Audioboxer
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I think that will just piss the Scottish people and start another referendum drive.
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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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I think that will just piss the Scottish people and start another referendum drive.
PJV3
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I thought that was an MP for a minute.
Matt_
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Rob wilson is a third term conservative Mp
edit; unless you mean the other person who i think is some random
He is. This is just a display of tory arrogance.
cjp
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...oliticians-at-top-of-westminster-9587642.html
Our new Justice Secretary everyone.
SymbiantXenos
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I would be shocked if anyone from any party opened that can of worms.
fizzelopeguss
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Just looking at his facial features no one can tell me that bloke isn't a nonce.
In slightly better news. Tom Watson is running to be deputy leader of the Labour party, and he has really been very good at spreading the message about child abuse and fighting for child sex abuse fighters very hard. If Labour can get in government with someone like him as the DPM, maybe then we will find out what has been going on with regards to child sex abuse.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...mistake-in-ditching-new-labour-says-mandelson
I just don't get how in any way possible, anyone can think the New Labour brand is anything but toxic. It's what probably cost Labour this election more than anything.
I just don't get how in any way possible, anyone can think the New Labour brand is anything but toxic. It's what probably cost Labour this election more than anything.
PJV3
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A bit Alan B'stard, he should use it in the Commons.
People have accepted they will never get anywhere. It still makes him a cunt.
Psycho_Mantis
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Funny how none of this "the system is flawed talk" would come up if Labour was the one ahead and Tories were second.
This "the system is flawed talk" was the sole basis of the Conservative election campaign.
I'm pretty sure we've been banging on about how fucked FPTP is for a long time.
Psycho_Mantis
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Ask yourselves this; Do you honestly believe that if Labour had won like the Tories we would be seeing pages of this system is flawed?
PJV3
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I've been wanting to burn the system to the ground for years.
Head of state- no vote whatsoever.
Revising chamber-no fuck off
Legislature-you can vote for what you want, then we'll chuck it in the bin. but you can vote for the bloke you dont quite hate as much as the other one.
It sucks for anybody having to do this shit.
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What I wouldn't give to hang out with Andrew Marr.
Moral Panic
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1998? I think the Conservatives have enough avenues for you to bash them with than to find something someone said almost 20 years ago.
SymbiantXenos
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Still an opinion no? Or should we just disregard that.
PJV3
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No he's saying a man who didn't want to chase up child abuse is now in charge of JUSTICE.
A bit like making Michael Foot in charge of Launching the Nuclear weapons.
SymbiantXenos
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No, he's also in favor (1998) of bringing hanging back.
PJV3
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Apologies, didn't notice that another Gove thing was brought up.
Apologies to Moral panic while I'm at it. 98 should have been a give away.
electroshockwave
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Yes, who among us hasn't called for the return of the death penalty at one time or another? He gave solid reasons too, e.g that banning the death penalty had somehow made punishing the innocent more likely...?
The main factors that have led to this electoral reform talk is how UKIP and the Greens were screwed in England and Wales, and how much the SNP benefitted in Scotland. All those factors would still be there even if Labour had picked up more seats than the Tories, and therefore it would certainly still be talked about.
SymbiantXenos
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Not me?
electroshockwave
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Sorry, I guess my irony didn't translate into text so well.
SymbiantXenos
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No worries.
MrRoflWaffles
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How can you be so sure?
I think the system is flawed but that doesn't mean I'm in favour of UKIP having more power in this country - I'm no fan of the party but still think that with something like 12.5% of the vote and only 1 seat, something needs to change.
Post below from Tregard illustrates this quite nicely.
82 UKIP seats under PR - I'd be very unhappy with this, but I still think that it's a more fair representation of things.
Just because I'm a Labour voter doesn't mean that a desire for change in favour of fairness is a nefarious plan to get Labour back into power miraculously lol.
