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Mass Effect: Andromeda | Review Thread
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Fahzgoolin
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Same. I would have ignored some jank for great storytelling and writing. Unfortunately, it seems story and writing is one of the most egregious aspects.
sensui-tomo
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The game that made me become a CaG with every game except for mainline musou titles. Going to wait for a price reduction or price error before purchasing this.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Too late! An outlet already has that angle covered!
Thanks RPS for having my back "Ive a very strong feeling that people are going to buy this anyway, and many will milk from it what they can in order to feel rewarded."
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=232415679
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JeremyEtcetera
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If someone is trashing others' criticisms or suddenly throwing ME 1/2/3 under the bus then it's hard not to use this argument. For those who are genuinely positive on the game without needing to do this, that's a good thing.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
That new IP they have for this year better be amazing. Giving one of their main series' to their B team and having this happen is not a good look.
DA:I is one of my favorite games of this generation. It had one of the best casts and character writing around. Gameplay was solid and fun, and it was one of the most relaxing games I've ever had to just plop down and get in hours after a frustrating day at work.
Calling it a romance sim is fucking ridiculous and you know it. That barely accounts for any real time in the game.
geordiemp
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Here, my game of the generation so far:
Now what?
This shit IS subjective and unless you are a reviewer you don´t have to put a score on it.
Shinobi enjoys it - for HIS reasons.
Yup, cant listen to critics myself who gave TP a 95 and I got bored after 6 hours and stopped, and yet Destiny was also my game of this decade and yet got shat on by critics who would not know a good shooter if it bit them in the ass IMO.
The combat sounds good in most reviews, which is what I personally get out of ME myself as the dialogue is always bat shit crazy anyway and more for the character interaction than the crazy topic of discussion.
What does concern me is Eurogamer quoting single digit frame rate instances - if thats loading an area and uncommon then OK, but if not its game over.
texhnolyze
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ME Andromeda will be remembered for all the wrong reasons..
Chronospherics
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Other components of games can be criticised objectively too, like UI design for instance, which I've heard criticised in a few Andromeda reviews. The point is that it's not just technical issues that can undergo objective scrutiny. Even gameplay loops and player progression can be objectively unrewarding.
But I do agree, some people can look past these issues too and they'll affect their experiences with the game, much less. However that doesn't change the games quality if it's packed with issues that have potency to cause uses to disengage and lose interest.
Here, my game of the generation so far:
Now what?
This shit IS subjective and unless you are a reviewer you don´t have to put a score on it.
Shinobi enjoys it - for HIS reasons.
But those day-one critical aggregates don't reflect Destiny's quality, or its overall reception. With patches and various expansions Destiny became a much better game than the aggregate your citing reflects. Those that stuck with it saw the base content expanded upon with various events, loot, QoL enhancements and gameplay opportunities, and those that stuck with the expansions were able to enjoy content that was very well received.
In general I think that the traditional review model is a poor fit for persistently adapting online environments. So many of these games are released unfinished, broken or packed with various issues that just make them unenjoyable to play, and they get progressively better with time. Final Fantasy A Realm Reborn is another example of an MMO styled game that made a huge turn around in quality.
Ultimately I don't even know what you're arguing about because I didn't follow the previous conversation, but the example you chose to use here is really poor. because the metacritic doesn't reflect the quality of the experience that people can have now, or had with Destiny as it progressed. This wouldn't be an issue if ME:A were a similar game, with a similar set of concerns, but it's not. There's nothing to suggest that this game would see a persistent evolution akin to the likes of Destiny or other MMOs, and many of the issues that critics cite can't be rectified in this manner, either.
Tal Shiar Agent
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And people were expecting this year to be a repeat of 2010 with a showdown between Mass Effect and Red Dead for most GOTY awards.
I got a switch.Same here. Wouldn't be nearly as disappointing if I could find a Switch.
I wanted ME for Switch.
