May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!

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Guys, I'm a male living in London. I rent privately. I have two children who live with their mother (also in London) that I pay monthly maintenance to. Non car owner, non smoker. I drink alcohol. I work full time and fully support myself.

Who would you vote for if you were me?
 
Ninja Dom said:
Guys, I'm a male living in London. I rent privately. I have two children who live with their mother (also in London) that I pay monthly maintenance to. Non car owner, non smoker. I drink alcohol. I work full time and fully support myself.

Who would you vote for if you were me?
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SNP
 
Rahman was known for years to be dirty. He broke laws and subverted democracy. Whether his intentions for his community were noble or not, he has to face justice, and using ethnic and religious arguments to forestall that does nothing other than stoke resentment within the lunatic fringes making up the likes of UKIP.

There's no defending what he did, unless you want to live in a banana republic, because whilst the British political system is far from perfect, I'm not ready to tolerate third world populism and corruption, regardless of how lefty I might be.
 
Ninja Dom said:
Guys, I'm a male living in London. I rent privately. I have two children who live with their mother (also in London) that I pay monthly maintenance to. Non car owner, non smoker. I drink alcohol. I work full time and fully support myself.

Who would you vote for if you were me?
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Greens. Because they want to put in rent controls that will help you not get ripped off by your landlord.
 
great to hear about rahman

It's been hard to open an issue of Private Eye in the last without seeing him in the "rotten boroughs" section for a long time.
 
Billy_Pilgrim said:
Rahman was known for years to be dirty. He broke laws and subverted democracy. Whether his intentions for his community were noble or not, he has to face justice, and using ethnic and religious arguments to forestall that does nothing other than stoke resentment within the lunatic fringes making up the likes of UKIP.

There's no defending what he did, unless you want to live in a banana republic, because whilst the British political system is far from perfect, I'm not ready to tolerate third world populism and corruption, regardless of how lefty I might be.
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Lol, thanks for the laugh. You already tolerate all of the above, only it's people in more prominent positions of power that do, and get away with that stuff.

Companies with links to Tories ‘have won £1.5bn worth of NHS contracts’

Along with countless other examples irrespective of the party in question.

Let's not forget cases which are much worse, such as the heinous paedophilia rings involving many MP's, that has been covered up for decades.
 
nib95 said:
Lol, thanks for the laugh. You already tolerate all of the above, only it's people in more prominent positions of power that do, and get away with that stuff.

Companies with links to Tories ‘have won £1.5bn worth of NHS contracts’

Along with countless other examples irrespective of the party in question.

Let's not forget cases which are much worse, such as the heinous paedophilia rings involving many MP's, that has been covered up for decades.
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Where has anyone defended this? You are the one defending Rahman, and people are pointing out that he's corrupt as fuck. Party politics has nothing to do with it.
 
Ninja Dom said:
Guys, I'm a male living in London. I rent privately. I have two children who live with their mother (also in London) that I pay monthly maintenance to. Non car owner, non smoker. I drink alcohol. I work full time and fully support myself.

Who would you vote for if you were me?
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BoJo?

Jk.
 
nib95 said:
My point is, why should he himself be punished for idiot supporters? It's not like he himself ever instructed them to threaten anyone, nor is it even mentioned that he did. Simply that a few of his supporters resorted to such tactics, but I don't see why that is corruption pertaining directly to him. Hell if that was the defecto understanding, that the actions of your supporters etc were punishable all the way to the top, UKIP and Farage for example, would be run out of office. Hell I'm sure pretty much all the leaders and parties would.

Until we are given more specific examples that relate directly to him, I don't think it carries the weight it ought to. As I said before, the evidence and information that such conclusions have been drawn off of, seem loose at best.
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Well it's answering all these questions that's exactly what the court case was all about. I'm not sure what process you'd have preferred to have occured.
 
tomtom94 said:
Where has anyone defended this? You are the one defending Rahman, and people are pointing out that he's corrupt as fuck. Party politics has nothing to do with it.
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My response above was only regarding the not wanting corruption in the UK point. Eg highlighting the fact that there already is mass corruption and populism in politics, it's just higher ups doing and getting away with it.

