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[Linkstrikesback]

Fuck me, the last 5 years were bad enough, now we won't even have the lib dems to at least attempt a little to keep the Conservatives in check.

Or, rather, they're going to fuck the worst off more. My heavily disabled (widowed) father has one working hand (and "working" here means he can move 2 fingers on it as a result of an accident that left the other one completely unusable) already can't make ends meet after all the changes they've made the last 5 years. It's only going to get goddamn worse isn't it?

(You can tell I'm not happy with the inevitable result now).

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Lol

xD She was really annoying in one of the debates

 

[kmag]

Strike ballot law

or have they dropped that disgusting idea?

Of course not.

 

[Atrophis]

Just found out my sister-in-law and her partner have decided to apply for German citizenship after this result. Don't blame them with an EU exit now looming.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I guess not.

Perhaps you should enlighten me?

 

[Rktk]

I wonder where our health service will be in five years.

 

[Moze]

Well there's a fuckton of it in here, apparently. I'm asking you why you think this is such a big conspiracy and can't accept that maybe it's just people voting for the policies they agree with.

People who become so invested in their own bias lose their ability to reflect on it. I've seen a lot of that today. I'm not a party member and I vote purely on the policies of my parliamentary candidate after I have considered them deeply.

Show me the left version of this:

There was 4 years of this^ among almost all of the tabloids. Do you really think 4 years of telling your millions of readers that Labour and Ed is full of shit is not going to influence them? You might be able to find a few Mirror headlines like that, but not many. To deny the propaganda is absolutely insane.

What about the Tories do you like? Do you like the fact they treat disabled people like criminals? Do you like poor disabled people being taxed for existing? Do you like that?

 

[Tak3n]

Things we can look forward to:

-Repeal of the Human Rights act

-A huge waste of money and share prices falling from the EU referendum

-Age gates on every website

-BBC funding cut again

-Disabled and most vulnerable getting their support cut further whilst companies dodge their tax bills that are an order of magnitude larger than the money saved from the cuts

I don't understand this negative reaction to a EU Referendum, why is it so bad that people get a say

 

[mrklaw]

I'd love a poll of how many of UK Gaf are either first time voters, or at least under 25. I'd guess a decent majority, which is now being reflected in the degree of salt and hyperbole.

Love how a potential conservative majority will apparantly result in satan literally rising from the depths of hell to collect all our souls. You do realise it would have been little different if Labour had got in?

 

[WadiumArcadium]

If the Sun died a horrible death, the World would be a better place.

 

[Lashley]

I don't understand this negative reaction to a EU Referendum, why is it so bad that people get a say

Because so many will vote to leave because they're uninformed and racist

 

[CCS]

I don't understand this negative reaction to a EU Referendum, why is it so bad that people get a say

Because no one seems to want to make the (very strong) pro-EU argument, and none of the parties will have the balls to.

 

[excowboy]

Have been lurking and following the thread, so seems appropriate to pop in and say how fucking depressed I am this morning. I don't have anything constructive to say, I'm just really angry...

 

[jimbobsmells]

Seems I don't. I believed we were a caring and fair country, not a country where we slam the poorest and demand they bear the burden for all of society's ills.

Sorry to say this Miles, but I've no idea where you got that from.

 

[Dabanton]

The whole lead up to the election they've gave the tories an easy ride. From that impartial question time which wasn't so impartial to the coverage last night. The media swaying more votes than the actual individuals running for seats.

The BBC higher ups have basically been stuffed full of tory cronies in an attempt to stave off the inevitable. So it should come as no surprise that coverage has been tame.

 

[Fernando Fernandez]

They should have a Krypton Factor style knock out for the Labour leadership. First round is the Bacon sandwich.

 

[iMax]

Perhaps you should enlighten me?

Did you listen to Cameron's pledges? Read the Conservative manifesto? Consider the reasoning behind their economic plan? It's a long-term, sustainable strategy.

 

[brokenbeans]

I'd love a poll of how many of UK Gaf are either first time voters, or at least under 25. I'd guess a decent majority, which is now being reflected in the degree of salt and hyperbole.

Love how a potential conservative majority will apparantly result in satan literally rising from the depths of hell to collect all our souls. You do realise it would have been little different if Labour had got in?

31 here.

 

[Number45]

I don't understand this. Immigrants = more people paying tax = more government money = more jobs in the public sector = more tax etc., right? I haven't got that completely wrong, have I?

No, you're right. I was just stating what I know a lot of people believe.

 

[Protome]

I don't understand this negative reaction to a EU Referendum, why is it so bad that people get a say

Because the odds of it being split and requiring each part of the Union to agree to leave are unlikely. Scotland being dragged out of the EU when membership being potentially difficult to get was one of the main reasons the Independence referendum failed would be awful.

 

[Hasney]

Lol

It's a Tory!

