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Mass riots happening in Venezuela, 3 dead, dozens injured

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Sneds

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Cimeas said:
Almost every socialist government in history has fallen. As a system, collapse has always been inevitable. It is not that socialism is bad in theory- indeed in theory it works perfectly. But in practice, the implementation of socialism requires a government so big that its corruption is almost impossible to stop.

Venezuela should be one of the richest countries in the world. But instead it and it's people suffers needlessly under a government that does not have their best interests at heart. The poor, who were supposed to be helped, cannot even buy bread and toilet roll in their government run shops. They are murdered on the street in a country with one of the highest murder rates in the ENTIRE WORLD. I'm not saying it was much better before, but Chavez's brand of nationalism, anti-imperialism and Marxism led the country down a bad path. This was inevitable.

Nevertheless, due to the massive propaganda and coercion of the workforce (especially those who work for the government) and the opposition, who still suffer from their decade-old coup attempt, it is unlikely the government will fall this time. But just as the sun rises in the morning and the days get longer in Spring, it is inevitable.
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There's an economic theory known as the 'resource curse' which argues that countries which rely on one natural resource, such as oil, are doomed to have economic problems.
 
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clemenx

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mantidor said:
This whole thing makes my heart sink.

The worst is how little information is coming out, how bad is the media blackout? I heard of the colombian channel getting its signal taken down but nothing else. Colombian newspapers are also not reporting anything, I don't get it.
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The Colombian channel that was taken out of cable TV was the only one live reporting what was happening. There's literally nothing on national TV really, just normal programming. They're not even warning population that it may be dangerous to go out in some zones for fuck sakes. It's truly horrible.
All the info we get and provide is via twitter and uploaded videos to youtube.

Good article with info on last night. (Strong pictures, be warned)
http://www.thegailygrind.com/2014/0...ent-protesters-6-dead-including-beauty-queen/
 
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Mael

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XiaNaphryz said:
From earlier today:

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Holy shit that's a lot of rich people out there!
Seriously if only rich people are rioting against the government I say HOLY SHIT there's more rich people in Venezuela than in Orange County!
 
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Syntsui

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People should be really careful while reading whatever is being published by the media. There is a lot of manipulation going on to make the situation look worse than it really is.

Please take a look at this:

http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/17573949/Como-se-miente-sobre-Venezuela-en-las-redes.html

And lets not forget who is the one that is going to benefit the most with a regime's change:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ela-protests-us-support-regime-change-mistake

I fear the most that this is going to be Chile/Pinochet all over again....
 
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clemenx

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Lol. Military are already killing civilians so it's already like Pinochet in here. Get out of here with that crap.

And get out of here with the "Democratically elected" bullshit not to mention that the government controls the electoral system but once they start to oppress the people with the military, forbidding protests, torturing student prisoners and jailing political leaders, democracy has been thrown out of the window.

This is a government of thugs.
 
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mantidor

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Syntsui said:
People should be really careful while reading whatever is being published by the media. There is a lot of manipulation going on to make the situation look worse than it really is.

Please take a look at this:

http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/17573949/Como-se-miente-sobre-Venezuela-en-las-redes.html

And lets not forget who is the one that is going to benefit the most with a regime's change:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ela-protests-us-support-regime-change-mistake

I fear the most that this is going to be Chile/Pinochet all over again....
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Totally right it's not like we have people here who actually live in the country.

Oh right, but they speak english and like video games, they are probably capitalists pigs anyway.
 
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aimjay

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As an Argentinian I feel this close to home.

Read a horrible news article about detainees, and how were they tortured. Merciless beatings, goddamn rifles inserted up their rectum. Horrible shit.

How the hell are you a soldier and you do this shit, to people that live in the same conditions that you. Are you that brainwashed that you do this dirty work for this soulless people ?

People have been shot in the head, unarmed students. This Maduro is nothing short of an ignorant evil coward, few people I would desire the worst, and he is one of them.

Venezuela stay strong and overcome this shit, this people need to pay with suffering and their lives. People have been made examples of for having weed or some petty stuff, this ruling elite need to pay in the harshest manner possible to show that such corruption and cruelty will not be tolerated.
 
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Mael

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Syntsui said:
People should be really careful while reading whatever is being published by the media. There is a lot of manipulation going on to make the situation look worse than it really is.

Please take a look at this:

http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/17573949/Como-se-miente-sobre-Venezuela-en-las-redes.html

And lets not forget who is the one that is going to benefit the most with a regime's change:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ela-protests-us-support-regime-change-mistake

I fear the most that this is going to be Chile/Pinochet all over again....
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When is it considered legitimate to try and overthrow a democratically-elected government? In Washington, the answer has always been simple: when the US government says it is. Not surprisingly, that's not the way Latin American governments generally see it.
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When your article starts this way, one can argue that it's a little bit biased.
 
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Oriel

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Looks like the Venezuelan people are finally wakening up to the sheer damage and corruption wrought by Chavez, Maduro and the governing far left party that blames literally ALL ills and problems facing the country on the Great Satan the US.

