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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread |OT2| Taste the Rainbow
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I don't mean to derail this thread. BUt that is really lame. If David Chase want to end the story with the death of Tony Soprano, then he should go ahead and show it. This is classic case of "pussy out".
I don't need some long ass analyse to show me why the episode was edited in Tony's POV. So what, this show is not about Tony Sopranos's POV. There is no reason the show should end with Tony Sopranos's POV. There is no thematic reason not show the protagonist's death. Just go ahead and show it in slow motion.
We want to see the bullet exit and barrel and drill into Tony Sopranos's forehead. This article just remind me how lame that ending was. Fucking terrible. I spent a couple days on a thread shit on it too. Obviously not as long as I spent on Mass Effect's ending.
It's been years buy your link just reminded me how much I hated that ending and I got worked up again. Fucking lame.
As you're doing your last convos with all your squadmates before dashing off to the beam, you talk to Garrus. Garrus says that when it's all over he wants to retire somewhere tropical. The planet they crash land on is tropical. Maybe I'm reaching, but it seems to be another seed in Shep's mind that plays out during (in my opinion) his indoctrination induced hallucination. Thus explaining why Shep's best pals magically end up on a jungle planet.
Wanna know why? Cause Bioware sucks at writing. This is the simplest, most obvious answer. They make up shit as they go along.
In fact this is the answer to everything that seems like or is a contraction. There, I saved everyone from lots of speculation.
It really hasnt but it never went this far off the deep end.
EvilRedEye
Member
Here's how I would have done the Normandy ending:
The Crucible fires its space magic beam at the Charon relay. The beam begins to travel towards the relay at the speed of light. During the Citadel/Crucible sequence, or just after the beam is fired, your squad goes back up to the Normandy. The ins and outs of it may be slightly bullshitty but let's just hope people go for it. There's now a big space magic beam heading for the nearest mass relay, and Joker intuits that something is wrong - or maybe the sensors pick something up. Anyhoo, your crew is operating under assumption that soon the mass relays will be fucked - in a few hours (the time it takes light to reach the Charon relay) the whole system is going down. Joker and the human members of the crew rather nobly decide to help your non-human squad members race home before the relays shut, taking the risk of being stuck in some random part of the galaxy if they don't get back to Earth in time. I suppose if you're going down this route, the fleet might decide to hightail it out of there too. Anyhoo, you take everyone back home and maybe have a little goodbye scene for each character as they're flung out in escape pods or whatever. All the aliens are home and now it's time for the humans to get back. But, oh no! They're too late and get stuck on a jungle planet. Ending continues pretty much as before, but with only human characters.
Anyhoo, I'm sure there are loads of holes to pick in that but I think it would have been a better general framework to work from.
The Crucible fires its space magic beam at the Charon relay. The beam begins to travel towards the relay at the speed of light. During the Citadel/Crucible sequence, or just after the beam is fired, your squad goes back up to the Normandy. The ins and outs of it may be slightly bullshitty but let's just hope people go for it. There's now a big space magic beam heading for the nearest mass relay, and Joker intuits that something is wrong - or maybe the sensors pick something up. Anyhoo, your crew is operating under assumption that soon the mass relays will be fucked - in a few hours (the time it takes light to reach the Charon relay) the whole system is going down. Joker and the human members of the crew rather nobly decide to help your non-human squad members race home before the relays shut, taking the risk of being stuck in some random part of the galaxy if they don't get back to Earth in time. I suppose if you're going down this route, the fleet might decide to hightail it out of there too. Anyhoo, you take everyone back home and maybe have a little goodbye scene for each character as they're flung out in escape pods or whatever. All the aliens are home and now it's time for the humans to get back. But, oh no! They're too late and get stuck on a jungle planet. Ending continues pretty much as before, but with only human characters.
Anyhoo, I'm sure there are loads of holes to pick in that but I think it would have been a better general framework to work from.
I want dem useless war assets.
