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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!

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IdreamofHIME

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Trying to get people to vote Tory in Scotland instead of SNP doesn't sound like tactical voting, it sounds like a waste of an afternoon.

QuicheFontaine said:
According to the Perth and North Perthshire wiki page, Labour aren't even fielding a candidate there. Is that right?
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So they're banking on their 7,000 supporters suddenly voting Con? and then a whole bunch more coming out for the Cons too?
lmao, it's like a scene from Thick of it.
 
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Yen

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What a weird front page (from the pro-Indy newspaper), [EDIT] I assume the middle subheading refers to the LD MP Alistair Carmichael, Scottish Sec of State.
 
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Yen said:
What a weird front page (from the pro-Indy newspaper), [EDIT] I assume the middle subheading refers to the LD MP Alistair Carmichael, Scottish Sec of State.
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Stop trying to make Scotland look like an I.

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That's such, such, such a weird thing to based a newspaper around. Not the "I" thing, I mean a specific policy position on one issue.
 
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I am 99% sure the "Labour activists in Perth campaigning for Tories" article is Telegraph bullshit again. Labour knows exactly how bad that would look.
 
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kmag

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CyclopsRock said:
Yeah, I dunno. I'd also expect Farron to win a leadership election but the Lib Dems are so weirdly democratic for a party that I'm not sure where Farron would get his authority from to negotiate. His role atm is more akin to what Shapps is for the Tories - a political prankster stiring up trouble on radio 4 and stirring up campaigners at dinners. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can see a lot od LDs having a problem with someone who isn't their leader negotiating them into another 5 years of voting for things they don't like (even if a LD party without the Orange Bookers are more naturally inclined towards labour).
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Farron isn't their chairman (President) any more, his term ended last year. The new President is Baroness Sal Brinton

Farron put some clear blue water between him in the leadership so he can pick up the pieces following the election. He doesn't want to be tarnished by this election.
 
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kmag said:
Farron isn't their chairman (President) any more, his term ended last year. The new President is Baroness Sal Brinton

Farron put some clear blue water between him in the leadership so he can pick up the pieces following the election. He doesn't want to be tarnished by this election.
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Aah, I didn't realise that. If anything, that lessens his authority come negotiations. I don't entirely know what I'm arguing for here, because the idea that the only way the Lib Dems could negotiate their way into a coalition is if Nick Clegg is leader seems silly, but at the same time I can't see the Lib Dems being as flexible as the Tories or even Labour in that sense.
 
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Yup, the Telegraph's article is bullshit. It takes like 2 mins cursory research to find out that Andrew Skinner is a member of United Against Separatism and is not officially affiliated with Labour.

Man, the Telegraph are in full meltdown right now.
 
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CyclopsRock

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Crab said:
Yup, the Telegraph's article is bullshit. It takes like 2 mins cursory research to find out that Andrew Skinner is a member of United Against Separatism and is not officially affiliated with Labour.

Man, the Telegraph are in full meltdown right now.
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Eh? It describes him as a "Labour supporter" and lists him as a member of United Against Separation. What bit's wrong?
 
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Crab said:
I am 99% sure the "Labour activists in Perth campaigning for Tories" article is Telegraph bullshit again. Labour knows exactly how bad that would look.
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Yeah if anybody directly connected Labour comes out saying tactically vote Tory, Scottish Labour is completely finished. Their only campaign slogan is Vote SNP, Get Tory (even though that makes absolutely no sense)

I still think the SNP will end up in the high 20's to mid 30's seat range rather than the 40 plus being predicted by some.
 
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CyclopsRock said:
Eh? It describes him as a "Labour supporter" and lists him as a member of United Against Separation. What bit's wrong?
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It's not the literal wording, it's the framing. Watch how they switch to Ricky Henderson half way through, as though he were associated with Skinner.
 
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Crab said:
It's not the literal wording, it's the framing. Watch how they switch to Ricky Henderson half way through, as though he were associated with Skinner.
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Hmm, yeah, but it does sound like you kinda didn't read the article. You say it took 2 minutes of searching on Google to find something they said in the article. I think you're reaching; It seems to me to be a pretty interesting - and accurate - indication of the level of tactical voting happening in an area with 4 parties.
 