 

[Biggzy]

Because no one seems to want to make the (very strong) pro-EU argument, and none of the parties will have the balls to.

Pretty much this. Although someone now needs to start making the case for staying in the EU, because that referendum is coming.

 

[PJV3]

I don't understand this negative reaction to a EU Referendum, why is it so bad that people get a say

I suppose it's how they frame it, i'm for it in principle just to lance the boil so to speak.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

This woman explaining the graphs on the bbc, has she been doing this all night?
Goodness.

 

[tomtom94]

You do realise it would have been little different if Labour had got in?

Ah yes, "both parties are the same". You know, apart from their different stances on the bedroom tax, the 50p tax rate, the Universal Credit System, NHS spending, education spending, an EU referendum, the Human Rights Act, borrowing...

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I'd love a poll of how many of UK Gaf are either first time voters, or at least under 25. I'd guess a decent majority, which is now being reflected in the degree of salt and hyperbole.

Love how a potential conservative majority will apparantly result in satan literally rising from the depths of hell to collect all our souls. You do realise it would have been little different if Labour had got in?

It would have been different for the poorer people in the country.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Love how a potential conservative majority will apparantly result in satan literally rising from the depths of hell to collect all our souls. You do realise it would have been little different if Labour had got in?

Everything was workable for my disabled family member until we got a conservative government for over a decade. It went to shit almost immediately when a conservative coalition got in.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't take the stance that anything other than it getting even worse is going to happen. No-one is giving me a reason to think otherwise.

(Lordie, now that I think about it, even worse if that rumour raising tuition fees again was more than a rumour...)

I don't understand this negative reaction to a EU Referendum, why is it so bad that people get a say

Because people are incapable of makin g awell thought out decision and they won't understand the negatives of leaving the EU when they can just yell " DURN IMMIGRANTS TOOK MERH JERBS, WE SPEND TOO MUCH ON EUROPE", etc, etc.

 

[Tak3n]

Because no one seems to want to make the (very strong) pro-EU argument, and none of the parties will have the balls to.

but that is not a reason to deny it surely? Clegg did a TV debate on the pro EU, and lost if you believe reports...

Do you not think people don't want it as they know it will more than likely be a vote to leave

 

[anonymous_abc]

I'd love a poll of how many of UK Gaf are either first time voters, or at least under 25. I'd guess a decent majority, which is now being reflected in the degree of salt and hyperbole.

Love how a potential conservative majority will apparantly result in satan literally rising from the depths of hell to collect all our souls. You do realise it would have been little different if Labour had got in?

29 Expat in Germany, so not too influenced.

 

[BigDes]

I don't understand this negative reaction to a EU Referendum, why is it so bad that people get a say

It's not inherently. But I do not think the debate around it will be at all honest. It will be all about the French telling us how long our bananas have to be and evil muslim migrants coming to blow up our jobs.

If the debate in the press would focus on the real pros and cons of the EU then it would be fine, I just think they will want to boil down a complex issue into a few ridiculous soundbites to fit their own agenda.

 

[Moze]

Economic plan lol. What a load of bollocks. They have been chatting that shit for years and done nothing worthwhile.

 

[Ushojax]

I don't understand this negative reaction to a EU Referendum, why is it so bad that people get a say

Because it's like having a referendum on the death penalty. We all know what the result would be but that doesn't mean we should abide by it.

It is not possible to have a reasoned debate over the EU with the state of the news industry at the moment, the public never hear about the benefits of the EU because the Sun doesn't talk about it.

 

[Protome]

I'd love a poll of how many of UK Gaf are either first time voters, or at least under 25. I'd guess a decent majority, which is now being reflected in the degree of salt and hyperbole.

Love how a potential conservative majority will apparantly result in satan literally rising from the depths of hell to collect all our souls. You do realise it would have been little different if Labour had got in?

To be fair, if Theresa May announced she was in fact Satan reborn unto this world I don't think anyone would be surprised. The Tories as a whole aren't that bad.

 

[iMax]

There was 4 years of this^ among almost all of the tabloids. Do you really think 4 years of telling your millions of readers that Labour and Ed is full of shit is not going to influence them? You might be able to find a few Mirror headlines like that, but not many. To deny the propaganda is absolutely insane.

What about the Tories do you like? Do you like the fact they treat disabled people like criminals? Do you like poor disabled people being taxed for existing? Do you like that?

The media is bigger than the papers. Look at Twitter, GAF, Reddit, Tumblr, Facebook, and TV. The media is wider and influencers—especially for the younger generation—are different. Liberal media is far from invisible.

You can read my post history in this thread in regard to my political stances, if it's really relevant to you. This is a democracy. People have different views from one another. It's kinda how the system works.

 

[BigDes]

Because the odds of it being split and requiring each part of the Union to agree to leave are unlikely. Scotland being dragged out of the EU when membership being potentially difficult to get was one of the main reasons the Independence referendum failed would be awful.