Empty Space
Member
Oh man that's a real downer. If you send his brother with him do you unlock a weapon cache in that level instead?
heliosRAzi
Banned
This has been a great exercise about Occam's Razor. Every inconsistency, every plot hole can be attributed to the incompetence of Bioware.
Why would a ship crewed almost entirely by humans race to drop off three alien members of its crew with homeworlds to go back to (Garrus, Tali, Liara unless I'm forgetting anyone), stranding everyone else in the process?
Finally finished it.
At first I was kinda okay with the ending. I mean it's space opera, you're supposed to take it to a whole new level at the end and reveal that there was some kind of grand design behind it all. And it's some kind of ghostly god-child thing telling you all this? I can dig it!
So yeah, three choices? OK, they all seem kinda crappy. Let's go for the green one, I bet it'll basically kill everyone and the final shot will be of a hybrid flower or something blooming in the middle of the rubble. Oh, it's actually a ball of green magic that instantly turns absolutely everyone into organic/synthetic hybrids. What? Really?
When the credits started rolling, I was still thinking that it wasn't THAT bad, but the more I think about it, the more I'm starting to agree that it was actually pretty bad. And reading some of the gripes people have with it, yeah, some of them are really good points. I still think much of the rage comes off as entitled whining, but I can certainly see why players are upset.
Oh well, the series was still a great ride even if the final stretch was a letdown. I guess I can go back to Skyrim now.
At first I was kinda okay with the ending. I mean it's space opera, you're supposed to take it to a whole new level at the end and reveal that there was some kind of grand design behind it all. And it's some kind of ghostly god-child thing telling you all this? I can dig it!
So yeah, three choices? OK, they all seem kinda crappy. Let's go for the green one, I bet it'll basically kill everyone and the final shot will be of a hybrid flower or something blooming in the middle of the rubble. Oh, it's actually a ball of green magic that instantly turns absolutely everyone into organic/synthetic hybrids. What? Really?
When the credits started rolling, I was still thinking that it wasn't THAT bad, but the more I think about it, the more I'm starting to agree that it was actually pretty bad. And reading some of the gripes people have with it, yeah, some of them are really good points. I still think much of the rage comes off as entitled whining, but I can certainly see why players are upset.
Oh well, the series was still a great ride even if the final stretch was a letdown. I guess I can go back to Skyrim now.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Welcome. Why do you think the rage comes off as entitled?
VeryGooster
Banned
I guess Colin didn't take too kindly to that Forbes article:
That is not me, for the record. lol
LightofRohan
Member
Man, this game is pretty packed and amazing (before the ending). So many subtle differences throughout the whole thing. I never realized Miranda/Grunt could die. It's insane how much shit Bioware took into account in this game, definitely the greatest accomplishment in gaming history. It makes the ending seem even more out of place though... You can have like 4-5 different outcomes w/ the Salarian Ambassador scene, yet every end scene is the same.
Question: In the "Destroy" ending, if Shepard uses the Crucible to destroy the Reapers with the side effect of destroying all synthetic life, how then is he still alive at the end? The Catalyst Kid clearly says that Shepard himself was rebuilt in large part with synthetic tech, no? The other endings show him burn away into a Husk form, complete with eyes and everything. (I'm not going to get into how he ended up on Earth).
WrenchNinja
Member
Catalyst was full of shit.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Speculation.
Blue Ninja
Member
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
"Dear Commander Shepard,
It is with great regret that I learned of your decision to cure the genophage on Tuchanka. Yada yada yada. It also saddened me to hear that one of our own scientists sacrificed himself following your orders. Yada yada yada.
I hope you are prepared to deal with the aftermath, Commander. This is a dark day for the salarian Union, and all of the galaxy.
- Dalatrass Linron"
RESPONSE SENT:
"Well, fuck you, you stuck-up bitch."
"Dear Commander Shepard,
It is with great regret that I learned of your decision to cure the genophage on Tuchanka. Yada yada yada. It also saddened me to hear that one of our own scientists sacrificed himself following your orders. Yada yada yada.
I hope you are prepared to deal with the aftermath, Commander. This is a dark day for the salarian Union, and all of the galaxy.