In the end it looks like the switch ended up getting the definitive edition of ME
Frostbite butt physics have come far?
I agree, just the Internet amplifying issues to the point of complete dismissal. From the 10 hours I played, yes it does have some minor issues but there is a real gem here.
Can only imagine it will a much better package with further updates and DLC. Witcher 3 continued used to improve post release. Why wouldn't Bioware do the same?
The Salt Life
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Hmmm, this may end up being the second thing reviewed in the past 10 days I don't agree with. I'm still getting
MosquitoSmasher
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Machinima likes it and basically says "buy it".
It's interesting how some sites actually say most is very good here and those same things are shitted on in other reviews.
It's interesting how some sites actually say most is very good here and those same things are shitted on in other reviews.
Those fans are stupid. Have some fucking self control.
Audioboxer
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Maybe Rockstar will do it, but I can sense a Red Dead Redemption 2 slip to 2018 tbh.
MAX PAYMENT
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Man, these reviews are disappointing. I love the mass effect series.
I'll probably cave and still get this one earlier than I shouod, but I still hope the givery us a trilogy remaster.
I'll probably cave and still get this one earlier than I shouod, but I still hope the givery us a trilogy remaster.
Hasphat'sAnts
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I don't think anyone reasonably expected this.
Primethius
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Stating something that is happening internally is not a problem. He stated something that is factual.
Wow, gamers got hyped. So what?
The villian in Mass Effect Andromeda feels a lot more determined and passionate than any of the main characters.
He feels like a convincing individual with motivations and beliefs.
If you ask me I would rather be on his side, even that means I am the bad guy.
At least it's a lot more interesting than these generic, tryhard, bland, soulless teenage movie stars.
Man, I don't get the animosity. Liam is better than Kaidan and Jacob, Cora is better than Ashley, PeeBee is better than Liara from the first game, Vetra is better than Garrus from the first game, Drack is on par with Wrex.
slosherbomb
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hows the exploration aspect of it though?
texhnolyze
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Yeah, there are reviewers that liked the story/writings while the others don't .
Complicated
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Well there was a point in time where I was beyond hyped for a new Mass Effect. One impulse buy Switch and Zelda later, and I'm just a little disappointed. Maybe the game will be worth going through at the end of the year on Scorpio. The combat and exploration looks to be fairly compelling at least. Just wish there was more of what I like about the series.
This quote from the IGN review is pretty great
I think there is definitely a point where devs can go a bit too overboard on fanservice and this is one of them. If it reaches the point where someone else watching the game is saying "this is weird and creepy" then you've probably made a wrong turn somewhere.
Part of what makes ME 1 the best Mass Effect for me is the more personal story it tells. I mean, it's still a dumb grand space opera, but it doesn't get so Chosen One as to be boorish. I don't know why Bioware has to make all of their main characters Jesus.
While I agree that the character writing in DA:I was good, I think the main plot was pretty bland, and the world they stuff you into ended up being not worth saving anyway. Their grand plots all fall flat. The best part of DA:I was the War Room style mission planning and execution, and the side content. Whoever wrote the side content for DA:I should be promoted.
semiconscious
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JeremyEtcetera
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It's been 4-5 years since GTA V though.
SkywardBeam
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Well, not quite there yet.
But only 22 reviews counted for Andromeda so far, let's see where it goes from here.
thekiddfran
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I do think the Mass effect name is what is keeping reviewers from destroying the game.
All you have to do is look at the "Eurojank" games that get thrashed by reviewers all the time.
In this case people are like "Story is shit, animations are shit, design is shit, game is boring: 8.5/10"
Crazy stuff
All you have to do is look at the "Eurojank" games that get thrashed by reviewers all the time.
