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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!

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Jezbollah

Jezbollah

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Billy_Pilgrim said:
Yougov have Labour up. The arithmetic hasn't changed at all really. Ed is still on course to be PM even if the Tories get a few more seats. They need a 10% swing.
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He'll be PM but there will be a large amount of political instability if he doesn't win more seats. That'll spook the markets too.
 
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Billy_Pilgrim

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Dan27 said:
He'll be PM but there will be a large amount of political instability if he doesn't win more seats. That'll spook the markets too.
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Financial Times not helping Dave. Business leaders are disappoint :(
 
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kmag

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Dan27 said:
He'll be PM but there will be a large amount of political instability if he doesn't win more seats. That'll spook the markets too.
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There's a good chance of instability either way at the minute. Any potential government looks pretty weak.

Talking of which there will be a few Tory strategists wanting to kill the head of HSBC today. His comments about looking at moving their HQ away from London in part due uncertainty over EU membership might grab the headlines over their English manifesto and continuing attempts to paint Miliband as a dangerous backstabbing unscrupulous naive weakling playboy billionaire.

The board has therefore now asked management to commence work to look at where the best place is for HSBC to be headquartered in this new environment ...
As we look forward, it is impossible not to reflect on the very broad range of uncertainties and challenges to be addressed in 2015 and beyond. Many of these are outside our control, particularly against a backdrop of patchy economic recovery and limited monetary and fiscal policy ammunition. They include:
• unexpected outcomes arising from current geopolitical tensions;
• eurozone membership uncertainties;
• political changes, currency and commodity price realignments;
• and interest rate moves and the effectiveness of central banks’ unconventional policies.
to name but a few.
All could materially affect economic conditions and confidence around investment and consumption decisions.
One economic uncertainty stands out, that of continuing UK membership of the EU. In February we published a major research study which concluded that working to complete the Single Market in services and reforming the EU to make it more competitive were far less risky than going it alone, given the importance of EU markets to British trade.
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phisheep

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nib95 said:
He put money in to things he thought it better served, some of those things I agreed with, some of them I didn't. But a re-allocation of budget to better aid the local make up, isn't necessarily automatic bribery. I would say that prior to his tenure, budget and funding wise, certain groups were under-represented in the borough, so it's not so much that he was corrupt in re allocation of funds, more so that it was a balancing act to better represent the needs of the local populace (which is increasingly made up of more South Asians and the religious alignments in question). It's just unlucky for him that he happens to himself fall in to that demographic.
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I've read the judgment. And some of the evidence. This is plain wrong.

Not corrupt in reallocation of funds? How about:

Giving large grants of public money to organisations that fail to meet the required quality criteria, that fail to meet the minimum threshold criteria, and even to organisations that have *not even applied for grants*. How about grants of public money to media organisations that support him?

Corrupt as hell.
 
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Miles Quaritch

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Mr. Luchador said:
It opens with 'Bring back the Death Penalty' and proclaims 'Enoch Powell was Right!' This lead to a brief moment of confusion as I wondered what the Grandfather of Scouts had to do with all of this.

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Not posting the images directly as... yuck.
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Jesus. Will they ever stop bringing up Enoch Powell?

And is British a race?

Billy_Pilgrim said:
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Financial Times not helping Dave. Business leaders are disappoint :(
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Oh, no! Opposition leader actually wants to be prime minister. Who would have thought!!!!
 
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kmag

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Ushojax said:
That's pathetic from HSBC, it really is.
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Not really they do a review of where they're head-quartered every 3 years. The Chairman was beset with questions from their shareholders by the lack of the review (the last one was in 2010).

What's he meant to do? Ignore what would be a significant issue for his business? Business doesn't stop just because there's an election on.
 
PJV3

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Ed Miliband says something obvious about Libya and the Tories react stupidly. We need to stop lobbing bombs at countries unless we're prepared to deal with the fall out.
 
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hohoXD123

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PJV3 said:
Ed Miliband says something obvious about Libya and the Tories react stupidly. We need to stop lobbing bombs at countries unless we're prepared to deal with the fall out.
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When attacking your opponent doesn't work you can always turn yourself into the victim through manufactured outrage, getting pretty desperate now.
 