If the 'UK' votes to leave the EU then the SNP will I imagine begin proceedings to leave the Union. They can clearly argue they have a mandate for it.

 

[CCS]

but that is not a reason to deny it surely? Clegg did a TV debate on the pro EU, and lost if you believe reports...

Do you not think people don't want it as they know it will more than likely be a vote to leave

It's more because people will not be well-informed, as a result of the above problem. I have no problem with leaving if people want it based upon well-informed viewpoints, but I don't want us to leave because people decided based upon scaremongering headlines and exaggerated stories rather than the facts.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I don't understand this negative reaction to a EU Referendum, why is it so bad that people get a say

Because people might vote yes which would be monumentally stupid.

We don't offer a referendum on hanging.

 

[90TilInfinity]

I never said that, but here is no denying that the media abuses the fact that a vast majority of people who vote are idiots who have no idea what they are doing.

That's never not been the case, so on some level, you have to blame Labour for being too cowardly to defend justifiable economic policy, on top of doing nothing to counter Tory/UKIP narratives for 4/5 years. They've completely failed to do their job as a worthy left-wing opposition, because a couple issues might have been a hard sell (who wants to solve the housing crisis after all? and why would people want to know the benefits of the EU?). Labour have completely over-estimated their brand, but the fact that Scotland washed their hands of them says everything on where they stand right now.

(Absolutely did not vote Tory btw, and I'm upset with the result)

 

[S¡mon]

It's not entirely clear for me yet. How can the SNP get 50 seats with 1.5 million votes, while UKIP gets 1 seat with 3 million votes?!

 

[liquidtmd]

I did vote Conservative and am pleased it looks like they don't have to be held ransom by the DUP

Bit disheartened by the venom and scaremongering now of the Politicians and voters of other parties. Ultimately we are all people at the end of the day. I hope we can all accept this and work together to make the UK a better place. Its easy to be cynical and if the Tories now indeed do mess up, it's all on them and we can kick them next time.

The thought of Labour - SNP really didn't appeal to me but I say hand on heart if that's what we'd woke up to, Id be accepting and say 'lets all work together, I love my country warts and all' and not 'fuck Milliband, I'm moving'. Its grossly simplistic, childish and doesn't get us anywhere

 

[anonymous_abc]

It's not entirely clear for me yet. How can the SNP get 50 seats with 1.5 million votes, while UKIP gets 1 seat with 3 million votes?!

Enter the glorious First Past the Post voting system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

 

[Protome]

It's not entirely clear for me yet. How can the SNP get 50 seats with 1.5 million votes, while UKIP gets 1 seat with 3 million votes?!

Lines are split to give Scotland more seats based on size than population.

 

[Tak3n]

If the 'UK' votes to leave the EU then the SNP will I imagine begin proceedings to leave the Union. They can clearly argue they have a mandate for it.

Tories already said before the election, if the UK vote to leave then Scotland will be expected to follow.... as you can instantly see the problem....Borders, who is pay for that 12 foot wall

 

[Craymen Edge]

3.5m votes for UKIP, one seat.
1.5m votes for SNP, fifty-six seats.

It does need to change, but thankfully, it's only UKIP.

That's not exactly representative. SNP got those 1.5m votes contesting only 59 seats, UKIP achieved 3.5m votes combined from >600 candidates.

 

[pigeon]

I don't understand this negative reaction to a EU Referendum, why is it so bad that people get a say

There are only two possibilities.

If the UK vote to leave the EU, Europe plunges into an economic calamity that makes the Great Recession look like a normal, not that great recession. Nor would the UK escape it just because they left.

If they don't, nothing changes one way or another.

Why would anybody want to put that up to a vote?

 

[jimbobsmells]

It's not entirely clear for me yet. How can the SNP get 50 seats with 1.5 million votes, while UKIP gets 1 seat with 3 million votes?!

Because democracy.

Spoiler

FPTP FTW

 

[ANuclearError]

It's not entirely clear for me yet. How can the SNP get 50 seats with 1.5 million votes, while UKIP gets 1 seat with 3 million votes?!

FPTP is really flawed, since UKIPs vote was spread too thin over the whole country to win seats, whereas SNP had massive support across Scotland.

 

[RedSparrows]

Because people might vote yes which would be monumentally stupid.

We don't offer a referendum on hanging.

Just to pre-empt opinion poll quotes, we don't offer refs on train nationalisation either.

 

[Ushojax]

It's not entirely clear for me yet. How can the SNP get 50 seats with 1.5 million votes, while UKIP gets 1 seat with 3 million votes?!

Because UKIP's 3 million votes was spread across the country. It was 3 million split between god knows how many constituencies. SNP vote was Scotland-only.

 

[Lagamorph]

Miliband to resign official.