How long will it be before Maduro calls these protesters "La Cia" agents?
 
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Oriel

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The Albatross said:
When NPR was covering this story on Tuesday they mentioned that some 70 people are murdered in Venezuela every day, which makes it one of the most dangerous countries in the world per capita. For some perspective, Iraq and Venezuela are roughly similar population wise (difference of a couple million), and there are more murders in Venezuela each day than Iraq.
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Yeah, and I shit you not one government minister blamed the murder rate on.... wait for it, the United States! Wait, what?!
 
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mt1200

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There are a shitload of conspiracy weblinks on fb that show some of the pictures as old or shopped, some people want to believe that the US government + ultra-right wing media and politicians are the ones behind all those riots.
 
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Mesousa

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Oriel said:
Looks like the Venezuelan people are finally wakening up to the sheer damage and corruption wrought by Chavez, Maduro and the governing far left party that blames literally ALL ills and problems facing the country on the Great Satan the US.

How long will it be before Maduro calls these protesters "La Cia" agents?
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Or the people protesting are young enough to have never remembered being second class citizens under Ivy League educated European elite.

Maduro sucks ass but I hope the people know what they are getting if they get rid of him.
 
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Syntsui

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mantidor said:
Totally right it's not like we have people here who actually live in the country.

Oh right, but they speak english and like video games, they are probably capitalists pigs anyway.
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How can I argue with this? Oh my god I conced defeat.

Guys please read a little bit about pre/post chavism Venezuela and USA position on the whole thing. Please try to understand the bigger picture before insulting anyone that tries analyse the problem beyond what is being passed by the mainstream media.
 
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clemenx

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Oriel said:
Looks like the Venezuelan people are finally wakening up to the sheer damage and corruption wrought by Chavez, Maduro and the governing far left party that blames literally ALL ills and problems facing the country on the Great Satan the US.

How long will it be before Maduro calls these protesters "La Cia" agents?
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He has since day 1

The internet has been cut off on the city where the protests have been the strongest since last night.
It's sickening to me there's people out there still acting as if this isn't a dictatorship.

Or the people protesting are young enough to have never remembered being second class citizens under Ivy League educated European elite.

Maduro sucks ass but I hope the people know what they are getting if they get rid of him.
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I don't get this argument.
Yes. This country has been turning into shit since the 80s. Doesn't excuse these piece of shit oppressors we have now.
 
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Oriel

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Syntsui said:
People should be really careful while reading whatever is being published by the media. There is a lot of manipulation going on to make the situation look worse than it really is.

Please take a look at this:

http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/17573949/Como-se-miente-sobre-Venezuela-en-las-redes.html

And lets not forget who is the one that is going to benefit the most with a regime's change:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ela-protests-us-support-regime-change-mistake

I fear the most that this is going to be Chile/Pinochet all over again....
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Doubt it. Much of the Ven Military has been thoroughly purged of anti Chazez/Maduro officers. The army is strongly PSUV, as is much of the civil service.
 
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Oriel

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clemenx said:
He has since day 1

The internet has been cut off on the city where the protests have been the strongest since last night.
It's sickening to me there's people out there still acting as if this isn't a dictatorship.
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Even elected governments can be dictatorships, as odd as that sounds.
 
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FerDS

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Syntsui said:
People should be really careful while reading whatever is being published by the media. There is a lot of manipulation going on to make the situation look worse than it really is.

Please take a look at this:

http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/17573949/Como-se-miente-sobre-Venezuela-en-las-redes.html

And lets not forget who is the one that is going to benefit the most with a regime's change:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ela-protests-us-support-regime-change-mistake

I fear the most that this is going to be Chile/Pinochet all over again....
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Yes, there has been a lot of misinformation thrown around, but there has also been real, verified information. Like what I and other users have reported.

In regards to some form of "sponsorship" from the United States in order to change the goverment, I really have nothing to say, what I can say is that Venezuela's economic problems, security problems, scarcity of products, and many others are not the United States fault
 
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skynidas

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Syntsui said:
How can I argue with this? Oh my god I conced defeat.

Guys please read a little bit about pre/post chavism Venezuela and USA position on the whole thing. Please try to understand the bigger picture before insulting anyone that tries analyse the problem beyond what is being passed by the mainstream media.
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You are trying to "analyze" the problem by posting a really shitty article and someone putting some pictures up in taringa. Misinformation always happen and people post stupid shit on social media. But you can't use that argument against the things that are really happening in Venezuela right now. Things are fucked up, people are getting killed and the goverment is abusing its power.

Also, where are you from and where do you live?
 
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FerDS

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skynidas said:
You are trying to "analyze" the problem by posting a really shitty article and someone putting some pictures up in taringa. Misinformation always happen and people post stupid shit on social media. But you can't use that argument against the things that are really happening in Venezuela right now. Things are fucked up, people are getting killed and the goverment is abusing its power.

Also, where are you from and where do you live?
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This, exactly
 
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mantidor

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Syntsui said:
How can I argue with this? Oh my god I conced defeat.

