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[GRW810]

It's weird that in the election that UKIP made huge percentage gains and established themselves as a notable name on the ballot, their recognisable leader's failure to win his seat could lead to the party's prompt downfall.

To the vast majority of people, UKIP is Farage. Carswell in Clacton is the sole party representative and he's not going to carry the party forward.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Its also about time benefits got stricter considering all the benefit system abuse thats been reported over the years. They do need to be make it harder to abuse to such an extent.

 

[industrian]

What were the bookies' odds for a Tory majority?

 

[twobear]

Its also about time benefits got stricter considering all the benefit system abuse thats been reported over the years. They do need to be make it harder to abuse to such an extent.

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[Gormless Noodle]

OMG someone make this a face emoji

My Photoshop skills need work.

 

[Charles Brandon]

if someone could give me a brief rundown of FPTP that'd be nice

is it just essentially get the most votes and you win?

in every constituency the winner is elected and all the other votes are ignored. works OK in a two party system but when there are parties with large and widely spread popular support who get nothing and where one party can absolutely clean up in an area despite having only +/- 50% of the vote, it looks a bit fucked.

 

[RedShift]

Listening to the Rains of Castamere on loop.

Its also about time benefits got stricter considering all the benefit system abuse thats been reported over the years. They do need to be make it harder to abuse to such an extent.

Fucking lol.

 

[nOoblet16]

Congratulations!

As for what Farage said, it's hard to argue that the SNP getting 50x the seats with half the number of votes is anything other than a shambles, but with a Tory majority able to enact boundary reform, I can't seem them wanting to change much. But if they make serious moves into federalisation, it seems impossible to imagine they'll be able to avoid it.

How is it "shambles" ?
SNP contested for 58 seats, while UKIP contested for over 600
Scotland is also less populated than England.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Simon is and half punching above his weight.

 

[Vitanimus]

Its also about time benefits got stricter considering all the benefit system abuse thats been reported over the years. They do need to be make it harder to abuse to such an extent.

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[Chinese Cartoons]

Its also about time benefits got stricter considering all the benefit system abuse thats been reported over the years. They do need to be make it harder to abuse to such an extent.

Yeah so much abuse less than one percent fraud and declaring disabled people fit to work, does the sun still have tits on page 3?

 

[Tenebrous]

How is it "shambles" ?
SNP contested for 58 seats UKIP contested for over 600.

Scotland is also less populated than England.

But this is a UK election, and in the UK as a whole, UKIP gathered more votes.

 

[Moosichu]

Its also about time taxes got stricter considering all the tax abuse thats been reported over the years. They do need to be make it harder to abuse to such an extent.

Ftfy

Companies not paying hundreds of millions is much more of a problem than someone with a spare bedroom.

 

[RedSparrows]

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Pfft, it's common sense!

The amount of rage I feel at that phrase...

 

[EdwardTeach]

so you say your vote depends on the welfare of your wife and child, and then you're happy for the party who savagely axed all kinds of benefits for women and children.....

[edit] correction: you said you didn't vote

It is easy to imagine a case where you could feel that your family are better off despite losing some benefits. I have 2 kids and we lost out on some of the means tested benefits under the tories (probably fairly), but will likely be better off in the long term due lower top rate of tax and hopefully changes to inheritance tax.

 

[industrian]

Its also about time benefits got stricter considering all the benefit system abuse thats been reported over the years. They do need to be make it harder to abuse to such an extent.

I know, right.

Just imagine what we could do with the infinite billions that we waste away on these scroungers. The NHS could be fixed! We could actually have an aircraft carrier with actual aircraft! And maybe - just maybe - we could finally focus our attention on minor issues. Like large-scale tax evasion by billionaire corporations and other petty shit like that. Amirite?

 

[SmokyDave]

so you say your vote depends on the welfare of your wife and child, and then you're happy for the party who savagely axed all kinds of benefits for women and children.....

I'm in favour of benefit reforms though.

correction: you said you didn't vote

I didn't say I was happy the Cons were elected either.

I know, right.