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CyclopsRock

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Billy_Pilgrim said:
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Labour did raise these concerns
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Well, sort of. The Speccie have an interesting piece up this morning about how they've been banging this drum for some time, including this little bit:

What the Tories can’t say, because it would involve some public examination of their own record, is that Labour has been hopeless at scrutinising the government on foreign policy. It has barely talked about it in this parliament, save for departmental questions where shadow Foreign Office ministers must ask Foreign Office ministers about foreign affairs. Some Labour supporters have found two questions about Libya, one from Douglas Alexander, and another from Dan Jarvis, who has never held a foreign affairs brief but is just sensible and actually understands these things, as a former soldier. I could find you two questions from the Labour party on bees, bins or indeed bananas - but two questions do not a concerted opposition attack make. The party has offered very little in the way of speeches, debates using the time allocated to it, or PMQ attacks that focus on foreign policy, let alone specifically on the issue of post-conflict planning in Libya.

Sure, Labour is not the government, but it is Her Majesty’s Opposition, with a constitutional role to scrutinise what the government is doing and to pick apart its poor planning and silly decisions. That tends to happen outside of elections, not in the last two weeks of a campaign when some opportunistic strategist thinks there’s a weakness to be exploited.

It was almost surprising to read that Miliband thinks what he does about ‘the failure of post-conflict planning’ being obvious. He hasn’t made it obvious up to this point.
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kmag

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CyclopsRock said:
Well, sort of. The Speccie have an interesting piece up this morning about how they've been banging this drum for some time, including this little bit:
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Not really much of a practical defense from the Tories though is.

You didn't take the keys off us after the second glass of wine, so it's your fault we put the Merc into the wall.
 
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CyclopsRock

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kmag said:
Not really much of a practical defense from the Tories though is.

You didn't take the keys off us after the second glass of wine, so it's your fault we put the Merc into the wall.
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Heh, I think that's a bit of a hyperbolic comparison. This is all only coming to the fore because of the immigration issue. Assuming the argument being put forward isn't "Gaddafi kept the immigrants out of Italy", it's hard to approach the question without asking "Well, what would you have done?" Cameron didn't put the Merc into the wall, he conducted operations to stop a slaughter (actions Ed voted for). The Tories didn't cause Gaddafi, nor his overthrow, nor any post-strike activities by the Libyan Military or the revolutionaries. They "simply" stopped a slaughter with some strikes on tanks and enacting a no fly zone and naval blockage. You could - as the Spectator has - argue that we should do more to help, yeah. But that's almost entirely separate from our actual intervention there, which was limited and which was at any rate implementing a UN SC resolution. So if Ed's saying he's done it wrong, what was the right way to do it? What would Prime Minister Miliband have done? Foreign Policy is one of those things that's basically impossible to criticise without offering an alternative (unlike, say, criticising a new tax, where you could simply argue for the status quo).
 
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QuicheFontaine

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kmag said:
There's a good chance of instability either way at the minute. Any potential government looks pretty weak.

Talking of which there will be a few Tory strategists wanting to kill the head of HSBC today. His comments about looking at moving their HQ away from London in part due uncertainty over EU membership might grab the headlines over their English manifesto and continuing attempts to paint Miliband as a dangerous backstabbing unscrupulous naive weakling playboy billionaire.
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Ironman??
 
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kmag

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Dave looks like Death warmed up. Sounds like it too.

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The trowelled on make up actually makes him look worse.

I bet he's thinking a 6 week campaign was a bad idea now.
 
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Cyd0nia

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I want to see a Labour win even if it's tempered by coalition after the election. Their policies are better aligned to what I want to see.. but I just feel like milliband is becoming a bit of a PR snake - just like the Tories and just like his brother David. There are mounting things I wish he wouldn't have said, things I wish he would say, and times when he's sounded like a well practiced broken record. This is how you have to be in politics I guess but the Libya jabs today seem like a petty use of 20:20 hindsight.
 