Guys please read a little bit about pre/post chavism Venezuela and USA position on the whole thing. Please try to understand the bigger picture before insulting anyone that tries analyse the problem beyond what is being passed by the mainstream media.
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I apologize because that was rude, but it makes my blood boil how easy people buy the propaganda from the other side. I know the situation of Venezuela very well, I'm colombian and have aquiantances there, one of my best friends has family over there, I've heard first witness accounts of things that happen there, the things that never get to the news. It makes me specially frustrated that the leftists movements of latinamerica use the discourse of equality to convince gullible people abroad and the international community in general, when they are no better and have never been better than their right wing counterparts.
 
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mantidor

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I didn't know they actually shut down internet access in San Cristóbal, city where apparently the movement begun, and that now it is militarized :/
 
pulga

pulga

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as a Honduran who went through similar shit thanks to another of Chavez's puppets, it's about time someone busted in Maduro's house at night and shipped him off to Colombia in his pijamas

the world will forgive you soon enough :3
 
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Nakho

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This thing about the US, by default, financing the protests everywhere in the world is such bullshit. It's like, how do you even prove that's not the case? It is impossible to prove nobody is taking money! It's just a freaking fallacy of non-falseability, for Christ's sake.

People, if you want me to believe the US is financing people, PROVE IT! The burden of proof is on you, only.

Also, the people doubting the posters who are from Venezuela about the situation there are just ridiculous. You guys should read about how pratically every leftist intellectual in the world closed their eyes to the Stalinist horror using your same reasoning of blaming the victim and attacking the messenger.
 
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clemenx

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Fuck. I wish I was on CIA's payroll.

Country is in a de facto curfew. It's incredible what a repressive police and a couple of government sponsored paramilitary groups will do.
 
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Miutsu

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JDSN said:
CNN threatened to be taken out of the air in Venezuela.

It will probably happen in the new few days since they already did with NTN24 a week ago. But hey, if some dude says its fake then its fake. Also, Maduro is blaming certain parts of Colombia's military and former piece of shit president Alvaro Uribe for infiltrating the protests.
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It's official, at least they have revoked the work permits for CNN reporters in Venezuela, so I'm expecting any time now for them to take CNN out of the air.

I know its one thing to have opinions but to know there is still people that support this regime after what has been happening here these days... Well it's really sickening.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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What are the best aggregate sources? English or Español sources welcomed I speak both. Twitter feeds, blogs or news sites.

And what was the immediate cause of these protests? I get the frustration and mismanagement of chavismo but what recently sparked it?
 
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alstein

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aimjay said:
As an Argentinian I feel this close to home.

Read a horrible news article about detainees, and how were they tortured. Merciless beatings, goddamn rifles inserted up their rectum. Horrible shit.

How the hell are you a soldier and you do this shit, to people that live in the same conditions that you. Are you that brainwashed that you do this dirty work for this soulless people ?

People have been shot in the head, unarmed students. This Maduro is nothing short of an ignorant evil coward, few people I would desire the worst, and he is one of them.

Venezuela stay strong and overcome this shit, this people need to pay with suffering and their lives. People have been made examples of for having weed or some petty stuff, this ruling elite need to pay in the harshest manner possible to show that such corruption and cruelty will not be tolerated.
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Seriously, how close are you guys to this? I get the impression for a couple of folks on Twitter that it's really bad over there and the population is ready to do the same thing.
 
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Fyrion

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What are the best aggregate sources? English or Español sources welcomed I speak both. Twitter feeds, blogs or news sites.
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CNNE (en español) is a good source, venezuelan people send videos and images to this channel. Ultimately, Maduro has shown hostility towards CNN journalist Patricia Janiot

NTN24

NTN24 (twitter)

Difundir.org (blog)

RCTV_CONTIGO (twitter)


http://dolartoday.com/ This website is constantly banned from Venezuela. (twitter)


And what was the immediate cause of these protests? I get the frustration and mismanagement of chavismo but what recently sparked it?
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I believe the "spark" was because a Tachira governor's bodyguard tried to rape an under-aged girl. For that reasons the justified outraged student's movement shot several rocks at the governor house. After that, at Youth's day, the protest started across the country for several reasons but in a nutshell:

-Impunity.
-Food and goods Shortages.
-State of law's (constitution) violation.

Since Youth's day, students and citizenship protest against Maduro and his de facto regime. And until now there were several casualties: deaths, tortured, injured, vandalism, authority abuse and harassment.

The FNB (National army) storms residence and flat buildings without any respect for private property or human rights, launch tear gas and shoots buckshot. During their assault they try to destroy smartphones and cameras and anything that will mean substancial evidence , when they capture students they don't doubt in gave them an inhuman beating or jail them in order to blackmail parents, they let paramilitary motorbikers to harass and shoot random people....

Yesterday my residential community was assaulted by Army forces, they broke the fences and security cameras, launched several tear gas bomb and gave a beating to any student outside they find..That was a nightmare
 
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