- Dalatrass Linron"
RESPONSE SENT:
"Well, fuck you, you stuck-up bitch."
LightofRohan
Member
The Reaper indoctrination theory is the answer. And I can't believe people are still against it, it's so obvious. And the entire ending was more of a test, to see if you can be controlled like TIM. If you choose Blue/Green you are giving into the reapers, being controlled. If you however choose Red, you are actively dismissing their claims and breaking the indoctrination, waking up back on earth -- right along side that reaper that was right next to you.
It usually takes 1 to 2 days for the awfulness to sink in.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Fixed
I was going to reply to this a few pages back, but I had to leave.
I agree with everything you stated. The ME1 import bug is ridiculous, and it will be a while before the patch gets reviewed and accepted.
I think that they decided to merge Cerberus with the Reapers in order to make fights easier. They used Cerberus husks instead of real husks, and we just focused on them.
They made scanning less tedious than before, but I still would have liked to explore worlds and land on planets. Even ME2 had linear maps in random planets.
Along with that, it would have made fetch quests a bit more interesting than sending a probe.
I won't criticize the lack of RPG elements simply because those were severely cut in the previous title. BW tried to bring some aspects back, but it's clear that such elements are not BW's focus, especially considering the story and action modes available. I knew we weren't going to get back to RPG basics, so I wasn't expecting anything to improve on that end.
We face a few Reapers, but Harbinger's absence is the most obvious. They completely stranded most of the Reaper subplots in ME2 since they decided not to go with their dark energy plot, I assume.
I completely agree with the fact that Vega was far from fleshed out. He was nothing more than a caricature of the bro, although he wasn't even much of one. He was a decent person, I suppose, but we never got to know him.
I also think that Javik should have been a full character without DLC. I think the first-day DLC has created some negative press for BW, but I'm sure the ending has surpassed it.
They obviously wanted to focus on ME1's characters, because if they didn't die in ME2, its characters had a good chance of getting killed off in this game.
I would have loved to recruit them back to the Normandy, but they just became war assets. :\
As for the LI stuff, I don't know. It never mattered to me since I never had a true LI. And the point wasn't to sex them as much as to get the character better. But I guess most people just want to bang.
Tali's shop is poorly done and it shows. I don't know who thought of the idea.
I would have liked more party member options, and I always liked micro managing so the AI didn't bother me. However, there were times when I couldn't select anything from the menu. I don't know if that was a bug or not, but it happened often.
Aria was most definitely a shell of her former self. :/
I also felt that the Citadel was overused, and that there should have either been more to it, or another hub or two. Everyone mailed you to visit them on the Citadel. I wish there were other places to go. "Hey, meet me on the Citadel when you have the time!" . . . Yeah, where else am I going to go? The galaxy felt very empty.
I also didn't like the Earth mission, the monochromatic palette, the enemy waves, the wait to press a button, it was tedious and not very fun.
I think it was explained that there are different types of Reapers, and we probably only faced the smaller ones. There are some that are supposed to be two kilometers tall. Javik also explained that it took three centuries before the Reapers completely wiped the Protheans. Someone here mentioned that Liara estimated the current cycle to last only one. The Reapers aren't the force we imagined from ME.
However, with all its flaws, I wouldn't rate the game so low. Even with the awkward end, I'd still give it a solid 8 or 9. I know I'm disregarding a lot, but the good -- at least the parts that I enjoyed -- were very worth it and felt rewarding.
Blue Ninja
Member
Now you got me all depressed again.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Just think of it as Shepard being a massive jerk
HarryHengst
Member
Ahaha, that dudes twittername is 'notaxation'. :lol
That is not me, for the record. lol
heliosRAzi
Banned
New theory!
CapnBry said:Wait actually, doesn't ME3's ending copy the Zero Wing intro? (Is posting this a bannable offense?)
In A.D. 2185 War was ending...
Anderson: What happen?
Sheppard: Someone set up us the Crucible.
Illusive Man: How are you gentleman? All your race are belong to us. You are on the way to destruction.
