Is this last phrase what they thought the ending would spur from players, or a comment that there was "lots of speculation" amongst the writing team? Because if it's the former, things didn't really work out that way. Aside from the indoctrination theory, nobody's doing much speculating on the ending, except for for what the hell they were thinking when they made it.
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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread |OT2| Taste the Rainbow
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Is this last phrase what they thought the ending would spur from players, or a comment that there was "lots of speculation" amongst the writing team? Because if it's the former, things didn't really work out that way. Aside from the indoctrination theory, nobody's doing much speculating on the ending, except for for what the hell they were thinking when they made it.
I would pay to bang Glados. DAT voice.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
It's an actual quote from an actual notebook scribble.
If by writing team you mean Mac and Casey, yes.
There are some speculations as to what consequences each choice has, there's also some speculation regarding indoctrination. There's also some very real speculation about the aptitude carried by the writers at BioWare.
Yeah, I've seen it. Did it refer to what they thought the ending would spark? That's how I interpreted it. But the ending doesn't really invite much speculation at all. It was pretty cut-and-dried.
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If by writing team you mean Mac and Casey, yes.
There are some speculations as to what consequences each choice has, there's also some speculation regarding indoctrination. There's also some very real speculation about the aptitude carried by the writers at BioWare.
Ha! Thanks.
Doublesith
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http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/03/23/mass-effect-3-ending-what-do-game-writers-think/
Quotes from various game writers (including Chris Avellone) on Bioware changing the ME3 ending.
Quotes from various game writers (including Chris Avellone) on Bioware changing the ME3 ending.
That's pretty fascinating. Especially to see those people who don't really have a problem with it compared to those who are against it.
And most amazed that Avellone is almost enthusiastically for the idea. Or maybe I'm reading his response wrong.
Chris Avellone <3 <3
I like what Jesse Schell had to say. Executing point #1 can be tricky because of point #2, and vice versa.
1) If people really hate the original ending, maybe changing it will make people like the game more. If so, good idea—change it!
2) People want the world of Mass Effect to seem real and solid. When you change the world like that, it robs the world of its illusion of reality. Uh, oh, don’t change it!
3) This could be an awesome publicity stunt, designed to get people to talk about and pay more attention to the game. In that case, create controversy, act like the old ending will be “replaced” but then change the game so that depending on your actions in the game, you get two different possible endings!
Yeah, his response was great, too.
It's all over the place it seems.
ElectricBlue187
Member
I wonder if Mac Walters really read a Brave New World. I remember the ending really sucked but I don't remember any vent gods, and nothing else about the book resembles Mass Effect in any way
Most of all, the ending fit the overall theme of the book.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
They were brainless. They got these implants to make them stupid and easier for Cerberus to control. Plus their heads blow up if they get captured.
The stuff with the Soma just You have to understand. Huxley is really smart and really analytical. And the problem is that when hes not checked, he will assume that other people are like him, and will really appreciate an almost completely unemotional intellectual ending. I didnt hate it, but I didnt love it.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
The point is that fans are making him change his artistic vision. Making this a huge precedent by being the third or fourth time a game's ending has been changed because it was poorly done.
I think he means a "brave new world" as in something new and unexpected through each of the choices -- or maybe just synthesis.
I really enjoyed that book, but there's nothing similar to this game.
Ahaha.
What are the other examples?
The ending of BNW is excellent. Cmere, out the airlock with you.
Disheveled_Zen
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Can't tell if sarcasm but if not, how can it be a precedent if it wouldn't be the first time an ending has been changed?
Confidence Man
Member
It's not about the ending really, it's about fans holding them accountable for what they promised. Could be any feature.
R_thanatos
Member
i agree with Susan OConnor
Those shepards , everyone shepard , that was something for us..Each player has a different shepard and taht was reinforced in teh fact that our decisions were making the ending ( or at least it was strongly told by everyone ).
Now i have no problem following a story ( silly or not ), but here, the illusion is destroyed i don't even care that the events at teh ending are true or not ..i wanted some kind of grasp on my decisions There is no point in me importing my characters and making decision if i can't influence things , even a little.
Even if i can't ( because the writers said so ) , then at least i tried.
for example , arrival didn't left me any choice at the end BUT that was a bridge to set-up more events ..but here my actions are simply negated ..... i hate this...
Those shepards , everyone shepard , that was something for us..Each player has a different shepard and taht was reinforced in teh fact that our decisions were making the ending ( or at least it was strongly told by everyone ).
Now i have no problem following a story ( silly or not ), but here, the illusion is destroyed i don't even care that the events at teh ending are true or not ..i wanted some kind of grasp on my decisions There is no point in me importing my characters and making decision if i can't influence things , even a little.
Even if i can't ( because the writers said so ) , then at least i tried.
for example , arrival didn't left me any choice at the end BUT that was a bridge to set-up more events ..but here my actions are simply negated ..... i hate this...
Beelzeboss
Member
I don't see a problem with changing the ending of a game with multiple endings.
It's not like a film or a more linear story getting changed. They can just add on more options to the end and the artistic visions should remain intact.
