the way the wound you gave Anderson transfers to you, the way the boy AI tries to push you to attempt to control the Reapers.
It's a game of connect the dots.
The problem is that it's still a shitty ending. That makes a nice lead in to the real ending, but leaving it there is complete crap.
When Sam and Frodo dropped that ring off at Sauron's place, the story didn't end there. It wrapped some things up. Explained a little more about what happened to the winners and the losers.
If it's a setup for DLC, I'm pissed.
If it's a cliff hanger for a sequel then I'm interested, I just with I knew it wasn't the final story.
Mass Effect has been consistent with all of it's lore and characters. That's one reason that I have enjoyed the series so much. Even Mass Effect 3 kept everything consistent. Everything was logical and progressive and then it just stopped making sense.
They built over 100 hours of great science fiction. Then lost their minds for the last 10 minutes? That makes no sense. Not when every single part of those last 10 minutes was constantly telling you that it was not reality.
I honestly don't think the ending was subtle, it was meant to be obvious. You as the player are supposed to realize that it's Indoctrination the second time you view it. Catching all the robot screams, the black tendrils, lack of options, the way the wound you gave Anderson transfers to you, the way the boy AI tries to push you to attempt to control the Reapers.
It's a game of connect the dots.
The problem is that it's still a shitty ending. That makes a nice lead in to the real ending, but leaving it there is complete crap.
When Sam and Frodo dropped that ring off at Sauron's place, the story didn't end there. It wrapped some things up. Explained a little more about what happened to the winners and the losers.
If it's a setup for DLC, I'm pissed.
If it's a cliff hanger for a sequel then I'm interested, I just with I knew it wasn't the final story.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
That all happens in "Epic ending anything goes, so long as stuff blows up as it happens" mode, it's a reverse feedback loop of positronic energy that creates an anti-logic light matter bubble sphere.
I thought he was auditing the course. Only reason to explain why he doesn't care about his grades.
Especially when you consider that the catalyst to the destruction of the relay in Arrival and the one at the end are very different.
Hahaahahaa, notaxation? This guy is the best
If we are talking motivation for the nonsense of the Normandy scene... I'm going with this:
Basically, I believe Bioware wanted to set up the crash scene, and didn't care for it to make sense. They wanted the crew stranded. That makes more sense if the post-credit scene takes place on the same planet with their descendents (10 000 years later). The MMO scenario someone brought up would fit perfectly here, or maybe even a single-player game. You don't have to consider all the actions of the player, and can even make some simple nods for the original crew. Any inconsistencies can be chalk up to "it was so long ago".
heliosRAzi
Banned
Dude, the indoc theory is bunk. Those black tendrils were TIM's "control mojo" according to Walters. You also have the fact that the ending was rushed and wasn't finalized until a couple of months before the game was released. Shepard was holding his side before the confrontation and the catalysts says that the synthesis option is preferred.
If it is a cliff-hanger, it's bullshit since this is supposed to be the end of the trilogy. If the indoc theory is true, then the main plot goes completely unresolved.
EvilRedEye
Member
I'm sure someone explicitly says it's months at the end of ME3 so you're probably about right there.
That should make any 'Retake Omega' DLC fun. Continue the legend of Shepard by sentencing Aria to death!
I'm just imagining Shepard with a trollface while helping Aria.
SEGAvangelist
Member
My point for asking the question in the first place.
Also, why do War Assets change the effect of a relay explosion? It's so retarded.
On the whole crash landing of the Normandy, it is actually mentioned why the space magic could damage it in the Codex. It's not the space magic itself that does it, it's the Mass Relay suddenly ceasing to exist that does. The Normandy is traveling at Relay speed, then suddenly not. That there's even a Normandy left to crash land is thanks to Joker as that kind of deceleration is mentioned in the Codex as catastrophic.
But yeah, it still doesn't answer why Joker turned tail and ran.
But yeah, it still doesn't answer why Joker turned tail and ran.
However travel through the relays is instantaneous. There would be no chase scene as Joker would just pop out at one end.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Right. Joker/Normandy scene is the biggest offender in the entire ending I think. It makes any explanation for the relays... garbage. If they retcon this, they need to remove it or redo it.