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[PJV3]

Littlejohn in the Mail has gone full retard.

I wonder what it's like to be a massive nasty cunt, i just can't understand people like Littlejohn.

 

[Tak3n]

I feel a little sorry for the Scots, and it actually shows the politicians claim that they listen, but in reality they only listen as long as the status quo remains...

it seems to me Labour are going to do everything they can to make them irrelevant in parliament, if they go for this Labour, Lib minority, it will be in all likelihood to remove any influence the SNP would have over them....

 

[seb_n]

Interesting ad campaign in Dorset with Sol Campbell

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/ne...orset_s_ethnic_minority_voters_to_ballot_box/

 

[Thornton Reed]

littlejohn is a right wing cunt bag

i'm feeling like there has been a momentum shift over the weekend and that a Tory LibDem coalition is looking like the most likely outcome now

 

[Thornton Reed]

I wonder what it's like to be a massive nasty cunt, i just can't understand people like Littlejohn.

people like him always seem to lean to the right as well!

Littlejohn, hopkins, Clarkson etc

 

[Lego Boss]

Just been chatting with someone I know about the election. Told me he was probably going to vote UKIP. (My partner is Polish) I replied that if UKIP has their way, she wouldn't be here - to which he replied...

"She'd be OK, she's Polish, its only the Europeans UKIP don't want coming over..."

His vote counts the same as mine. Democracy in action. SMH.

My wife is Polish too. I think it's interesting how politicians target immigrants and poor people (those who can't won't vote) as an easy target to foment the general consensus of 'they took our jobs' and 'scroungers'.

It doesn't make sense that someone who has lived and worked here for ten years has no say in the general (not local) running of the country.

 

[PJV3]

littlejohn is a right wing cunt bag

i'm feeling like there has been a momentum shift over the weekend and that a Tory LibDem coalition is looking like the most likely outcome now

The LibDem's would need a 2/3 vote of delegates, the party may be in no mood for coalition again.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

I'd be ok with Saville babysitting my kids, he is dead after all.

 

[Jezbollah]

That Littlejohn title is disgusting.

 

[Thornton Reed]

The LibDem's would need a 2/3 vote of delegates, the party may be in no mood for coalition again.

from what i'm reading, if Clegg was a dog his arse would be in the air and Dave would be having a sniff

 

[CyclopsRock]

So OK, it's the Dan Hodges klaxon, and he's not always right but what he says usually isn't unsubstantiated...

"Dan HodgesVerified account
‏@DPJHodges

Just seen tomorrow's final day campaign schedule. Either elaborate bluff, or Tories now convinced they've got this."

I wonder what he could be referencing...

Edit: that last line comes off as rhetorical - it's not. I'm genuinely wondering what they have planned.

 

[Tak3n]

Clegg going on about how the largest party has the right to govern

 

[PJV3]

Clegg going on about how the largest party has the right to govern

I like that Clegg is just making things up, it isn't how it works at all.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

So OK, it's the Dan Hodges klaxon, and he's not always right but what he says usually isn't unsubstantiated...

"Dan HodgesVerified account
‏@DPJHodges

Just seen tomorrow's final day campaign schedule. Either elaborate bluff, or Tories now convinced they've got this."

I wonder what he could be referencing...

Edit: that last line comes off as rhetorical - it's not. I'm genuinely wondering what they have planned.

They're going to claim they've won.

I was told this last week.

 

[Tak3n]

Menzes Campbell on radio 5 (not sure if he speaks for Lib Dems in a official capacity) just said they don't like red lines when negotiating (no shit) but they have their principals...

However if your principals have a chance of hurting the country they you have to put them aside for the good of the country!

 

[Hasney]

I like that Clegg is just making things up, it isn't how it works at all.

The way he's talking sounds like they're just going to give the largest party first refusal, like they have the right to talk to us first. He worded it fucking terribly though.

Looking at Thursday, I'll be in and out by 6am. Love that early morning with no fuss, although because my polling station is a mosque, I would like to see the reception any UKIP campaigner gets.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

I like that Clegg is just making things up, it isn't how it works at all.

What's the opposite of 'Cleggmania'? I think I've got that.

 

[Tak3n]

my gut is telling me the Tories are going to try to form a government with the lib dems, + DUP

which wont be enough I know but I think he will argue legitimacy, and will try to get a queens speech through... the fact parliament has been put back say this to me...