In this case people are like "Story is shit, animations are shit, design is shit, game is boring: 8.5/10"
Crazy stuff
NathanDiego
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I am disappointed with the scores,I am still buying because I am waiting for this game for a long time,but I already expected to be lower than the trilogy but not so low
yeah, i've been thinking about 2 games i loved this gen: mafia 3 (68) & mad max (69)
II hear you. Happens all the damn time with some of the games I love the most. Reviews are good to get a general impression, but I never base my purchases on a number derived from an aggregate of opinions. If it looks like something I want to play, I go for it. But of course I still always like to see a game I am interested in review well.
thepenguin55
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I'm with you. Having played through the series again recently I would say that ME2 is the only one that is both really fun to play and exceptionally well written. ME3 plays great but has a massively flawed story while ME1 is super clunky to play but also that story is maybe not as good as many of us remember it. ME1 & ME3 are still good but ME2 is the only entry in the series that I'd consider to be exceptional.
I would say all three of these were true of the last two ME games and busy work and bugs were definitely a thing in ME1 as well. Yes, many of the major issues were eventually patched out of the trilogy on 360 but the PC and PS3 Trilogies are still super buggy. From the little bit I've played I think Andromeda has the roughest start to any ME game in both how fun it is to play and in terms of story, but once I got past the prologue what I played felt like Mass Effect (for better or worse). I would say this game's greatest sin is that it doesn't really strive to do anything that the previous 3 games didn't and outside of combat it also doesn't really seem to strive to improve on anything the previous 3 games did either. While the combat is a noticeable step up from the previous 3 games the new galaxy map is a dramatic step down and while the new conversation system should lead to more interesting (more human) conversations I feel like the binary nature of the Paragon/Renegade system actually led to more interesting conversations as well as instant gratification in many situations.
Now I mentioned earlier that the bugs in this game are in line with past entries but that is not me forgiving those issues. While I think there's a lot of hyperbole surrounding that stuff this game most definitely has a lot of visual problems. When you've had a 5 year dev cycle on the 4th entry of a beloved series you shouldn't still be having these issues (new team or not). How one BioWare team could do humans so well with Dragon Age Inquisition while another BioWare team does them so poorly for Andromeda is baffling. Having said all of that I'm still really enjoying the game.
Warts and all this is the definition of a good but not great game. While it's not unfair to expect more from this game and it's not unfair to be disappointed in this game it's also not a bad game. I think the combination of how beloved this series is with how strong the start of this year has been with multiple 9/10 10/10 games being released has caused this games flaws to seem all the more glaring. I think if Andromeda was released this time last year exactly as it is now people would be far less negative about it. In many ways the past 6 months of releases has raised the bar substantially.
Allnamestakenlol
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If this really is the case then I'll be just fine.
GlamFM
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brandonh83
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It won't have 3's ending so it will at least be my third favorite.
Audioboxer
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Rockstar don't care, it'll be out when it's out. If it needs more polish and time, 2018. Unlike EA who clearly thought ME:A should ship like this.
To which most of us go...
Or the average gamer at an EA meeting where they're saying yes, lets ship it
MGS5 might have shipped unfinished, but at least it was polished.
Honestly the concept at EA was sound. Pair many of those responsible for the fantastic multiplayer in ME3 with some creative people who had been there from the begining (Mac Walters) and let that new energy try and reinvent/reinvigorate the Mass Effect brand.
To me the biggest issue seems to be that the Mass Effect brand was not quite the cohesive entity that EA thought when they first commisioned this project. So what may have started as a simple rehash of ME1 in a new galaxy with ME3s combat system, turned into a complete reimagining and reinvention of one of last generations favourite IPs from the ground up. Thats a huge job and the team tasked with it werent quite able to execute it with the polish expected of a AAA game
He's an influencer on the biggest enthusiast gamers board and on his personal and very successful twitter. Integral to the promotion and hype creation on the game here for a long time. I know it, you know it, Bioware knows it.
I'm sure he's not a paid shill, but how close you have to be with a developer to draw a line between "a fan" and "a marketing tool"? Draw a line, everybody sticks to it, I'm fine with whatever.
Let's make the most of this trainwreck.
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