I'm also not convinced on the Rahman thing. I feel like chunks of the media has been unfairly hounding and lambasting him for some time now, on stuff most politicians would be free of, whether it is because of his popularity, the tenacity of his supporters, his religion, race, political ideologies, re-allocation of funds to what others might class as minorities (even though they no longer are in Tower Hamlets), I have no idea. The court decision, and the vague nature of the conclusions, findings and evidence, is also not that surprising.

I look at corruption in politics much the way I do taxes and financing. It's not that the large corporations don't avoid taxes or skimp out on their dues, the same way many small businesses etc do, it's just that they're far more creative, and less blatant in the way they do it, and mostly covered for it when shit hits the fan, unlike the smaller businesses that often get the full brunt of repercussions. In this instance Rahman is the small business or sole trader, and his grass roots, more obvious musings have landed him in the shit, whereas the bigger fish (more prominent politicians or parties) will continue to do worse, and get away with it. But their top down strategy is generally more fool proof.
 
nib95 said:
Lol, thanks for the laugh. You already tolerate all of the above, only it's people in more prominent positions of power that do, and get away with that stuff.

Companies with links to Tories ‘have won £1.5bn worth of NHS contracts’

Along with countless other examples irrespective of the party in question.

Let's not forget cases which are much worse, such as the heinous paedophilia rings involving many MP's, that has been covered up for decades.
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Enough with the whataboutery. There are a world of differences between Tower Hamlet and government. As evil as the Tories are they do not send groups to intimidate voters with religious condemnation, and all of their indiscretions are perfectly legal (sad as it is).

I can understand that people feel that Rahman stood for them, but the problem is he trampled the rest in a way that has been left behind in the 19th century.

This was a vitally important healthcheck for local democracy in the UK and I'm very pleased that he has faced justice.

We're better than the likes of him.
 
Nib you're right a lot of the system is broken from the top down. But this was the right verdict, don't start doubting that.
I never want to see intimidation at my polling station ever again, it was disgusting.
 
jimbobsmells said:
Nib you're right a lot of the system is broken from the top down. But this was the right verdict, don't start doubting that.
I never want to see intimidation at my polling station ever again, it was disgusting.
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I say (with substantial evidence, ideally video) get those people who are/were doing that in court. I agree intimidation at polling stations is wholly unacceptable, but it should be the ones doing it who are punished, fined, or warned or whatever. I'm not sure the Mayor should be directly responsible for idiot supporters is all, unless he directly ordered or requested it. As I said earlier, it has never been suggested or evidenced that Rahman himself personally requested those people intimidate or abuse would be voters, not that I've seen or read any where anyway.
 
nib95 said:
I say (with substantial evidence, ideally video) get those people who are/were doing that in court. I agree intimidation at polling stations is wholly unacceptable, but it should be the ones doing it who are punished, fined, or warned or whatever. I'm not sure the Mayor should be directly responsible for idiot supporters is all. As I said earlier, it has never been suggested or evidenced that Rahman himself personally requested those people intimidate or abuse would be voters, not that I've seen or read any where anyway.
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A big part of the court hearing (and if you read/see the Judge's summary he touches on it) that the entire party is basically tendrils of LH himself. They weren't just a few over-zealous supporters.
 
Lol. Rahman's innocent!

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nib95 said:
Don't know about that mate, Tower Hamlets did very well under him. Certainly a big improvement compared to where it used to be. On a side note, some of the charges seem a bit hocus pocus to me either way. I mean, it's ok for the Tories to get 101 business leader's to sign a letter saying Labour would damage the economy and you should all vote Conservative, but when it's Luthfur Rahman getting a letter signed by 101 Imams saying something similar, it's suddenly an issue. Local restaurants handing out free food to would be supporters is him committing bribes? Some of his idiot supporters telling people they're un-Islamic for not voting for him is his fault too? I don't know, seems like this was all an inevitable and forgone conclusion.
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What on earth are you talking about. Completely ludicrous. The man and his cronies were unrepentantly corrupt, using their religion as means of deflecting criticism. They are scum and cannot be defended. Ludicrous.

He was found resoundingly guilt by a court of law. If you know anything that could indicate his innocence, you should send it to the authorities!

