PJV3
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He could have been a great politician, but he squandered his talents. I still enjoy his Washington performance.
But he's a dickhead.
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He could have been a great politician, but he squandered his talents. I still enjoy his Washington performance.
But he's a dickhead.
electroshockwave
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I can see that being accepted easily enough. The European court of justice already ruled that Germany can refuse benefits to migrants that never held a job there.
The thing is that even though I can agree with the point about about claiming from a country that you haven't contributed to most of the EU migrants are here to work, not claim benefits. (I imagine a lot of the Brits claiming in the Republic of Ireland are doing the double up here in the North. -_-) The welfare migrant is a bit of a myth. 2.5% of EU migrants here claim JSA, the same proportion as Britons abroad. Though I do think that Labour should have implemented some restrictions on movement to the newly joined countries in 2004 when they had the option to. Suddenly introducing a large amount of people to the labour market who are willing to work in worse conditions for less was a bad idea. It's difficult untangling the social/economic arguments about immigration from the racist and xenophobic ones but the failure to do so is why Labour lost a lot of what should be their base to UKIP.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Galloway is a the political equivalent of the broken clock. Most of the shit he comes out with is outlandish "look at me" spectacle, but when he's right - boy is he right. The Senate hearings, and even some of his outbursts against Scottish independence were bang on.
But whatever the case, ever since Galloway got kicked out of Glasgow Kelvin he's been nothing more than a controversy-seeking carpetbagger who has deliberately chosen to exploit divisions in communities with significant Muslim populations to get elected.
The problem with Swinney wasn't really that he was a bad leader, but his leadership was just "meh" and the party didn't move forward at all. And part of the problem with Swinney - and the candidates who were running against him - was that up until that time the SNP revolved around Alex Salmond's cult of personality and had no contingencies for replacing him. Thankfully, once Salmond returned he groomed Sturgeon to replace him - and hopefully Sturgeon has a similar understudy for when it's her turn to step aside.
CyclopsRock
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Someone on Twitter:
"Doesn't Dan Jarvis have an unelectably socially-awkward brother that could become leader?"
"Doesn't Dan Jarvis have an unelectably socially-awkward brother that could become leader?"
Rubbish King
The gift that keeps on giving
Voted Conservative and by god it felt like utter betrayal towards the die-hard labour family I come from..
The Tories have very kindly outlined what they want to do in regards to the Human Rights Act (.PDF) and why they feel it's necessary.
I am pretty worried about their admission that they want to 'break the formal link between British courts and the ECoHR'. That ultimate Strasbourg protection is absolutely vital to have, in my opinion.
I am pretty worried about their admission that they want to 'break the formal link between British courts and the ECoHR'. That ultimate Strasbourg protection is absolutely vital to have, in my opinion.
Wrestlemania
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They can't force this insanity on the devolved administrations, right?
Mr. Luchador
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When they showed the Labour guy serving in the Army I instantly thought - He's the guy, I'd vote for him! Don't even know what he's like, so there's something deep within me that just thinks someone who's served their country would be a great leader... that can't be good.
jimbobsmells
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You scum how dare you betray your family and this country!!
Has everyone calmed down now?
that is exactly what they want rid of, so when someone kills someone who is not native to the UK and then claim human rights to stay in this country..these people should be deported, we even had one instance where someone won their human rights appeal because they had a cat!.....if you commit a crime serious enough to be jailed (and lord knows nowadays that has to be something bad) then you should be kicked out
no if's no but's
he said, not yet...he did not say not ever...
we all know Labour will lose the next election as well, so he will probably do a leadership challenge then, when his kids are older
PJV3
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The cat thing wasn't true really, the person had to prove they had formed strong links with our country. Yes a cat was mentioned, but the judge didn't base a decision on it.
That's what I think the hoo hah was about anyway.
Mr. Luchador
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Do other countries kick you out if you commit a crime there? I honestly don't know.
PJV3
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Yeah.
It depends on what you do and where. Some will give you a few lashes first.
