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[PJV3]

Radio 5 live your call today

this is obviously anecdotal evidence so best to treat it as such, every caller about labour and conservative said the Labour only appealed if you were on welfare, there was nothing that said they would help those that did not require help from the state.

also the influence of the SNP on Labour was a big turn off

So they didn't need help from the state but wanted help from the state.

I know what you mean.

 

[PrivateRyan]

Before the Independence Referendum, SNP membership was around 25,000.

As of today, SNP membership is over 110,000, which makes them the third-largest political party in the UK (Labour: 200,000; Conservatives 150,000; UKIP, the Greens and the Lib Dems are around 40,000-50,000.)

Or to put it another way, roughly 1 in 50 people in Scotland are SNP members. This is basically like an English political party having over 1 million members.

Thanks industrian.

I'll look up the figures for the other parties at lunch today, interesting to know how they all compare!

 

[Tak3n]

Boris Johnson has gone into number 10!!

 

[anonymous_abc]

Boris Johnson has gone into number 10!!

Nothing good can come from this...

 

[Tak3n]

So they didn't need help from the state but wanted help from the state.

I know what you mean.

yeah, sorry not clear, they meant they saw them as only a party for those on welfare

 

[PJV3]

Nothing good can come from this...

How many jobs does he want?
I will start seeing him in my sleep.

 

[Tak3n]

Nothing good can come from this...

keep your enemies close

 

[JonathanEx]

He'll be attending cabinet but focusing on Major of London responsibilities. Probably yes, keep your enemies closer...

 

[Tak3n]

so the first real test... The EU want those members to agree to take refugees to stop the smugglers, countries with low unemployment (i.e us) will be expected to take the most

 

[JonathanEx]

John Whittingdale for Culture. Ugh, that's the BBC fucked. He seemed more focused on his own grandstanding than anything good at the CMS committee.

 

[anonymous_abc]

What's the point of this?

 

[PJV3]

so the first real test... The EU want those members to agree to take refugees to stop the smugglers, countries with low unemployment (i.e us) will be expected to take the most

This can apparently be imposed using some emergency law, am I reading that correctly? And Dave thinks he's going to get a yes in the referendum, bloody hell.

I also see dropping bombs in Libya is back on the agenda, that will sort it out.

 

[anonymous_abc]

so the first real test... The EU want those members to agree to take refugees to stop the smugglers, countries with low unemployment (i.e us) will be expected to take the most

I just came across this interesting info graphic


Blue Circle: How many people asked for assylum
Grey Circle: How many people the country should take according to a distribution based on population 1/3 and GDP 2/3

Source

 

[tomtom94]

What's the point of this?

In the case of a young minister it gives them experience of Cabinet and lets them contribute ideas.

In this case I assume it's some kind of reward for loyal service.

 

[anonymous_abc]

In the case of a young minister it gives them experience of Cabinet and lets them contribute ideas.

In this case I assume it's some kind of reward for loyal service.

I would assume the PM can invite whomever he wants to attend cabinet, why make such a big show of it?

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

I would assume the PM can invite whomever he wants to attend cabinet, why make such a big show of it?

ministerial jobs mean money and increased loyalty

 

[N7Commander95]

I would assume the PM can invite whomever he wants to attend cabinet, why make such a big show of it?

If he had been loyal, then I suppose big show off support might help his future prospects?

 

[PJV3]

I would assume the PM can invite whomever he wants to attend cabinet, why make such a big show of it?

He doesn't own the government.
There are rules about it, sensitive info etc.
And civil servants tutting in the background.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

the super juicy info only comes out at the kitchen cabinet anyway

 

[phisheep]

In the case of a young minister it gives them experience of Cabinet and lets them contribute ideas.

In this case I assume it's some kind of reward for loyal service.

Partly I think it is about broadening the range of views in Cabinet. Halfon is, for example, strongly pro Trade Unions.

If so, then that is a Good Thing.

 

[Protome]

Didn't see this on the last couple of pages, sorry if I missed it!

Looks like SNP are pushing to get the most out of those seats they gained.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/snp-wants-liberal-democrats-third-party-parliamentary-perks

A source said the SNP wanted the main offices of the Lib Dems in the Commons, which is known as the Lib Dem corridor or the Irish corridor.

The party is pushing for the third main whip’s office on the same corridor as that of Labour and the Conservatives, which allows back-channel negotiations between whips from different parties.

It is understood that the SNP expects a place on every select committee and chairmanship of one or two committees.

The party also wants about four opposition supply days of parliamentary time for the third party, a question to the prime minister every week and questions at other departmental question times. They are modelling their demands on the role of the Lib Dems during the 2005 to 2010 parliament.

 

[Tak3n]

Didn't see this on the last couple of pages, sorry if I missed it!