On the other hand all the news about the trial is fucking hilarious.

nib95 said:
I say (with substantial evidence, ideally video) get those people who are/were doing that in court. I agree intimidation at polling stations is wholly unacceptable, but it should be the ones doing it who are punished, fined, or warned or whatever. I'm not sure the Mayor should be directly responsible for idiot supporters is all, unless he directly ordered or requested it. As I said earlier, it has never been suggested or evidenced that Rahman himself personally requested those people intimidate or abuse would be voters, not that I've seen or read any where anyway.
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Clueless.
 
nib95 said:
I say (with substantial evidence, ideally video) get those people who are/were doing that in court. I agree intimidation at polling stations is wholly unacceptable, but it should be the ones doing it who are punished, fined, or warned or whatever. I'm not sure the Mayor should be directly responsible for idiot supporters is all, unless he directly ordered or requested it. As I said earlier, it has never been suggested or evidenced that Rahman himself personally requested those people intimidate or abuse would be voters, not that I've seen or read any where anyway.
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You quite clearly don't know anything about this. It's perfectly obvious that Rahman ran the show like a gangster and had minions doing his bidding.
 
Juicy Bob said:
So are those 'witnesses' going to be charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice?
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i'm not sure. They seem to basically be ignorant stooges.

Also...

Paragraph by paragraph, the #Rahman judgment is not only a goldmine, it is about as devastating as an election court decision can be.
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I'm looking forward to a few more pages like the above coming out. I mean, the whole document is public but it'll take some time for people to go through it.
 
kmag said:
Panelbase: (21/04-23/04)
LAB 34% (NC),
CON 31% (-2%),
UKIP 17% (+1),
LD 7% (-1),
GRN 4% (NC).

“@panelbase #GE2015 poll on way. LD narrowly preferred gov partner over SNP by LAB voters & preferred to UKIP by CON. Main figures shortly.”

UKIP too high, Tories too low would be my first reaction to that, still nothing out of kilter with the majority of other polls.
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The consistency of the labour figure across the majority of polls (33 to 34) must worry the tories. They simply aren't making a dent in the labour figures.
 
RetroDLC said:
Not everyone is in a situation where they can visit a polling station with ease. Students who have to study, people with multiple jobs, people who have to spend their mornings and evenings commuting, people who have to deal with the stresses of family and so on. Also, in order to vote by post you have to register by post, and I don't trust Royal Mail to reliably deliver letters half the time. More options making it easier for people to vote is a good thing with no downsides.

Edit: On a side note, it's going to take an hour or two of my day to visit the nearest polling station to me in Stevenage. If I have to work any freelance in London that day, I'm going to have to do it at 7am and deal with the queue of other early risers.
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I registered for my postal vote by email. I got the pdf from the government website, printed it out, signed it, scanned it (a photo will actually do), and emailed the result to the council.

If you're dead against that, though, the polls are open right up until 10pm I believe.

Or you can vote by proxy with another form available whereby you can allow someone else to indicate your choice for you.

I'm all for making it easy to vote, but there's a multitude of reasons why electronic voting, let alone online or mobile phone voting are at best many years away from being a secure and reliable method. Just this last week polling booths in the US were found to not have had security updates in a decade, and to have been using the WiFi password "password" or similar. If anything the vote should be put on a Friday, made into a bank holiday, voting made compulsory, and a "none of the above" box added to the ballot.
 
pulsemyne said:
The consistency of the labour figure across the majority of polls (33 to 34) must worry the tories. They simply aren't making a dent in the labour figures.
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I really wouldn't expect them to, it's part of what makes it difficult for the Tories. The Lib Dem vote has largely fled (or returned) to Labour. If Labour are around 33-34% a majority is hard sell for the Tories, doesn't mean they can't get power just means it's very difficult for them to get there by themselves. Of course in reality, over/under performance by either side in con/lab marginals will probably be the real determining factor.
 
A double yep to the above, and a reminder that postal voting has been going on since roughly the start of this week. That means even if there is some late swing, there are already votes in the system that won't be caught up in any last minute rallying of one party or another.

Roughly 1/5th of all votes were by post last time, rising to almost 1/3rd in "Labour" areas, and there's been a consistent increase in postal voting over the last few elections. So this is a serious chunk of the electorate that should be priced in to any consideration of polls going forwards.
 
Par Score said:
A double yep to the above, and a reminder that postal voting has been going on since roughly the start of this week. That means even if there is some late swing, there are already votes in the system that won't be caught up in any last minute rallying of one party or another.