Others will send the corpse back if you ask nicely too, sometimes when it's still warm, even.
We don't know this at all. I'm not sure why it's suddenly 'the thing' to instantly write off the next election, but in politics a day is a lifetime and 5 years a really big lifetime.
There are still a lot of marginals where the conservative majority is fairly small. There's absolutely no reason why Labour shouldn't be gearing itself up to try and win the next election, and there's no reason why it can't. Especially if (as is likely) at some point in the next 5 years there's a recession and labour repositions itself ass a party that actually has something to offer the middle class.
It's not like Cameron has a massive majority here. This isn't 1982 all over again, it's 1992. Once the honeymoon period has worn off the party will remember it really dislikes Cameron and Osbourne, and Europe is going to put them into convulsions.
PJV3
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Like our friends over the pond, they're not really bothered if you did the crime or not, when you read about all the fuck ups and Governors playing hard man.
Wrestlemania
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Yeah, let's throw out the Human Rights Act and all the protection it brings us because of a few fringe cases, most have which have been poorly reported by rags like the Daily Mail. Great!
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, that was bullshit. May used it to further push for the scrapping of the HRA...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15160326
Funny and distubing how some people believed this at face value...
this is not me, Alan Johnson and others have said they need a 10 year rebuilding process
of course there could be another 1997, I agree anything is possible, but I am just saying what the Labour party are saying (well some of them)
i'm sorry if you commit a crime that means you do jail time, you should not be welcome to stay in the country where you committed said crime...
that is not that unreasonable is it?
Mr. Luchador
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Well it just makes sense, maybe not the lashes part (but I guess you'd be aware of that before you chose to live in that Country) that if you settle down in a foreign country you're doing so as a guest. You mess up and commit crime then it's time for you to leave and go back to your own country where they can spend their own money rehabilitating/locking you up.
you are not even allowed entry to the USA if you have a crime record from your own country...
Wrestlemania
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I don't think it should be as black and white as that, no. Do you think it's worth throwing the entire HRA out over?
exactly, you know the rules and choose to ignore them, you should not then be allowed to go crying to any court in Europe to try to block that
don't do the fucking crime
simples!
No, it has to be otherwise we get what we have now, high paid barristers combing throw the law to find the loopholes....the HRA was never intended to protect criminals from deportation, you know that, it is the legal profession finding this loop holes..
Black and white rule, as long the immigrants made aware of this rule how can they complain.....really it is not that unreasonable, worth remembering as well you really have to go some to get thrown in jail in the UK now
PJV3
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As a broad principle it's fine, not many would argue. But then their might be children here etc.
I like giving judges room to apply a little sense to a particular case.
PrivateRyan
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I joined the LibDems following the general election (feel quite energised about UK politics despite - or perhaps because of - the result) and they've been making a lot of noise about 7,500 new members joining since Friday.
How does that compare to the other parties? Does anyone know any figures? Would like to see that number in some sort of context.
How does that compare to the other parties? Does anyone know any figures? Would like to see that number in some sort of context.
But... if you did something that required you to end up in jail, one could argue they were not that worried about the damage that would do to their children, we then allow them to come out of jail claiming 'I have children' I know this sounds harsh, but you have to be clear
PJV3
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Please vote Farron(obviously do what you want)
Decent man, he could do wonders in a short space of time. Sadly he might get buggered by the boundary changes.
PJV3
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He's a cunt who doesn't care, we are sensible and are thinking about the child.
Oops, double post, sorry.
I know, and I have wrestled with this HRA in my mind on if it is good, but I cant help feeling if you allow any a hint of ambiguity, the law profession will tear it apart to find the cracks.... there would be cases that would be cruel on our part, but one would hope the message would get out quickly, that there is no way to block deportation, so don't do it!
Jezbollah
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I'm guessing because he was very close to Miliband that they want him mk2?
PrivateRyan
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Honestly, that was the main reason I joined. Not at all inspired by the other choices.
PJV3
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I can't agree with the unions on this one.
Mid Staffs was a disgrace, Burnham and Johnson fucked up big time. He needs to prove he can run a department first.