Sheppard: What you say?
Illusive Man: You have no chance to survive, indoctrination time. Ha ha ha.
Anderson: Commander!
I mean the Illusive Man even looks like CATS
That is not me, for the record. lol
Ha, that's golden.
I'm neutral in regards to the end. But I start hating it when when people talk like this. Damn indoctrination. Damn it to hell. Don't you believe in the magic of Space Jesus? Don't you believe in his will to survive anything! He destroyed the Reapers and all you want is for his choice to become invalidated. Not cool. Space Magic(TM) is real! Why can't you just accept that.
Beautiful. I still can't believe Bioware doesn't see the super ultimate fuckiness of their stupid ass ending.
Zomba13
Member
Screw the indoctrination theory, I'm 100% behind Zero Wing Theory.
Game fans never really grasped the concept of in-game features as elements that may be removed at the developers' discretion.
The best and worst thing Microsoft ever did was stop Peter Molyneux from talking about his games because video game fans are stupid.
Deified Data
Banned
Wonder this as well. The whiny, entitled gamer can get annoying somethings, I agree. That said, there's a huge difference between gamer rage occuring over something like "Hey, there's no space dragons in this game!" and rage occuring over broken promises from the devs assuring us that the game would have 16 different endings and take all of our actions into acount. It didn't.
But it did, ME3 is a study in nuance. 16 different endings all slightly different than the last.
Anyone familiar with Bioware's past games knew going in that it was bullshit. The problem wasn't that it didn't have 16 endings or whatever, the problem was that the few endings we got were shit.
The game could have two endings with little differences ala ME2 and people would've been happy had it been a better product.
Zomba13
Member
Seems we are entitled because we believed that Bioware would include some of the elements that they promised in pre-release interviews. I mean, of course we are, we shouldn't expect developers to tell the truth about their product and expect what they say is going to be in it to actually be in it.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Ur stupid
heliosRAzi
Banned
has this been talked about?
http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/...-writer-allegedly-slams-controversial-ending/
http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/...-writer-allegedly-slams-controversial-ending/
Zomba13
Member
Beautiful.
WrenchNinja
Member
More proof that vanguards suck. No one cool dicks over a bro like Garrus.
Pixel Pete
Member
Finished it. didn't think it was terrible, didn't think it was great. Is my FemShep alive or dead? Why did only two people and Joker step out of the normandy, and what determined who those two people were?
Wow, Forbes is fucking delivering. It hilarious how anything concerning written discourse and video games is so terrible when compared against anything else more legitimate. It takes a writer for a non-gaming site to cut through the bullshit. Amazing.
Colin does not have to capacity to think logically. Not to hurl around personal attacks, but iirc, he is one of those tea-party, Rush-listening, staunchly anti-Obama guys. He has said some ABSURD things regarding politics and popular culture in the Beyond podcast.
Colin does not have to capacity to think logically. Not to hurl around personal attacks, but iirc, he is one of those tea-party, Rush-listening, staunchly anti-Obama guys. He has said some ABSURD things regarding politics and popular culture in the Beyond podcast.
That second to last box always makes me laugh the hardest
Because I don't think Bioware owes me anything. If they want tack on a crappy ending on their otherwise excellent trilogy, then I think they should have the right to do so. If they want to alienate their fans by not living up to their promises, then they should be allowed to do so and face the consequences.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people should just shut up and accept it. It's fine to criticize and offer feedback and tell them their ending sucked and that you expected more from them. But demanding that they change it and talking about lawsuits? That's crossing the line in my book.
That being said, I'm kinda impressed that all the rage has apparently had an actual effect on Bioware in that they're planning on changing the ending.
Assuming this wasn't their plan all along...
heliosRAzi
Banned
Did you see the other endings? If not, just change the tint on your TV.
Empty Space
Member
Maybe she's dead. And to answer your second question fuck if we know.
I played a Vanguard and I wish I could have done that (minus the last line)
I regret shooting that can, but my logic was that I don't think Garrus would have wanted me to hold back on him.