Roughly 1/5th of all votes were by post last time, rising to almost 1/3rd in "Labour" areas, and there's been a consistent increase in postal voting over the last few elections. So this is a serious chunk of the electorate that should be priced in to any consideration of polls going forwards.
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Yeah, isn't there a rule where you have to ask people if they postal voted already? And if they say yes you can't poll them?

I vaguely remember this from the European election thread. Something about not being allowed to conduct 'exit polls' until the polling stations close.
 
Fuggit, I'm Labour, but this time I'm going to vote Green. They're the only ones in my constituency who are out doing the hard work and I'm buying into their utopian brand of politics.

They'll never get in in my area (Loughborough), but I'm hoping they might get a seat on the Storer Ward of the Council.

I think it's time to send a message - particularly as I expect another general election before July.
 
nib95 said:
But a re-allocation of budget to better aid the local make up, isn't necessarily automatic bribery.
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Impressive doublespeak, i'm in awe. It's gonna be fascinating times if the rest of the Bangladeshi community there think the same way you do.

Anyone with half a brain knows exactly what he was doing. And he got away with it for so long because he used to be a former Labour sepoy.
 
Clegg is on Last Leg again.

He said the reason is "I saw you had Piers Morgan on and thought finally that's a popularity contest I can win".
 
The DUP Health Minister Jim Wells said tonight at a husting that children brought up by gay people are "far more likely to be abused”. Not sure he's even standing for Westminster but it's worth posting if only for stating that these are the people who one of Labour or the Tories could be reliant on.
 
Crap load of polls, looks like Survation have a weird outlier or sampling issues as their numbers are a bit all over the shop (unless you think Labour and the Tories are tied in the north). ComRes is closer than it looks in terms of actual respondents, there's a lot of Labour voters rating themselves as 6s and 7s in likelihood to vote which tells a story about potential softness in the Labour ranks. ICM has also found similar.

Comres and YouGov are in the MOE.

YouGov/Sun poll tonight – Labour have a two-point lead: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

Latest ComRes poll:
CON – 36% (+2)
LAB – 32% (-1)
UKIP – 10% (-2)
LDEM – 8% (-4)

NEW: Survation/@DailyMirror (chg vs 17/04) CON 33% (-1); LAB 29% (-4); UKIP 18% (+1); LD 10% (+3); SNP 4% (NC); GRE 4% (+1); AP 1% (-1)

Farage up in South Thanet, Labour 1pt behind the Tories.

Survation. @Survation · 4m 4 minutes ago
NEW POLL:
South Thanet. Fieldwork April 22
Farage/UKIP 39%
Mackinlay/CON 30%
Scobie/LAB 26%
Driver/GRE 2%
Timpson/LD 2%
Others 1%
 
I went to the pub with some old school friends last night (a few cheeky pints in the ol' Barrowboy and Banker) and we ended up getting pretty ratted (I'm not feeling wonderful atm) and politics and the GE didn't come up once. The closest we got was talking about Russia and Putin but that was it.

Election fever has not yet hit.
 
Today is going to be fun.

Miliband is giving a speech on Tory foreign policy failure, stating that the international failure to stand by Libya after intervention is contributing to them migrant crises. The Tories sent Liz Truss out to be all offended that they dared bring this up as a point of criticism.

But we aren't talking about Scotland, which is good news for those who don't want a Tory government.
 
Anthony Cox @drarcox · 2h 2 hours ago
I must have missed his nation building speeches in relation to Libya as well.

That's basically how I feel about it. Miliband voted for it too, but what's he really trying to suggest he'd have done? Boots on the ground? I shouldn't think so. The strikes there were to stop people being slaughtered at Benghazi. What would he have done?

(Maybe we'll find out later. But... I doubt it.)
 
CyclopsRock said:
Anthony Cox @drarcox · 2h 2 hours ago
I must have missed his nation building speeches in relation to Libya as well.

That's basically how I feel about it. Miliband voted for it too, but what's he really trying to suggest he'd have done? Boots on the ground? I shouldn't think so. The strikes there were to stop people being slaughtered at Benghazi. What would he have done?

(Maybe we'll find out later. But... I doubt it.)
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Labour did raise these concerns
 
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