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kmag

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Cyd0nia said:
I want to see a Labour win even if it's tempered by coalition after the election. Their policies are better aligned to what I want to see.. but I just feel like milliband is becoming a bit of a PR snake - just like the Tories and just like his brother David. There are mounting things I wish he wouldn't have said, things I wish he would say, and times when he's sounded like a well practiced broken record. This is how you have to be in politics I guess but the Libya jabs today seem like a petty use of 20:20 hindsight.
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Labour just borrowing the Lyntons dead cat stategy. Described by Boris as thus

"Let us suppose you are losing an argument," Boris Johnson wrote earlier this year.

"The facts are overwhelmingly against you, and the more people focus on the reality the worse it is for you and your case.

"Your best bet in these circumstances is to perform a manoeuvre that a great campaigner describes as 'throwing a dead cat on the table, mate'."

Going on to describe the manoeuvre he explains: "The key point, says my Australian friend, is that everyone will shout 'Jeez, mate, there’s a dead cat on the table!'; in other words they will be talking about the dead cat, the thing you want them to talk about, and they will not be talking about the issue that has been causing you so much grief."
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Tories were getting media traction on the subject of the SNP/Labour and it was crowding out the debate. So Labour pulled a dead cat out.

The Tories did the same with the non-dom tax.
 
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Prine

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jimbobsmells said:
Sorry but that Rahman verdict... Hahahahahahahaha the guy told me to 'fuck off' when I said I wouldn't vote for him so I could not be happier.
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Extraordinary story to be honest, i hope the Police begin investigating, id like to know how deep this corruption goes. Tower Hamlets receives one of the largest budgets in the uk, £1.3 billion and this slimy idiot was responsible for overseeing it.

Also rolling my eyes at the 'Racist' plea Lutfer is making, almost juvenile. He holds non of the virtues expected in a leader.

nib95 said:
My response above was only regarding the not wanting corruption in the UK point. Eg highlighting the fact that there already is mass corruption and populism in politics, it's just higher ups doing and getting away with it.

I'm also not convinced on the Rahman thing. I feel like chunks of the media has been unfairly hounding and lambasting him for some time now, on stuff most politicians would be free of, whether it is because of his popularity, the tenacity of his supporters, his religion, race, political ideologies, re-allocation of funds to what others might class as minorities (even though they no longer are in Tower Hamlets), I have no idea. The court decision, and the vague nature of the conclusions, findings and evidence, is also not that surprising.

I look at corruption in politics much the way I do taxes and financing. It's not that the large corporations don't avoid taxes or skimp out on their dues, the same way many small businesses etc do, it's just that they're far more creative, and less blatant in the way they do it, and mostly covered for it when shit hits the fan, unlike the smaller businesses that often get the full brunt of repercussions. In this instance Rahman is the small business or sole trader, and his grass roots, more obvious musings have landed him in the shit, whereas the bigger fish (more prominent politicians or parties) will continue to do worse, and get away with it. But their top down strategy is generally more fool proof.
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Come on nib, theres overwhelming eveidence of his abuse of power. The media got wind of this and rightfully exposed his practices but it was ordinary residents that stood against him and his might, why are you ignoring this? I understand he treated people from the Bengali community well but he stomped on everyone else to do so, he doesnt serve the community at large.
 
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kmag

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Hasney said:
If Tories win, Cameron isn't finishing the term is he? He just doesn't look or sound like someone who wants the job.
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He'd probably be done by the end of the year, even if he wanted to stay on, the backbenchers will not accept another coalition, and no one does a night of the long knives like the Tories.
 
PJV3

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QuicheFontaine said:
Nah, Ed is immune to interview questions.

"I think these strikes are wrong, at a time when negotiations are still ongoing..."
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If he says anything else then shit hits the fan, the joys of leading the labour party in the era of soundbites. At least you knew he thought the strikes were wrong at a time when negotiations were still ongoing.


I've read a few articles suggesting Cameron is tired of being PM and just wants to go on a high, it wouldn't surprise me much.
 
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QuicheFontaine

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PJV3 said:
If he says anything else then shit hits the fan, the joys of leading the labour party in the era of soundbites. At least you knew he thought the strikes were wrong at a time when negotiations were still ongoing.
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A fine thought to have. I disagreed with him, being in said strikes, but a perfectly reasonable opinion to have. The issue, though, was that the question (several of them) wasn't whether or not he thought the strikes were wrong at a time when negotiations were still ongoing. I don't think shit would have hit the fan if he'd just responded like a human being.
 
