thatdamnmook
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I'm absolutely devastated. Genuinely. Believed in Ed to take the country forwards.
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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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Being unofficial doesn't mean it's not true. They are simply waiting for the announcement.
How is that sociopathic? Come on.
respectfully disagree with...what? the general opinion of the economics profession?
for a single example, here's paul krugman, winner of a nobel prize;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...economics-prize-and-praises-Gordon-Brown.html
if you want further evidence, you could also look at the fact that most of the world's governments bailed out their own banks too after we did
anonymous_abc
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What? I always thought you were German. Not that being a British expat instead is a bad thing
Air Zombie Meat
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They aren't important to most of the country it seems. The shocking treatment of the disabled recently has been largely ignored.
There are people in this thread using the word 'official' when it clearly isn't (yet), that's what I'm referring to.
What is happening? Are you reading my posts in full or just pouncing on individual words?
I don't subscribe to the criticism the Conservative Party receives for its approach to a reformed NHS and I don't agree with certain peoples' cross-examination of it.
To say thatsimply because I have a different view to yourselfI must, therefore, hate disabled people, is frankly symbolic of the short-sighted vitriol I've come to expect from some people.
Yup.
It's disgusting. No one seems to put a stop to it for reasons I have yet to be able to fathom.
If Scotland goes then I can imagine cities like Birmingham/Manchester/Liverpool/Newcastle wanting greater autonomy in time because they're becoming steadily more divorced from the government too.
Implication of that post, that other posters have already commented on is that disabled people are irrelevant to him.
I am sure they're not, hence the fact that I am putting it down to a poorly written post than anything else.
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Juke Joint Jezebel
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UKIP is now the third most voted for party now in the country. That's unexpected!
The decline of the libs in terms of votes and seats over the last 5 years happening in one fell swoop is a fascinating thing to witness.
The decline of the libs in terms of votes and seats over the last 5 years happening in one fell swoop is a fascinating thing to witness.
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Psycho_Mantis
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Why would this matter? Europe has made it clear that Scotland would have to go through the full application process if it wanted to join. And many Eurozone members would be hostile to this because it would weaken their own national unity.
Do people not read the posts they quote or something? You're making the most incredible reaches here. Stop putting words in my mouth. You plainly know that isn't what I said. Nobody has that view.
I'm simply questioning why I'm expected to publicly justify my voting behaviour. Why is it relevant whether or not I care for disabled people? Leaving the subject of that aside (which I've stated, of course I care), I'm challenging this belief that has repeatedly reared its head in this thread, that somehow, voting behaviour needs to be justified before it can be respected.
move out of the shadow of new labour? Given what's happened overnight, they're almost certainly going to tac right because the centre ground of English politics now seems to be the centre-right. They'll be added the new back on as soon as they find some tape.
anonymous_abc
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Nope that's the last silver lining we can hope for.
Nope. Not even an ETA.
Dirtyshubb
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Actually you would be wrong, recent studies and polls have shown that the majority of people get their information on political news and what policies Government are implementing etc. from Newspapers and TV.
This is coming from someone in Government Comms who primarily works in digital engagement.
Social media is great for 35 and under but for all those above the main place they get their information is more traditional sources
I wouldn't be surprised if some video game censorship policy is drawn up at some point.
The markets are reacting to stable government, not essentially the party elected. They factored in instability after the last round of polls.
HSBC might stay now. they can go back to laundering money for terrorists and drug cartels without fear of repercussions.
Jezbollah
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Being counted now. Result due in the next hour.
honestly i think most people get to an election and they're like, 'well, i know that a lot of people are worse off, but i'm richer now, so i'll vote tory'
i don't mean this in a rude way. it's a lot to ask people to vote selflessly, and i'm not going to pretend that not voting tory is some noble and selfless act.
but this is also why people lie about voting tory, i think. they know that it's probably a bad thing to be voting for yourself when there are thousands of people in the country who are worse off, but they look at their own situation and think, 'well i'm doing okay...'
when you combine that with a complete lack of a compelling alternative from labour, it's not difficult to see why millions of people vote for the tories even with all of the data showing how bad they are for the most vulnerable people in the country.
CyclopsRock
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I'm not sure that's particularly reasonable. In 2010 all the major parties signed up to austerity as a solution and on 2015 they all basically did the same. If the Beeb have a representative from each party on, I'm not sure the unbiased approach is for their interviewers to go off in a Keynesian critique that literally none of the parties support - except the SNP (though that was largely just a rhetorical difference since their manifesto was similar to Labours) who did gangbusters. So maybe if this is the argument that should be put forward, Labour should have been doing it (and I'm sure you think they should), but that doesn't mean the BBC is somehow favouring the Tories when they themselves don't bring it up.
I think this BBC Bias thing has more or less been conjured up in the last 12 hours.
Well we had a chance to fix that, but the Lib Dems ballsed it up by offering AV which wasn't a compelling enough argument.
Now we stand no chance of fixing it.
Mr. Luchador
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they said last night it would simply be a response to stable government, nothing to do with the tories...
but this will quickly disappear once the uncertainty of a EU referendum comes into play
Energy companies will see a boost though with a tory win
anonymous_abc
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Honestly AV wouldn't have been a fix it would have been a change.
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Visualante2
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Markets reacting favourably to a lack of uncertainty.
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although Im not happy with the result a majority is a lot better than a sketchy minority government or a shaky coalition
My favourite thing about the whole BBC bias is when the conservatives used to lambast Paxman for being biased against them, and then once he retired from Newsnight it turned out he had been a conservative voter all his life.
AV isn't proportional. It actually produces more disproportional results in most situations.
PipefishUK
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Of course they will, they'll be booming I reckon that the economy will improve hugely - we won't see it though, it's just for Dave and his friends.
a lot of 'experts' believe just that, they got to the booth and though, no tax rises for 5 years, so voted on personal circumstances rather than country specific issues
NandyRewman
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Your post gave the impression that you didn't care about disabled people, which is why I asked. I don't care if you voted Tories, that's your prerogative, and it turns out a lot of people did the same as you.
To be fair, the two aren't mutually exclusive. There was a perception with Bercow for a while that he deliberately tried to position himself against the Conservatives to avoid accusations of bias in their favour (him being an ex-Conservative and the Speaker being impartial).
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Will the lib dems ever recover from this? Is such a thing even possible.
Dirtyshubb
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I cant as this is stuff that i have been told at work so its not material i have at hand but honestly that is the facts of the matter.
I actually do the social media analytics for a government body Comms team so for those results i know them better than anyone.
I'll never understand why they went for that with what was clearly a one-shot attempt at change.
Straight PR would not only have been better but also have been a much easier sell to the public.
Psycho_Mantis
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Definitely agree with you guys....the polls made it seem like a shaky coalition would happen so I'm glad there's a majority now.
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