Many posters, including myself, were moaning about FPTP for weeks in this very thread before the election
CyclopsRock
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Also, briefly back to Bercow, the Tories don't hate him because of Glenda Jackson. The Tories hated him before he even became speaker - that's basically *why* he was made speaker. He had to, by convention, be a Tory (though parliamentary convention was not something New Labour took all that seriously) so they chose the most left wing one they could find who everyone also happened to hate. They still hate him. Personally I think his Speakership could have been a lot worse given he's clearly a vindictice bell end but I'm sure there are literally hundreds of people in the House better suited to the task. The idea is that the person can be unbiased because they have mutual respect across the house. Bercow's equivalent appears to be that he can be neutral because everyone hates him equally.
Sir_Crocodile
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I wouldn't be surprised if Bercow started giving labour a hard time in this parliament just to spite his wife
Over a million Green voters and I are a bit miffed about the lack of seats we got too.
Jezbollah
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Absolutely.
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I actually think Bercow has been a really good Speaker. I mean, the Parliament of 2010 was uncharted waters in almost every way and he kept a really good hold on matters. Surprisingly authoritative in cutting overly energetic MPs from both sides of the house at PMQs. I can't really think of who would have done better off the top of my head who was willing and available at the time, although I'm sure there probably was someone.
electroshockwave
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I only found this by chance while looking for another article but I had no idea about the Hague and Gove's plan to oust Bercow on the last day of Parliament. Incredibly slimy move on the part of the Tory leadership. I guess I must have been too busy to check the news at the time and completely missed it. I should probably spend more time in PoliGaf outside of election time.
Looking at the result for Surrey Heath I'm surprised that Gove increased his majority. I would have thought that his time over education made him unpopular and being moved to chief whip was him being shuffled out of the spotlight while giving him something to soften the blow. It's funny how you can fail and move sideways or even upwards.
Looking at the result for Surrey Heath I'm surprised that Gove increased his majority. I would have thought that his time over education made him unpopular and being moved to chief whip was him being shuffled out of the spotlight while giving him something to soften the blow. It's funny how you can fail and move sideways or even upwards.
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Also, re: PR. In this election, Labour would have been crushed even more decisively with PR. UKIP are, after all, to the right of the Conservatives, a PR parliament would likely have been dominated as a whole by the right even more than it is now. The fact so many people are still arguing for PR is surely indicative of the fact that it is a genuine desire for fairness and not just to see their side win. I don't see how you can see this as leftist gerrymandering when it would have hurt the left so much this election.
It's not my fault you don't understand economics.
Sir_Crocodile
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The voting in of Bercow to begin was fairly underhanded on labour's side from a convention view to be honest.
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Then explain it to him? We've just had a fair number of pages of rightwing people complaining abotu leftwing people being scathing and judgemental. Why not sit down and explain why deficit spending during weak economic times is valuable?
For those who genuinely are interested, there's an article here by Simon Wren-Lewis, a professor of economics at Oxford:
http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/a-simple-guide-to-uk-fiscal-deficit.html
As a disclaimer, he is a New Keynesian*, but the article does not rely on New Keynesian assumptions, as Tony Yates points out in his extended opinion on this particular post. Instead, it's just a well-written and accessible explanation of how deficits work aimed at non-economists.
*this doesn't mean leftwing, it's just the term for economists who make a particular set of assumptions about how quickly prices and wages can respond to changes in other variables. There are a great many rightwing New Keynesians, in the sense that they prefer small government and greater personal spheres of freedom. They would just advocate deficit spending in poor economic conditions as a matter of proper policy rather than political leaning.
Yep.
Being pro-electoral reform should be a matter of principal, not brazen political interest.
Similarly, I'm glad the Boundary Changes are now being pushed through, even though it likely means at least a few more Tory majorities after this one, because it is the right thing to do.
Disenfranchising the electorate is wrong, even if it is to your benefit.
JonathanEx
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Let's all go for 2025 then
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