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Yen said:
What a weird front page (from the pro-Indy newspaper), [EDIT] I assume the middle subheading refers to the LD MP Alistair Carmichael, Scottish Sec of State.
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The creepy janitor from Scooby Doo? Isn't the point that there are loads of different creepy janitors, not just one they keep meeting again and again. What a dumb thing to write.

It's pretty obvious she didn't say exactly what was written in the memo but given how that French consulate guy refused to deny it she clearly said she didn't think Miliband would make a good PM.
 
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Should be pointed out that the same Telegraph editor paid in the event of a No vote and who openly says he made false stories for Alistair Darling is also running tactical voting csmpaigns with his wife.

Right wingers wet dream IMO and shows the huge lack of understanding for many voters on the left.
 
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kmag said:
Yeah if anybody directly connected Labour comes out saying tactically vote Tory, Scottish Labour is completely finished. Their only campaign slogan is Vote SNP, Get Tory (even though that makes absolutely no sense)

I still think the SNP will end up in the high 20's to mid 30's seat range rather than the 40 plus being predicted by some.
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Did we forget about this already?

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Tony Blair currently speaking in Sedgefield talking about Europe and a referendum being a complete "gamble" against the countries future.
 
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Ushojax

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If Labour want to win this election the last thing they should do is wheel out a despicable human being like Tony Blair.

It didn't help Brown and it won't help Miliband. He should stick to cravenly lobbying for Azerbaijan et al rather than reminding UK voters what a cunt he is.
 
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Ushojax said:
If Labour want to win this election the last thing they should do is wheel out a despicable human being like Tony Blair.

It didn't help Brown and it won't help Miliband. He should stick to cravenly lobbying for Azerbaijan et al rather than reminding UK voters what a cunt he is.
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I sort of feel that although people who politics dislike him, and rightly so, I'm not sure how widely that sentiment is shared among the wider public. Rose-cunted glasses, to quote John Inverdale.
 
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DeFiBkIlLeR

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JonathanEx said:
I sort of feel that although people who politics dislike him, and rightly so, I'm not sure how widely that sentiment is shared among the wider public. Rose-cunted glasses, to quote John Inverdale.
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Amazing how the left despise him so much for one mistake, take that out of the equation and many good things happened under his leadership..relatively speaking.

Hell hath no fury like a fascist leftie betrayed.
 
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kmag

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In today's latest poll which tells us absolutely nowt's changed.

Populus

CON 31 (-1)
LAB 33 (-1)
LIB 10 (+1)
UKIP 15 (=)
GRN 4 (-1)
Fieldwork 2nd-6th
N=2,008

There was a YouGov Scottish only poll yesterday.

SNP 46%
Labour 29%
Con 16%
Lib 3%

Some movement from Con and Lib to Labour but all within the MOE. SNP unchanged.
 
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blair apparently still has a lot of sway with soft tories. that said i feel it might be a mistake to trot him out with the chilcot inquiry coming post-election
 
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QuicheFontaine said:
According to the Perth and North Perthshire wiki page, Labour aren't even fielding a candidate there. Is that right?
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Perthshire has traditionally been a Tory stronghold in Scotland, but since the 1990s it's gone over to the SNP in a big way. It's never been somewhere that Labour has had any influence.

Also, Dundee West's long-serving Labour MP stepped down from running in the election a few days ago, for "health reasons", leaving Labour scrambling for a new candidate. Well, I guess "slaughtered by the SNP" counts as a health reason.
 
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DeFiBkIlLeR said:
Amazing how the left despise him so much for one mistake, take that out of the equation and many good things happened under his leadership..relatively speaking.

Hell hath no fury like a fascist leftie betrayed.
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He failed to make a long term difference; Labour should and could have done a lot more in their time in government. Anyway Blair dodged the bullet with his resignation; most of his economic success was built on sand.

The Iraq issue is also not one mistake; it was built out of repeated mistakes as well as misleading much of his own party. He had a team around him who managed much of the domestic affairs; and the deficits prior to 2008 were very much results of war costings.
 
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Guerrillas in the Mist said:
Perthshire has traditionally been a Tory stronghold in Scotland, but since the 1990s it's gone over to the SNP in a big way. It's never been somewhere that Labour has had any influence.