I might be wrong, one does wonder if he might try to get some Labour MP's to go against the whip to get a queens speech through

Cameron on legitimacy

Posted at 10:48


Asked to confirm whether, if the largest party cannot form a government, it is constitutionally legitimate for the second largest party to attempt to govern, David Cameron tells the journalist that “you’re in the prediction business” whereas he is in the business of saying to people “shape the future with your vote”. He says he wants to win 23 more seats to govern with a Tory majority.

 

[King_Moc]

Clegg going on about how the largest party has the right to govern

Is he still saying that he'd refuse to work with UKIP and the DUP? Not that his word actually means anything.

 

[Hasney]

What's the opposite of 'Cleggmania'? I think I've got that.

Cleggphobia

 

[tomtom94]

Is he still saying that he'd refuse to work with UKIP and the DUP? Not that his word actually means anything.

To the best of my knowledge Clegg has not yet ruled out a deal with the DUP in the same way as he has UKIP, but he has called them a lot of nasty names.

 

[Hasney]

Is he still saying that he'd refuse to work with UKIP and the DUP? Not that his word actually means anything.

Have they specifically said they wouldn't with DUP? I might have missed that one.

I mean I'd hope so since he wouldn't do one with the SNP & Labour.

 

[Tak3n]

Is he still saying that he'd refuse to work with UKIP and the DUP? Not that his word actually means anything.

he is not ruling anything out, he is giving the 'good of the country' mantra again

and confirmed by Menzes Campbell just now as what they call the 'National Interest'

Lib Dems about to sell their soul again

 

[ferrasvansen]

They're going to claim they've won.

I was told this last week.

We know how that went for Neil Kinnock, one thing the British people cannot stomach arrogance, Labour paid a heavy price in 1992 and if the Tories start that it will backfire On them too, considering they benefitted so much in 1992 from Labours triumphalism just before polling day then I would be shocked if this was the case given how obvious the polls are tied.

 

[Goodlife]

So OK, it's the Dan Hodges klaxon, and he's not always right but what he says usually isn't unsubstantiated...

"Dan HodgesVerified account
‏@DPJHodges

Just seen tomorrow's final day campaign schedule. Either elaborate bluff, or Tories now convinced they've got this."

I wonder what he could be referencing...

Edit: that last line comes off as rhetorical - it's not. I'm genuinely wondering what they have planned.

What could the Tories know that we don't?
I assume they see the same polling numbers as everyone else?

 

[Jezbollah]

The last thing the Tories should be doing is saying "It's ok guys, we got this" - otherwise some voters will YOLO themselves a UKIP vote in the booths.

Any party with any sense will keep up their message whatever it is up to the deadline.

 

[PJV3]

he is not ruling anything out, he is giving the 'good of the country' mantra again

and confirmed by Menzes Campbell just now as what they call the 'National Interest'

Lib Dems about to sell their soul again

Poor old Charles Kennedy, he wasn't very keen in 2010.
The LibDem's are going to get bugger all out of this Coalition, but Clegg has to save the country again.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

What could the Tories know that we don't?
I assume they see the same polling numbers as everyone else?

If the Tories were so confident they wouldn't be rolling out IDS to shame UKIP voters into returning to the fold.

This is all a big ploy to make it look as though Labour cannot form a government. It's a desperate last roll of the dice.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Cleggphobia

That'll do.

What could the Tories know that we don't?
I assume they see the same polling numbers as everyone else?

There was a question (admittedly to Ed Milliband but could equally have been asked of Dave) on that Question Time thingy last week where an audience member said, "Do you know how much respect you'd get if you respected the public's intelligence and actually talked about what you'll do when you don't get a majority?".

All this:

"What if you don't get a majority?"

"But I want a majority"

"Yeah, but you obviously won't get one"

"But I want a majority!"

is starting to tick me off.

 

[liquidtmd]

That'll do.



There was a question (admittedly to Ed Milliband but could equally have been asked of Dave) on that Question Time thingy last week where an audience member said, "Do you know how much respect you'd get if you respected the public's intelligence and actually talked about what you'll do when you don't get a majority?".

All this:

"What if you don't get a majority?"