It's not like a film or a more linear story getting changed. They can just add on more options to the end and the artistic visions should remain intact.
SpacePirate Ridley
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Hahahahahaha, fucking old javik. He is such a dick
I remember laughing at all the airlock jokes he did with legion, even the ones he send me though the iphone app.
BTW the iphone app was awesome, the squad sending you messages felt like if they were real.
EmCeeGramr
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:bow
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Portal, Fallout 3, and kinda Knights of the old Republic 2 (but unofficially)
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/mass-effect-3/1220833p1.html
Most people just pick words that sound nice and use it. They may not know what it means, but they hope the reader doesn't as well.
Can people please stop posting the LOTS OF SPECULATION picture? It really breaks my heart every time I see it.
Wait, really? I'd never heard of Portal's or KOTOR2's ending being changed.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Obsidian > Bethesda + BioWare.
Empty Space
Member
Fallout 3 is the one I know for sure. PoP(2008) ending changed, but I'm entirely sure on they why it could a dirty business strategy or people didn't like that point has never been made clear, but I'm inclined to go with the former.
The artistic integrity argument really bothers me when Bioware panders so damn often. I also don't think it was appropriate to include Paul Taylor who obviously changed his ending to troll. I'm also curious how much story that Frozen Synapse has, because I doubt its very much
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
I think this is a part of what's being missed by opponents of the changes. People who want ending changes don't give two shits about the current endings, but I'm pretty sure they don't care as long as other options are available for them to choose from, especially with all the variance in the ME universe so far based on 'player choice'.
I mean, yeah, artistic vision leading to a singularity to hit all of the right emotions, yadda yadda.....but why pull the rug of choice out from under the player with such force with the Catalyst?
WrenchNinja
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Fans aren't making him do shit.
Beelzeboss
Member
The PC version of Portal got a different ending from Valve to get ready for Portal 2.
I think there were radio signals you could get too that gave you a clue in an ARG.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
KOTOR2's ending apparently was cut by the developers but left on the disk, so a mod was made that unlocked the real ending.
Empty Space
Member
Portal's does not count its like two lines and doesn't actually change anything.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Artistic vision is artistic vision buddy!
Portal
KOTOR 2 had the original artistic vision cut out in the state it launched, and it was reinstated somewhat with the restoration patches. Playing it through with one of those mods it's my absolute favourite game ever, although I'm sure analysing its individual components and especially its ending it's worse than both the other KOTOR game and all the Mass Effects.
you have a deux ex human revolution avatar.
LightofRohan
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I don't know. I don't think the majority of the "change the ending" is based on Lore/story but more based on mechanic/functionality and lost promise. I'm fine with a developer keeping what ever story they want and we will all complain about it and hate on it (like we do with every poor ending). But the problem is lack of choice and finality, and as gamers we are letting them know our experience was ruined due to that.
I've not really heard gamers saying, "CHANGE THE STORY BACK TO DARK ENERGY!" It's more, "Expand on the story, explain it a little more and give us more choice". Which is not wanting ART to be changed, but just the way that art is acquired; which is what games are... constantly evolving/changing even when released, fueled by player reaction/'feedback'.
Comparing it to film is not appropriate, because film is lacking the aspect that gamers have the biggest problem with; interaction. Comparing an epic 100+ hour experience, with diverse choices/plot lines, that are constantly interweaving and changing one another to a film is NO way related. You'd have to compare it to something similar, but there isn't anything similar... this is essentially the first time such an experience has come to a close and we can't look to past entertainment as a basis on how it should be handled. You have to go with what is best for this experience as a whole and it seems Bioware is going to address that.
Haunted
Member
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
I don't want them to explain more. Explaining is what got us the horrible "We bring order to chaos by saving organics form themselves crap." They should have kept Reapers as unfathomably dickish monster ships that farm us. If they explain more, we'll get something worse than the god child thing.
took them long enough
When the master speaks the world should shut up and listen.
I do. You didn't have to dig up a 3 day old post to tell me that!
I do know what you meant though. I don't and didn't really care too much about HR's story, or the original Deus Ex's story. Deus Ex is all about gameplay perfection, and HR is a modernized version of it. Story comes next to last in that series.
Wasnt the real ending, just what they managed to finish. I dont think we will ever get to see the completed ending for kotOR 2
Thats why there is so much story in the Deus Ex series lol...
LightofRohan
Member
(Susan Oconnor said it well) I agree with this, exactly what the problem is;
This game (for me anyways) is the first multi game experience that is a somewhat player crafted experience. That's why comparing it to other linear experiences and stating, "It's like changing the ending of Lord of the Rings!" does not work.
This game (for me anyways) is the first multi game experience that is a somewhat player crafted experience. That's why comparing it to other linear experiences and stating, "It's like changing the ending of Lord of the Rings!" does not work.
CharmingCharlie
Member
They will come back up with new rules like "any mention of the ending equals an instant ban for your account and loss of all your games. How dare you criticize OUR ARTISTIC INTEGRITY".