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Real Hero

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BBC News to Milliband 'Aren't you saying David Cameron has blood on his hands?'

They really want to turn this into a thing don't they
 
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King_Moc

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Real Hero said:
BBC News to Milliband 'Aren't you saying David Cameron has blood on his hands?'

They really want to turn this into a thing don't they
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Just because he thinks Cameron made the wrong call, doesn't mean he's calling him a murderer. There's very fine margins in some of these decisions. Odd line of questioning, especially from the 'lefty' BBC.
 
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Hasney

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King_Moc said:
Just because he thinks Cameron made the wrong call, doesn't mean he's calling him a murderer. There's very fine margins in some of these decisions. Odd line of questioning, especially from the 'lefty' BBC.
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It' seriously some of the worst election reporting I've seen this year, like BBC have seen Sky News get ratings so they try to be as incendiary as possible. If Ed had just said 'yes', they'd probably have raised the stakes even further with "There you have it, Ed Milliband thinks Cameron is capabel of genocide. Back to you in the studio/election pit of doom."
 
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Cyd0nia

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Hasney said:
It' seriously some of the worst election reporting I've seen this year, like BBC have seen Sky News get ratings so they try to be as incendiary as possible. If Ed had just said 'yes', they'd probably have raised the stakes even further with "There you have it, Ed Milliband thinks Cameron is capabel of genocide. Back to you in the studio/election pit of doom."
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Reporters for all news stations seem to be worryingly more American, in that they're tempted to 'make' the news rather than just report on it.

The BBC / police link up for Cliff Richards home invasion was disgustung.. but hey, perspective now. The beeb don't have Adam Boulton and Kay Burley. intervening inappropriately in debates, or informing people on air that their relatives are probably dead.. telling Occupy protesters they sound like "a bit of a knob".
 
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Walshicus

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Miles Quaritch said:
And is British a race?
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Ironically, "Britishness" is an identity that seems to have stronger support among immigrant groups anyway. I've mentioned before that the drive to integrate immigrant communities into a "British" identity rather than English or Scottish is a bad idea given the decline and minority of "Britishness".
 
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Sir Fragula said:
Ironically, "Britishness" is an identity that seems to have stronger support among immigrant groups anyway. I've mentioned before that the drive to integrate immigrant communities into a "British" identity rather than English or Scottish is a bad idea given the decline and minority of "Britishness".
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Uhhhhh... Britishness is a minority, but it certainly isn't in decline.
 
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mclem

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Billy_Pilgrim said:
Miliband is giving a speech on Tory foreign policy failure, stating that the international failure to stand by Libya after intervention is contributing to them migrant crises. The Tories sent Liz Truss out to be all offended that they dared bring this up as a point of criticism.
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I have *got* to stop reading that name and thinking "And then she'll correct his punctuation".
 
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Thornton Reed

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Hasney said:
If Tories win, Cameron isn't finishing the term is he? He just doesn't look or sound like someone who wants the job.
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i think he is looking and sounding tired.

if he gets in the knives will be out and i reckon after 2 years he will be gone.

The prospect of boris johnson being PM worries me
 
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dalin80

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Had a green party rep visit us at work today extolling her parties virtues blissfully unaware that the party wants to put us out of work entirely. She tried bless her, she tried.

I have election day off so I can follow this one properly for a change.
 
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Billy_Pilgrim

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Caleranatior said:
I would seriously consider firing whoever came up with this shit:

https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/591607938567032834
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The replies are fantastic.

In other bizzaro world news

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/24/labour-to-call-on-michael-heseltine-if-it-wins-election

Michael Heseltine, the former Conservative deputy prime minister who championed the regeneration of Britain’s inner cities in the 1980s, is being lined up by the shadow business secretary, Chuka Umunna, to advise Labour in government.

In a sign of how some Labour figures will try to revive the “big tent” approach of Tony Blair, Umunna described Heseltine as a “visionary” who could advise him on plans for the further devolution of power to the English cities and regions.
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