"But I want a majority"

"Yeah, but you obviously won't get one"

"But I want a majority!"

is starting to tick me off.

Yep and it's only serving to tie them up in knots

Based purely on his QT appearance he deserves to be publicly flogged if he even whispers talks to the SNP or otherwise on Friday

 

[JonathanEx]

That'll do.



There was a question (admittedly to Ed Milliband but could equally have been asked of Dave) on that Question Time thingy last week where an audience member said, "Do you know how much respect you'd get if you respected the public's intelligence and actually talked about what you'll do when you don't get a majority?".

All this:

"What if you don't get a majority?"

"But I want a majority"

"Yeah, but you obviously won't get one"

"But I want a majority!"

is starting to tick me off.

There was a great bit in Dead Ringers this week making fun of that, ended up just sounded like a demanding child. Which is about right.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

There was a question (admittedly to Ed Milliband but could equally have been asked of Dave) on that Question Time thingy last week where an audience member said, "Do you know how much respect you'd get if you respected the public's intelligence and actually talked about what you'll do when you don't get a majority?".

All this:

"What if you don't get a majority?"

"But I want a majority"

"Yeah, but you obviously won't get one"

"But I want a majority!"

is starting to tick me off.

Yvette Cooper was doing that to an absolutely inane degree on the Andrew Marr show. They're all stuck in the two-party era.

 

[King_Moc]

There was a question (admittedly to Ed Milliband but could equally have been asked of Dave) on that Question Time thingy last week where an audience member said, "Do you know how much respect you'd get if you respected the public's intelligence and actually talked about what you'll do when you don't get a majority?".

All this:

"What if you don't get a majority?"

"But I want a majority"

"Yeah, but you obviously won't get one"

"But I want a majority!"

is starting to tick me off.

They're between a rock and a hard place. You have to look confident. Conceding that you won't win isn't a good look.

 

[PJV3]

I think Ed has been fairly clear, he's going to have a Labour minority government. The other parties can vote stuff down and spark another election if they want to risk it.

The calculation seems to be based on there being no stable outcome anyway.

 

[CharmingCharlie]

I wonder what it's like to be a massive nasty cunt, i just can't understand people like Littlejohn.

Now then, Now then it is obviously a really funny article no harm whatsoever. It is obviously so totally inoffensive that Craig Whittaker found it totally appropriate to tweet :-

So really if a Tory MP and Chair of the All Party parliamentary Committee for Looked After Children and Care Leavers has absolutely no problem with making light of a serial child sex offender why should we ?

It's absolutely scandalous that the papers in this country are allowed to post such utter shite.

 

[SKINNER!]

Littlejohn in the Mail has gone full retard.

Kinda wished it was Lil Jon.

 

[King_Moc]

I'm hearing Clegg suggested he'd support the party with the most votes, not necessarily the most seats? Did anyone hear his exact words?

 

[Tak3n]

I think Ed has been fairly clear, he's going to have a Labour minority government. The other parties can vote stuff down and spark another election if they want to risk it.

The calculation seems to be based on there being no stable outcome anyway.

he has, but that is now not so clear since the SNP said they would vote against any budget that contained austerity, Labour or not...

I think he has been stupid putting a gun to the SNP and saying 'I dare you' that is no way to act really, and he may end up with egg on his face

 

[QuicheFontaine]

There was a great bit in Dead Ringers this week making fun of that, ended up just sounded like a demanding child. Which is about right.

Damn, you got me. I was listening to that in the car on Saturday.

You're right, it was brilliant. I should've credited them

They're between a rock and a hard place. You have to look confident. Conceding that you won't win isn't a good look.

Yeah, they've got their reasons of course. But I still find it frustrating.

I've heard a few political commentators saying that this election could be "transformative". Well, let's hope eh?

 

[Tak3n]

I'm hearing Clegg suggested he'd support the party with the most votes, not necessarily the most seats? Did anyone hear his exact words?

Lib Dems would give biggest party time to form coalition, says Clegg

so could be ambiguous

 

[IdreamofHIME]

The Libdems need to spend some money on good WiFi for their bus. Every time I see one doing an interview from their bus the video quality is like a Sega CD FMV.

 

[RedShift]

At this point I think whoever gets in should just say 'fuck the fixed term parliament act, clearly there's no decisive result, we're going to govern for a year then hold another election'

Don't think it's very likely though.