Looks like SNP are pushing to get the most out of those seats they gained.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/snp-wants-liberal-democrats-third-party-parliamentary-perks

you know the tories need to reep what they sow, their tactic was to collapse the Labour vote in Scotland, then use that to strike fear into the british people...

no point them moaning now

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Didn't see this on the last couple of pages, sorry if I missed it!

Looks like SNP are pushing to get the most out of those seats they gained.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/snp-wants-liberal-democrats-third-party-parliamentary-perks

they should get whatever the lib dems had as their party size is roughly the same

 

[Tak3n]

I just came across this interesting info graphic


Blue Circle: How many people asked for assylum
Grey Circle: How many people the country should take according to a distribution based on population 1/3 and GDP 2/3

Source

you see the major problem I have is exactly what this graph shows... the UK should get hardly any asylum seekers as our country would never be first to land, the rules are you claim asylum in the first safe country you reach.... yet look at the Cali there are thousands of Asylum seekers camped trying to get to the UK to claim Asylum....

these should be automatically rejected as they broke asylum rules

oh and Germany will start going right wing if they continue to get inundated

 

[PJV3]

Didn't see this on the last couple of pages, sorry if I missed it!

Looks like SNP are pushing to get the most out of those seats they gained.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/snp-wants-liberal-democrats-third-party-parliamentary-perks

They were elected, seems fair to me.
It's going to be odd having a left wing 3rd party, who don't worry about middle England.

 

[Tak3n]

Didn't see this on the last couple of pages, sorry if I missed it!

Looks like SNP are pushing to get the most out of those seats they gained.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/snp-wants-liberal-democrats-third-party-parliamentary-perks

if I recall as well, Nick Cleggs question was pointless as the microphone always mysteriously was never near enough and all the other MP's just made so much noise he was never heard

 

[Audioboxer]

Brace yourselves, cuts are coming!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...nservative-cabinet-david-cameron-welfare-cuts

 

[tomtom94]

Didn't see this on the last couple of pages, sorry if I missed it!

Looks like SNP are pushing to get the most out of those seats they gained.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/snp-wants-liberal-democrats-third-party-parliamentary-perks

In the nicest possible way, while they're the only party with the necessary seat size to justify such a status, some of those privileges are rather grandiose for a party which cannot stand in English seats. Needs to happen, though.

 

[Protome]

they should get whatever the lib dems had as their party size is roughly the same

They were elected, seems fair to me.
It's going to be odd having a left wing 3rd party, who don't worry about middle England.

I agree. It'll be especially weird given they abstain from things which don't impact Scotland but they earned it.

if I recall as well, Nick Cleggs question was pointless as the microphone always mysteriously was never near enough and all the other MP's just made so much noise he was never heard

It'll probably be Alex Salmond doing it though. I don't think the combined MPs of all the other parties can out shout that man.

 

[Tak3n]

Brace yourselves, cuts are coming!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...nservative-cabinet-david-cameron-welfare-cuts

LMAO, you have to nod your cap, they know how to play people

To justify the cuts, the Tories are likely to employ a narrative of skivers v strivers, suggesting a clear division between a large, permanently welfare-dependent group and the rest of the population who pay taxes to support it. The Tories know this is a fiction, but it is a politically useful one

 

[PJV3]

I agree. It'll be especially weird given they abstain from things which don't impact Scotland but they earned it.


It'll probably be Alex Salmond doing it though. I don't think the combined MPs of all the other parties can out shout that man.

Do they always go on BBC question time from now on? I'm not sure how the media have to deal with them.

 

[tomtom94]

Duncan Smith has proposed limiting child benefit to the first two children, though the chancellor is wary of this idea on the grounds that it suggests the state wants to discourage large families.

This is particularly hilarious because (while I would only limit child benefit for future children, you can't suddenly cut it from parents who rely on it already) it's such a lovely contradiction. If we're such a tiny little island we can't let anyone else in from outside / afford our welfare bill, why aren't we discouraging people from having children? Or is "spend within your means" only for the poor?

 

[Tak3n]

This is particularly hilarious because (while I would only limit child benefit for future children, you can't suddenly cut it from parents who rely on it already) it's such a lovely contradiction. If we're such a tiny little island we can't let anyone else in from outside / afford our welfare bill, why aren't we discouraging people from having children? Or is "spend within your means" only for the poor?

the report from the DWP suggested it was from now on i.e April 2016, not retrospectively, so would save 1BN per annum in the future

 

[CyclopsRock]

you see the major problem I have is exactly what this graph shows... the UK should get hardly any asylum seekers as our country would never be first to land, the rules are you claim asylum in the first safe country you reach.... yet look at the Cali there are thousands of Asylum seekers camped trying to get to the UK to claim Asylum....

these should be automatically rejected as they broke asylum rules

oh and Germany will start going right wing if they continue to get inundated

Heh, it's spelt Calais - I though you were talking about California for a second!