Just imagine what we could do with the infinite billions that we waste away on these scroungers. The NHS could be fixed! We could actually have an aircraft carrier with actual aircraft! And maybe - just maybe - we could finally focus our attention on minor issues. Like large-scale tax evasion by billionaire corporations and other petty shit like that. Amirite?

Lord knows we can't pursue the corporations and reform the benefits system! It's one or the other.

 

[kmag]

 

[GRW810]

I don't agree with 99% of what comes out of Farage's mouth, but voting reform would be nice.

Could someone more knowledgeable than me about voting and politics explain, in a nutshell, what the alternatives are to First Past the Post?

 

[caesar]

Farage out? Silver linings etc

 

[HazySaiyan]

Its also about time benefits got stricter considering all the benefit system abuse thats been reported over the years. They do need to be make it harder to abuse to such an extent.

kek

 

[Matty8787]

Its also about time benefits got stricter considering all the benefit system abuse thats been reported over the years. They do need to be make it harder to abuse to such an extent.

More benefits go unclaimed than unfairly claimed.

 

[PJV3]

Congratulations

Cheers, my PS4 is gathering dust now

[ c i t a t i o n f u c k i n g n e e d e d ]

Social leftie programs are held to higher standards, any wanker with a big telly means it is a failure. The US uses the fridge instead to work out if the poor are taking the piss.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Well its just one area.....if its being abused doesn't that means there is room for improvement. Of course the big debate is how to make it more strict while ensuring those in need get theirs.

 

[CyclopsRock]

How is it "shambles" ?
SNP contested for 58 seats UKIP contested for over 600.

Scotland is also less populated than England.

Yeah, and what you said explains the result but it doesn't justify it. It's the same with the Greens and - yup - the Lib Dems. You have ~4 million people with one voice in parliament, and ~2m people with 50+. Or, at least, a voice that they chose.

 

[N7Commander95]

My Photoshop skills need work.

Ha I also gave it a go

 

[twobear]

Well its just one area.....if its being abused doesn't that means there is room for improvement. Of course the big debate is how to make it more strict while ensuring those in need get theirs.

???????????????

there's no debate to be had

'benefits are being abused' is a red herring

i can't even tell if you're just trolling, i'm so sleep deprived.

 

[RedSparrows]

Could someone more knowledgeable than me about voting and politics explain, in a nutshell, what the alternatives are to First Past the Post?

PR is the most obvious: proportional representation. Vote totals are totted up and representation is divided by said totals. Thus a 49% vote in a seat, that loses to a 51%, still gets some kind of representation via the party.

We had a referendum for Alternative Vote a few years back, was defeated. Labour and Tories didn't want it. You pick candidates in order, 1, 2, 3 etc. The candidate with least first preferences is eliminated, then the next etc, until one candidate has half of all votes.

 

[Slowdive]

Its also about time benefits got stricter considering all the benefit system abuse thats been reported over the years. They do need to be make it harder to abuse to such an extent.

lol

 

[Moze]

Well its just one area.....if its being abused doesn't that means there is room for improvement. Of course the big debate is how to make it more strict while ensuring those in need get theirs.

That is already being done. You know how they do it? They do it by claiming everybody claiming benefits is a lying criminal. That's how it is done. Disabled people aren't actually disabled. Single mothers can get fucked. Fuck everybody else.

And the media will feed the public with nonsense so they believe it all.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Its also about time benefits got stricter considering all the benefit system abuse thats been reported over the years. They do need to be make it harder to abuse to such an extent.

Oh they'll get stricter. There won't be any at all.

 

[mocoworm]

???????????????

there's no debate to be had

'benefits are being abused' is a red herring

i can't even tell if you're just trolling, i'm so sleep deprived.

Welfare benefits are a tiny percentage of the bill, most of the benefit bill goes on pensions. The fact that people believe this 'benefit Britain' / immigration bullshit is insane.

 

[nOoblet16]

But this is a UK election, and in the UK as a whole, UKIP gathered more votes.

Well according to that logic majority of the people did not vote tories, and did not want them back in...but they are coming back into power now.