The unions should have learnt their lesson - the candidate they back has to then push back against them to dispel the notion he's controlled by the unions, so they end up in a worse position than if they hadn't backed anyone.
Labour party grandees talking about not winning an election for 10 years is the same as in the states after 2008, when the republican party wrote itself off after that disaster. Im not saying that they should model themselves after the tea party, but *anyone* predicting they know what the political landscape will look like in 5 years time is talking nonsense. If labour go into this with the attitude it will be 10 years before they can win, then it will be 10 years.
I really doubt people like Chukka, Liz et al are going for a caretaker role for the next 5 years.
Labour party grandees talking about not winning an election for 10 years is the same as in the states after 2008, when the republican party wrote itself off after that disaster. Im not saying that they should model themselves after the tea party, but *anyone* predicting they know what the political landscape will look like in 5 years time is talking nonsense. If labour go into this with the attitude it will be 10 years before they can win, then it will be 10 years.
I really doubt people like Chukka, Liz et al are going for a caretaker role for the next 5 years.
You scum how dare you betray your family and this country!!
Has everyone calmed down now?
Calmed down and depressed now. Every time I try and think "Lets give them a chance, lets see how things go", I see a fox hunting / NHS / Benefit Scroungers article and wish we at least had the LibDems to reign in this far right thinking.
I think community work and charity work will be the only thing that will cheer me up. My wife's waiting for her application form to the Special Constables and I'll be applying after her (don't want to be on the same application process). Hopefully doing something ourselves will at least save some hope we have.
jimbobsmells
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I had to google Dan Jarvis.
Damn when I saw a picture of him in his army days I immediately stood up, saluted and sang God save the Queen.
Damn when I saw a picture of him in his army days I immediately stood up, saluted and sang God save the Queen.
Andy Burnham was my fear for the Labour party, there's no way he gets given the leadership and wins an election...I mean I broadly agree with some of what he has to say, and even I want to strangle the man half the time.
I'm not sure who I want to replace him. Maybe someone who wasn't there in 2010, frankly I want someone not associated with the Blair/Brown years so the Tories don't have something there to launch into rhetoric about spending and past government failures.
Frankly I think all 2nd term governments should be barred from blaming the previous government, they've had 5 years, they should be on top of things by then.
I'm not sure who I want to replace him. Maybe someone who wasn't there in 2010, frankly I want someone not associated with the Blair/Brown years so the Tories don't have something there to launch into rhetoric about spending and past government failures.
Frankly I think all 2nd term governments should be barred from blaming the previous government, they've had 5 years, they should be on top of things by then.
unconfirmed reports said the conservatives were cock a hoot when he ruled himself out, as they felt he could do them damage...
Just like they partied like it was 1999 when Ed Miliband got the leadership
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Before the Independence Referendum, SNP membership was around 25,000.
As of today, SNP membership is over 110,000, which makes them the third-largest political party in the UK (Labour: 200,000; Conservatives 150,000; UKIP, the Greens and the Lib Dems are around 40,000-50,000.)
Or to put it another way, roughly 1 in 50 people in Scotland are SNP members. This is basically like an English political party having over 1 million members.
PJV3
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He actually pauses every time he enters Westminster to think about his constituency.
He's like Mr Perfect, and unlike Blair he comes from a Labour family. I want to cry into my red flag.
Radio 5 live your call today
this is obviously anecdotal evidence so best to treat it as such, every caller about labour and conservative said the Labour only appealed if you were on welfare, there was nothing that said they would help those that did not require help from the state.
also the influence of the SNP on Labour was a big turn off
this is obviously anecdotal evidence so best to treat it as such, every caller about labour and conservative said the Labour only appealed if you were on welfare, there was nothing that said they would help those that did not require help from the state.
also the influence of the SNP on Labour was a big turn off
anonymous_abc
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Yea realise they will do that anyway.
And there is no such thing as black and white rules in law. Reality usually just isn't that easy to take apart. In 99% of cases you will have shades of grey not black and white.
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