Also, Dundee West's long-serving Labour MP stepped down from running in the election a few days ago, for "health reasons", leaving Labour scrambling for a new candidate. Well, I guess "slaughtered by the SNP" counts as a health reason.
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I still thought that Labour would at least have a candidate in every constituency though :-/

Maybe they're trying to save their deposit?
 
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Guerrillas in the Mist said:
Perthshire has traditionally been a Tory stronghold in Scotland, but since the 1990s it's gone over to the SNP in a big way. It's never been somewhere that Labour has had any influence.
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there will be a labour candidate but it'll be a paper candidate. it's one of those seats where the right facing tory opposition and left tory opposition in the seat coalesced to be a strong snp area, as indeed are almost all SNP constituencies up to this point.
 
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CyclopsRock

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QuicheFontaine said:
I still thought that Labour would at least have a candidate in every constituency though :-/

Maybe they're trying to save their deposit?
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I'm thinking that an enterprising local Labour party member could stand, take Blair's blood money £1,000 donation, literally do no campaigning, lose the £500 deposit and just pocket the rest.

Edit: Fuck it, I might do it. I'll stand in NI for Labour.
 
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Yen

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CyclopsRock said:
I'm thinking that an enterprising local Labour party member could stand, take Blair's blood money £1,000 donation, literally do no campaigning, lose the £500 deposit and just pocket the rest.

Edit: Fuck it, I might do it. I'll stand in NI for Labour.
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Labour don't allow candidates in NI :)
 
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Crab said:
Again, not from SLab or Lab HQ. The party constitution actually outright forbids advocating tactical voting.
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RedShift said:
But his Twitter avatar is a rose. Surely that makes it an official party position?
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Whilst he's obviously nowhere near Miliband or Murphy in the Labour rankings, he is (or after this gaffe maybe "was") the vice chairman of the East Lothian Constituency Labour Party and chair of the Tranent Local Labour Party. That and apparently a member of Labour's Scottish Policy Forum.

But in any regards, I found this tactical voting thing more "lol" than "outrage!".

Edit: Yes. "Was". He "resigned" after this. http://www.eastlothiancourier.com/n...uits-local-party-posts-over-vote-tory-tweet-/
 
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CyclopsRock said:
Blair probably doesn't know that. I have about 7 passports - £3,500, here I come!
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They're only for the 100 most marginal seats, so unless all of the parties who stood in that constituency for the last election decide not to contest, you'll be out £500.
 
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Ushojax

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DeFiBkIlLeR said:
Amazing how the left despise him so much for one mistake, take that out of the equation and many good things happened under his leadership..relatively speaking.

Hell hath no fury like a fascist leftie betrayed.
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One mistake?

Blair and his government completely fabricated the case for war with Iraq. His 'one mistake' destroyed millions of lives and gave birth to ISIS.
 
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Ushojax said:
One mistake?

Blair and his government completely fabricated the case for war with Iraq. His 'one mistake' destroyed millions of lives and gave birth to ISIS.
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The Syria civil war was more responsible for ISIS current relative strength than the Iraq war. I mean, ISIS's predecessor group was created in response to the coalition invasion of Iraq, but they spent the first eight years of existence as just another al-Qa'ida affiliate. The collapse of Syrian government control was what allowed them to grow; a war where the West definitely should have intervened.
 
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kmag

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Frankie Boyle (remember him?) take on the election campaign in Scotland. I wouldn't normally quote him but I found his description of the Scottish Labour campaign to be bang on the money.

They say that the older you get, the more conservative you become: perhaps that’s the reason there are no Tories in Scotland. Nicola Sturgeon has announced that she will freeze the retirement age at 65 as raising it would be unfair on Scottish people, who die younger. Iraq has a higher life expectancy than certain parts of Glasgow, and probably a better standard of football. I often wonder if the real reason the royals holiday in Balmoral is so they can use Scottish staff to teach their children about mortality, in the same way that you or I would let them have a hamster. “I’m afraid Old Jock’s dead son, but he was 35 … in Scottish years that’s two World Cup qualifications …”

The SNP are far from radical, but they do have a knack for producing the odd simple, progressive policy that’s hard to argue against. It has to be a vote-winner among Scottish people to announce that you will oppose the retirement age being raised to several years after they die. It must have been a strange journey for Sturgeon to have gone from relative obscurity in the substantial shadow of Alex Salmond to having the entire nation watch her exchange soundbites with a Labour leader who looks like a dream about a nose that has teeth. It feels almost as if the establishment is still assessing her. Which of the traditional tactics to employ: scorn or vilification? Do you call her the most dangerous woman in Britain or stage a smear where she’s a gossipy woman? Decisions, decisions.