 

[Jezbollah]

Something tells me Al was happy 'Nige lost:

 

[Mr. Sam]

PR is the most obvious: proportional representation. Vote totals are totted up and representation is divided by said totals. Thus a 49% vote in a seat, that loses to a 51%, still gets some kind of representation via the party.

We had a referendum for Alternative Vote a few years back, was defeated. Labour and Tories didn't want it. You pick candidates in order, 1, 2, 3 etc. The candidate with least first preferences is eliminated, then the next etc, until one candidate has half of all votes.

Actually, Alternative Vote was just first and second preferences - i.e. 1 & 2 (unless I'm misremembering).

 

[Charles Brandon]

Well according to that logic majority of the people did not vote tories, and did not want them back in...but they are coming back into power now.

yes...

 

[BossDarkseid]

So....

when are we holding leadership elections for the left-wing UKPoliGAF Party?

 

[RedSparrows]

Well its just one area.....if its being abused doesn't that means there is room for improvement. Of course the big debate is how to make it more strict while ensuring those in need get theirs.

Nobody. Thinks. Fraud. Is. Good.

Nobody. Thinks. Systems. Are. Beyond. Improvement.

Quite what 'strict' means is precisely the issue: it depends on your position. It is not a given. The terms of this 'debate' are so jaundiced at the moment.

Meanwhile IDS's flagship Universal system is a fucking mess of waste. Lolirony etc.

 

[War Peaceman]

I feel very sorry for ukip voters but also green and ld voters who have been disenfranchised by fptp.

 

[RedSparrows]

Actually, Alternative Vote was just first and second preferences - i.e. 1 & 2 (unless I'm misremembering).

Ah gotcha, I couldn't remember the specifics for the ref. I think AV can be more than 1 & 2 picks, though.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Actually, Alternative Vote was just first and second preferences - i.e. 1 & 2 (unless I'm misremembering).

You're misremembering, although what you describe (Supplementary Vote) is used in the London mayoral elections.

 

[Ashes]

Lord knows we can't pursue the corporations and reform the benefits system! It's one or the other.

Would you not rather pursue council tax reform? The poor inherently pay far more than their fair share in this regard. Yes. It may[/i/] be costly in the short term, but much needed over the longer term.

 

[Psychotext]

Something tells me Al was happy 'Nige lost:

How many votes did Al get in the end?

 

[SlickShoes]

But this is a UK election, and in the UK as a whole, UKIP gathered more votes.

While there is a large-ish over all support for UKIP, it's telling that only one area in the whole country so far thought they were a better alternative than the status quo.

If they get 5000 votes in every constituency in the UK that amounts to a lot of people over all but it doesn't mean they should be representing anyone, since those numbers come nowhere close to winning in that local area.

 

[mocoworm]

I feel very sorry for ukip voters but also green and ld voters who have been disenfranchised by fptp.

I feel zero sympathy for UKIP voters.

 

[Pyramid head]

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You didn't see Benefits Street on Channel 4? And the papers are always telling us the brown people with 30 kids are coming over and being handed all our mansions.

 

[Jezbollah]

How many votes did Al get in the end?

It was around 300.

 

[MisterFalcon]

He looks like a wet rag.

Isn't he in poor health ? The BBC mentioned he could not campaign a lot due to his health.

 

[Joni]

Could someone more knowledgeable than me about voting and politics explain, in a nutshell, what the alternatives are to First Past the Post?

You use proportional representation which means each vote matters. You look at all the votes cast and each party gets a proportional number of seats. Now, you can split this up in zones so Scotland gets 60 seats in all cases and the division of that is decided by the proportional vote in Scotland. You can also set a minimum percentage a party needs to get to be able to qualify for a seat. So if you get less than 5% of the vote for instance, you don't get a seat.

Isn't he in poor health ? The BBC mentioned he could not campaign a lot due to his health.

Nigel Farage: stop making unfounded rumours about my health.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rumours-about-my-health-says-Ukip-leader.html
The wet rag (actually damp rag) comment refers to one of his own statements anyway.

 

[driver116]

David Cameron vows to bring the UK together.