 

[Tak3n]

I'm hearing Clegg suggested he'd support the party with the most votes, not necessarily the most seats? Did anyone hear his exact words?

found the exact quote, basically saying tories

The party that gets most votes and the most seats, in other words the party that gets the biggest mandate from the British people, even if it does not have a slam-dunk majority, it seems to me right to give that party the space and the time to try and set up a government.

First we should obey the democratic will of the British people, secondly we should guarantee stability above and beyond everything else, we need a stable, decent and united government

 

[Hasney]

The Libdems need to spend some money on good WiFi for their bus. Every time I see one doing an interview from their bus the video quality is like a Sega CD FMV.

The LibDems are only campaigning in areas without 4G as the people won't be able to look up how much shit their spouting as quickly.

found the exact quote, basically saying tories

Yeah exactly, makes sense. Give them first shot at least and if they can't agree, go to the other side.

 

[King_Moc]

found the exact quote, basically saying tories

Hmm...votes AND seats might not work out to the same winner though. Especially with Labour being in second across pretty much all of Scotland.

 

[PJV3]

he has, but that is now not so clear since the SNP said they would vote against any budget that contained austerity, Labour or not...

I think he has been stupid putting a gun to the SNP and saying 'I dare you' that is no way to act really, and he may end up with egg on his face

I wish we could be sensible about the SNP, the English media has made it clear that it's going to give the government hell. I think Ed has decided it's too toxic, full stop.

I don't agree, but it's been bad enough already.

 

[Molemitts]

Finding out more and more about my local MP, Bob Blackman. He's a right cunt. Solidified that I'm voting for Labour now, to kick him out of parliament and hopefully the Tories out of government too. It's pretty close between Labour and Conservatives in my constituency, but it look like Labour will win it.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Go on Clegg, do what you know's right. What does Blue and Yellow give you when you mix them together? I should know this, given what I do. Uhhh it's Green (in a reductive method, anyway). Never mind then.

 

[Tak3n]

this is a good read, basically what the tories and some of the labour front bench have said vs the reality of the situation

1. A legitimate government is led by the party which "wins" - ie wins the most MPs and votes


Conservatives and their cheerleaders in the Tory press are most likely to argue that the party that "wins" has the right to govern. That's because even if they don't win in the proper sense - ie gaining a majority of seats in Parliament - they do expect to get more MPs and more votes than Labour.

If that happens they will argue that the prime minister would have the right to stay in office in the eyes of most voters.

They may get some support in making this argument from Nick Clegg who has said that the Lib Dems will talk first (but not exclusively) to whoever has the most seats and votes. He may argue - as he did in 2010 - that the public would not tolerate a government made up of parties that came second and third.

Even Labour figures such as Ed Balls and Lord (Jack) McConnell have pointed out that the winning party "normally" forms a government. They did so to try to persuade Scottish voters that they were taking a risk by voting for the SNP not Labour.

But - and it's a mighty big but - the only constitutional test of legitimacy which is recognised by the House of Commons, Buckingham Palace and the civil service is…

2. A legitimate government is one supported by a majority of MPs (of whatever party)



You can't be prime minister unless you have the support of enough MPs to pass the laws you propose and to raise the money you need. The tests of this are whether the House of Commons votes for the Queen's Speech - the government's "to do" list of new laws for the year ahead - and for its Budget - without which the Treasury would run out of money.

So, if - and it is still an if - Labour come second but could govern with the support of, or at least without being opposed by other parties, they will argue that it is not just legitimate but right and proper for Ed Miliband to become prime minister.

There is a historical precedent - though not a particularly happy one for Ed. The first ever Labour government came to power in 1924 in just this way when Ramsay MacDonald became PM with the support of Herbert Asquith's Liberals. MacDonald is still seen as a class traitor in some Labour households where his picture hangs but faces the wall.

The SNP are leading those who make the case that it doesn't matter who comes first in large part to counter the Labour argument in Scotland that a vote for the SNP is a vote for David Cameron to stay in Downing Street.

 

[PJV3]

Don't the tories have some right winger from 1922 committee on the negotiating team.
I don't see how this is going to work out, Clegg has got to sell this deal to his party and the Tory backbenches are not in the mood to compromise.