There is still a note of muted horror in the English media about women leading political parties. People feel much more comfortable with the 50 Shades of Grey version of women’s liberation: possibly feeling life would be much simpler if the suffragettes hadn’t wanted the vote and just really enjoyed chaining themselves to railings.

In Scotland, Sturgeon’s opposition is Jim Murphy – a guy with the air of a harassed PE teacher. A man so far out of his depth he should be turning up for work on an inflatable banana. Anyone who describes anything as “a new low” in Scottish politics possibly just hasn’t been paying enough attention over the years but, even to a jaded post referendum electorate, Labour’s eagerness to spread the Telegraph’s smear must have been like being slapped around the face for two days with a cock made from lies. It’s worth remembering that the religious crosscurrents that helped Labour in the referendum (you know that thing we have every so often where two sets of fat people get together and sing about famine?) don’t apply here. Polls show a huge majority of Scottish people are against austerity.

Scottish Labour strategy can be broadly summarised as: get a bunch of stories that don’t really bear any scrutiny into the tabloids and hope that nobody in Scotland owns a computer. No doubt their postmodern relationship to truth would have been fine in simpler times when you yelled policies through a loudhailer from a moving car. They are doomed to lose heavily in what is, essentially, a campaign against Google.

It’s quite telling about our political climate that the establishment seem terrified of an SNP who, let’s remember, aren’t that progressive. They propose rejecting austerity in favour of a very modest spending increase and don’t think their country should be a nuclear missile base. This only seems radical if you’re a gibbering right-wing lunatic. It’s just unfortunate that so many of those people own newspapers.

Who wants to have to work past 65 anyway? I’m 42 and I feel terrible. Women now look at my naked body in the same fearful way that pensioners look at snow. White, forbidding, and – let’s be honest – it’s probably going to break your pelvis. Surely after 65 you should be free to potter around your shed not seeing enough of your grandkids and wishing that your mates weren’t dead? Taking pointless cruises where getting dinner is like going to a China Buffet King on roller skates. Feeling good about what you’ve done with your life, because you can no longer remember it.

Years ago those adverts for Scottish Widows that we thought were just a ridiculous excuse to show a beautiful young model in mourning were actually brutal realism. A 29-year-old Scottish widow isn’t fantasy, it’s a pretty decent plot point for a Ken Loach movie. I think the election is as good a time as any for Scottish people to ask if they are happy with this reality. I mean wouldn’t it be nice to live in a country where it was the people who broke the social contract by making people work longer that provoked press scrutiny? It might just be nice to live in a country where a politician got the same amount of coverage for a progressive announcement as for something they didn’t say. It might even be nice to live in a country where when people mentioned life expectancy, we were talking about the quality of life we expected rather than just the quantity.
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I'm watching and I'm not even Scottish. ;_;
 
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Oh fuck off Jim Murphy you awful twat. :/ Instead of trying to win votes on the back of technicalities like "largest party forms government", go out there and makes a principled case for why you're better than the SNP. I'm not even a nationalist but I wouldn't vote for a hack like you.

EDIT: Having said that, the presenter is totally feeding Sturgeon soft balls compared to the others.
 
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IdreamofHIME

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Fuck off Jim. Why should Sturgeon have to say she want Miliband as PM? Most of the Labour party don't want him as PM. The man is a poison chalice.
Her saying she doesn't want Cameron in No10 should be enough.
 
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IdreamofHIME said:
Fuck off Jim. Why should Sturgeon have to say she want Miliband as PM? Most of the Labour party don't want him as PM. The man is a poison chalice.
Her saying she doesn't want Cameron in No10 should be enough.
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Not true. He has majority approval from Labour voters.
 
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