GDP has gone up, unemployment has gone down, and the national debt (%ofGDP-PPP) is shrinking. Bollocks?
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GDP has gone up, unemployment has gone down, and the national debt (%ofGDP-PPP) is shrinking. Bollocks?
anonymous_abc
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I think the UK will suffer more then the EU if they left. I don't see a great recession in the cards because the UK leaves. If anything political integration would finally go forward again.
i agree 100% with this.
you'd think there was a massive recession when they took power, or something.
Radio 5 said a tory source said they were 'looking' at adding DUP support
The media is the papers and TV. That is where we get our news from, it then gets reposted on social media. You will not deny the tabloid media influence within the UK. You will not be taken seriously on any level if you try to deny the tabloid media influence within the UK.
But i'm asking you what you think about the Tories treatment of the more vulnerable. Especially the disabled.
Where's fulltime employment compared to this time ten years ago?
Since the recession that wasn't Labour's fault?
Marc
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Hahaha, this is absolute gold.
The Labour supporter who wants to end democracy, not even a champagne socialist, a champagne fascist.
So the majority of Labour supporters are well informed, you are somehow immune as a party to general populace ignorance? People voting for Labour because the likes of Brand, Alan Partridge, Watson and Gandalf said so... but in an informed way of course. People voting for Labour when asked literally shrug their shoulders and say they always have as a reason, that their parents did so they do.
This thread is going full retard.
Totally unsurprising, it was a disaster. Failed to gain key seats, failed to hold key seats, lost the whole of Scotland, worst Labour result since who knows when.
I don't agree, but even if we assume that the UK leaving doesn't directly impact the economy, there'd be no possible way to prevent Greece leaving the Euro if the United Kingdom of all places decided to go, and that would be the balloon going up.
100 respect points if he has a bacon sarnie straight after resigning.
I'm hoping that if Farage quits like he says he would if things don't go his way in his seat that the media circus will also die down around them, but I'm not holding my breath.
I'm hoping that if Farage quits like he says he would if things don't go his way in his seat that the media circus will also die down around them, but I'm not holding my breath.
Thanks for the answers!
Still feel like it's crazy that the difference is so huge. 50% of the votes, yet 50x more seats.
jimbobsmells
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100 more if he slobbers one over the microphone.
But we all know, this has given Cameron a Mandate to go to the EU and say do this, do that etc or we are off
And the big one, Labour not being in power. Don't forget that one.
It does if you're doing 'well' or better than the guy down the street.
I also wouldn't say the UK is 'far right'. It's just more concerned with being selfish and looking out for numero uno and fuck everyone else. If you're doing relatively 'OK' you'll continue to do so under a Tory government.
Now if If you use any benefits,the NHS or have a smidgen of care about your local community, high rents and people not as lucky as you then the next few years are going to be ghastly.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Sigh
Would be amazing. "See ya." *Bites into sandwhich and walks off*
PipefishUK
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It won't, I'll be OK, rich people will be OK - average people will be kept sweet. The disabled will be slowly screwed, the NHS will be given over to private companies - whether there are charges introduced or not it will cost a lot more and not work as well. The poor will get poorer and the rich richer. People kind of won't see it while it happens then when it's too late they'll completely deny it was at all their fault for voting them in and will believe the shit drip fed to them that the NHS was failing and unsustainable and stuff. Society will basically be unfair and fucked.
I believed in Ed, I think he was genuine. But also agree that he didn't work for it till it was too late.
I just hate this every man for himself attitude. How many Tories have shares / interests in private medical companies again? Oh yeah, pretty much all of the cabinet...
Not anymore it's not, I'm afraid. Social Media is increasingly driving the modern news agenda and is a far stronger influence for many.
As for the treatment of the disabled by the Tories, I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve. I'm either going to say i) I condemn it, so you'll condemn me for my opinion, based on whatever contrived, out-of-context, hyperbolic example you'll inevitably cite, or I'll say I ii) support it, so you'll condemn my sense of humanity.
I'm not going to entertain this ludicrous approach to discussion. Nobody's going to advocate for the criminalisation of the disabled, as you put it.
He'll never admit it but it's partly his fault voter turnout was so low.
CyclopsRock
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The problem with blaming the media for the (probable) Tory victory is that it halts the obvious need for the Labour party to work out what they are and change. As long as you can blame the bogeyman of the media - whether it's Murdoch or a BBC scared for its funding - then you can ignore the fact that Labour clearly didn't offer the electorate anything they wanted. It took the Tories 3 leaders after Blair's ascension to work out what the people needed from the Conservative party - are the Labour party and Ed Miliband so unquestionably excellent that they should have so obviously got it right the first time and the only explanation for their defeat is "Murdoch"?
Yep, he's been an utter cock.
Which one was that then? Because I remember the one where Brown botched his strategy, introduced a utterly DOA 10p tax rate, and flogged all of Britain's gold reserves for pennies.
...stumbling off the lectern.
HazySaiyan
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Just seen Theresa May's comments re: communications data. Good to see she's off to a flying start in fucking with our civil liberties.
A move back toward the centre is what the Labour guy on the Today programme was saying.
Maybe the Greens will manage to do something over the next few years. If they can absorb disenfranchised LDs then maybe Caroline Lucas can make a difference, assuming she takes back the leadership.
Here's to five more years of the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, people starving, having benefits cut, schools getting worse, the NHS becoming more and more privatised, Britain becoming even more cut off from the world, maybe even the end of our union, and despite what they say, the economy not getting any better! WHAT A WONDERFUL RESULT!
It's not 100% on 'the media', I completely agree that Labour failed to offer anything compelling too.
But the fact that the media are either controlled by Tories or, in the case of the BBC too scared to question them, certainly helps the Tories to turn their mistruths and distortions into 'facts'--'austerity fixed the economy' is a perfect example.
Oh, so that's how Gordon Brown caused a collapse in the subprime mortgage market in the USA.
Vivalaraza
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England is a "light blue" country. It's becoming increasingly clear.
They will have to move toward the right if they want to win the next election.
Yep, I was thinking of joining Labour but if they're just going to lurch right and become 'The Tories but not quite as nasty' then fuck it.
I wish it wasn't the case but I feel a lot closer to Russell Fucking Brand politically than either main party looks to be heading.
if anyone does not want the DUP anywhere near power you need to hope the Tories win some of the seats remaining from the Lib Dems, as if they scrape a majority it will be increasingly likely they ask them to help out...
as worth remembering there are roughly 60 very right wing Tory backbenchers.... Cameron is in a tough spot with a tight majority
as worth remembering there are roughly 60 very right wing Tory backbenchers.... Cameron is in a tough spot with a tight majority
I don't think they have to that much, no more than the original New Labour anyway. They just need a good leader people can get behind and to appear like they're attempting to win the election before the actual election year.
Mr. Luchador
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Nick Clegg is nodding his head right now, coupled with tears
Don't know if they can, seems to me that most disenfranchised Lib Dems voted Tory this time around
Oh, so you genuinely believe his actions had zero effect on Britain's economy then?
Official where? Not that I don't believe it, but no one is reporting this yet.
Thornton Reed
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breaking news Ed set to resign
source the guardian
source the guardian
Greece doesn't want to leave the Euro, even with their new government. It's not like the EU is forcing it to stay, if it wants to leave it can. The UK potentially leaving will have little impact on Greece's position (if it hasn't already been booted out by then), and will not mean the end of the EU. It will obviously not be good for either party, of course.
jimbobsmells
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Wow look at that spirit. Election hasn't even finished counting and she's off like the go-getter she is. Insipirational.
Sir_Crocodile
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yup, beeb reporting the same thing
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