I thnk that one thing it should take into account is population density. England, for example (as opposed to the UK or, as it's labelled on that graph for some weird reason, Great Britain) has the highest population density in the EU (if you discount the joke countries).

 

[Jackpot]

that is exactly what they want rid of, so when someone kills someone who is not native to the UK and then claim human rights to stay in this country..these people should be deported, we even had one instance where someone won their human rights appeal because they had a cat!.....if you commit a crime serious enough to be jailed (and lord knows nowadays that has to be something bad) then you should be kicked out

no if's no but's

Did you really just cite a high-profile lie about the Human Rights act that was roundly mocked for being a Daily Mail-type fabrication?

How do people fall for this stuff? It was disproven near-instantaneously. What sources have you been reading that inform you of the claim but not the fallout?

What's the point of this?

If you're a new up-and-comer it's used as a reward, if you're experienced but not wanted in the cabinet (Ken Clarke) it's used to sideline you.

 

[PJV3]

Did you really just cite a high-profile lie about deportation that was roundly mocked for being a Daily Mail-type fabrication?

How do people fall for this stuff?

To be fair if something gets repeated enough, loudly enough then some people will get misled.

I know a couple of people who seriously believe that Birmingham had banned Christmas and renamed it Winterval. I had to show them a picture of the huge merry Christmas sign outside the town hall.

 

[Tak3n]

Did you really just cite a high-profile lie about the Human Rights act that was roundly mocked for being a Daily Mail-type fabrication?

How do people fall for this stuff? It was disproven near-instantaneously. What sources have you been reading that inform you of the claim but not the fallout?



If you're a new up-and-comer it's used as a reward, if you're experienced but not wanted in the cabinet (Ken Clarke) it's used to sideline you.

I will be honest I did not investigate it when I heard it, but you are referring to reverse psychology, repeat something enough and even mild mannered intelligent people will start to believe it

 

[Tak3n]

Conservative Lord on radio...

people use the Human Rights against the government constantly and it was never designed to do that

 

[Wrestlemania]

Conservative Lord on radio...

people use the Human Rights against the government constantly and it was never designed to do that

Isn't that exactly what it's designed for? To stop the government (and others) either contravening those rights or to give a basis on which to challenge them when they do?

 

[PJV3]

Isn't that exactly what it's designed for? To stop the government (and others) either contravening those rights or to give a basis on which to challenge them when they do?

Yeah, what else is it for.
Sorry about the frivolous cases obviously, but judges are usually sane and know what they're doing.

 

[Goodlife]

people use the Human Rights against the government constantly and it was never designed to do that

Uh? Of course it fucking is.

 

[Tak3n]

Isn't that exactly what it's designed for? To stop the government (and others) either contravening those rights or to give a basis on which to challenge them when they do?

he argues it was meant to be for both, and people then use it to affect whole communities for the worse

 

[PJV3]

he argues it was meant to be for both, and people then use it to affect whole communities for the worse

Did he give an example?
I can't think of something that has negatively affected me.

 

[Pyroclastic]

so who's getting involved in politics as a result of this past week?

I'm wavering on whether to join the lib dems. Before you all lol at me they're still the party that are closest to my views on things, and I think there's something exciting in trying to restore something and rebuild a party once more. I'm not sure I have the stomach to go canvassing or stuff like that though. I think I might just 'glory hunt' and join in 10 year when they're back to 30 seats or something

 

[sasliquid]

so who's getting involved in politics as a result of this past week?

I'm wavering on whether to join the lib dems. Before you all lol at me they're still the party that are closest to my views on things, and I think there's something exciting in trying to restore something and rebuild a party once more. I'm not sure I have the stomach to go canvassing or stuff like that though. I think I might just 'glory hunt' and join in 10 year when they're back to 30 seats or something

I joined the Green Party. Both close to my views and a party I could probly do something with career wise.

 

[Meadows]

I liked the Lib Dems before it was cool

 

[Tak3n]

Did he give an example?
I can't think of something that has negatively affected me.

nothing in particular, I will wait until the podcast is up and have a re listen

 

[RedSparrows]

That's the crux of the HRA. It's a measure of protection, in British courts, against the government. And now we see the Tories, traditionally the party who really cares about maintaining such a barrier between state and individual, wanting to scrap it off the back of a handful of cases.

Wait, this sounds familiar.

Of course, they maintain that their vague (atm) 'British' Bill of Rights will keep those protections (so why change it, huh?), but the HRA is already active in British courts - that's the reason it exists, asfaik - the ECHR rarely gets involved.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

I joined the Green Party. Both close to my views and a party I could probly do something with career wise.

When you join a party, what exactly does in entail with regards to your input?

Been seriously thinking of joining the greens as they are the party i would most like to support with regards to their policies but i dont really know what it means other than getting newsletters and paying your subscription.

 

[Pyroclastic]

I liked the Lib Dems before it was cool

I was 14 when they were cool