Alligatorjandro
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May: I will rip up human rights laws to tackle terrorism
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The Hamburglar
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Is this the best you can come up with, wow my human rights have been well and truly been stripped.
You're first link babbling about 800 years of history and links essentially links back to the wiki links you posted.
The worse you can come up with is the 14 day detention for terrorism linked activity. How often have British citizens been held in captivity for 14 days for something not related to terrorism?
If you can find the police regularly abusing this then you may have a point.
Air Zombie Meat
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imo part of it is that large parts of the electorate of both think too highly of themselves. Nationalism and the idea of exceptionalism which has served well at times is coming back to bite them in the ass.
Kill Your Masters
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Looking at this post and what is happening right now...what exactly would be Mays incentive to stop attacks? More attacks and less police pretty much is a winning recipe for her if people are willing to give up their rights.
At least her evil smirk is hidden behind the mask.
When were these pictures taken exactly?
cloudburst
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I totally understand that. I just think that given the context of this thread and the way it's being said, the word "cunt" comes off as incredibly sexist––regardless of how other cultures might use that word.
It's a horrible word but she is horrible enough to justify the use.
If it makes you feel any better Boris is a huge cunt too.
PS - they're also both huge dicks. I'm happy to call them huge dicks if that is more palatable.
this is called moving goalposts
I showed you a list of human rights being stripped (for example rights to protest, rights to a fair trial) and you're dismissing them for no reason other than your own stubborness
you can also look at the liberties we lost after two other major terror attacks and ask yourself if you feel any safer
cloudburst
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Dash_Riprock
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So V For Vendetta is now a documentary?
This sort of thing seems to happen a lot in the Commonwealth. In America we at least give a figleaf for human rights, and argue why our restrictions aren't *really* restrictions on human rights, while i've seen May and some of the Australian government just sort of demonize the very concept of human rights as dangerous or debilitating.
you have made a sterling contribution here
As a foreigner in the uk, i must say while the terrorist attacks are definitely awful and terrible, they haven't made me feel less safe and scared enough to leave and go back home.
However, May and her cronies going full ham and talking about striping civil rights and controlling the internet, while defunding the police, and the nhs and whatever else is there to defund, are making me seriously consider leaving as soon as my lease is over.
However, May and her cronies going full ham and talking about striping civil rights and controlling the internet, while defunding the police, and the nhs and whatever else is there to defund, are making me seriously consider leaving as soon as my lease is over.
MisterShine
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I'm genuinely shocked she said it aloud. I hope the British people toss her out on her ass.
May knows that the best way to prevent terrorist attacks it to take the same line as Corbyn, ie: increase basic, community level policing, intelligence gethering, and have the bodies in place to deal with intelligence once it's gathered.
Admitting this now will do two things:
1. It will say Corbyn is right.
2. It will force her to admit her cuts to intelligence and police were shortsighted and harmful, and she'll have to admit her role in the recent terror attacks.
If she does any of these things at this stage she's fucked. Her strong and stable message goes out the window and she will lose a lot of moderates and possibly even some of her hardcore base.
So the only thing she can do is appeal to the ignorance as she has been doing this entire campaign and hope it's enough to push back Corbyn's momentum and regain the majority.
She has no interest in the safety of our country or she would have listened to the police years ago when they told her the cuts she made put our country in danger. She toes the party line and does what she's told when the party requires her to do so. She doesn't have the integrity or voting/action history to actually stand up and make the right call because she's flip-flopped so many times.
All she can do is pick one line of attack and follow it religiously, and the /only/ line of attack she's had is ridicule Corbyn and appeal to ignorance.
She's a threat to democracy, national security, and a shill for the elite, and she always has been.
Air Zombie Meat
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:rollseyes
We're perfectly capable of being dreadful on our own without the russians being behind it.
31GhostsIV
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Here's our dear leader in action talking about the human rights act in her Home Secretary days... before Andrew Neil points out she's lying
https://twitter.com/Ali_8k/status/872196515279904769
https://twitter.com/Ali_8k/status/872196515279904769
ClayKavalier
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Damn, I thought the thread title was going to be an exaggeration of what she actually said.
She's going to win. Only question is, can she spew enough hate and bullshit to swing the majority.
She's desperate, and this vile action proves it.
I'm sure that poor researcher was part of a good shunting that evening
The Hamburglar
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It isn't called moving the goal posts.
I said show me a history of the tory's doing this since that is who was being discussed.
You show me a bunch of actions being taken by the labour government to combat terrorism.
By the nature of this thread it is clearly being implied the worst is going to happen, but so far we've got no evidence the worst is going to happen. If you consider up to 14 days without charge relating to terrorism, which has no signs of showing it being abused the worst? Then yes the sky is falling.
come on mate, sort yourself out
and then
and then the audacity to say
if it's not moving the goalposts, it's a chronic case of amnesia
Do you understand that the only way to truly combat terrorism is the long term stability of increasing fundamental police work and intelligence gathering?
Decreasing human rights of terrorists sounds good in theory, but to do so means you have to decrease the rights of everyone and that puts far too much power in the hands of a woman who has the voting/action history to prove she flip-flops when the party requires her too, has zero integrity, uses false/poorly vetted info to back up her actions, makes appeals to ignorance and hurls abuse in place of debating intelligently against policy, and has made huge mistakes which have hugely contributed to the recent terrorist attacks even though MI5 and the Police warned here this would happen years ago when she cut policing and intelligence and called their concerns "scare mongering".
And you think this person won't abuse the power abolishing the human rights act will afford her?
Mate...
SuperStiltzkin
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I am going to end terrorism. And to prove that to you, I'm going to rip this phone book in half.
CornBurrito
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Isn't it funny how Japan never really invaded the Middle East and subsequently doesn't have to real with radical Islamic terror it created/perpetuated?
The Hamburglar
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Well we were talking about the torys and instead of refuting me, you're focusing on something completely irrelevant.
Confirmed 14 days without charge that isn't being abused, end of the world. Uk governments can not be trusted with human rights, you've sure shown me.
Her supporters probably view it as beautifully poetic.
I couldn't care less about this 14 day distraction you're playing here, that is irrelevant. The premise was to show you a sequence of British losing rights in the last 50 years, as I quoted. Then after that you said "only Torys". What next, did you mean lunar years instead of vague years?
I posted this in the GE thread, so why not here?
A video has been leaked of May talking to her party after telling the press she'd abolish human rights.
A video has been leaked of May talking to her party after telling the press she'd abolish human rights.
We're talking about the same Japan that has about 1% of non-asian population, nevermind muslim population, right ? Really weird.
Psychotext
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Pretty much.
Lord Frieza
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I don't follow British politics closely, but this feels like a really stupid thing to say with elections coming up. I mean, it's one thing to do that stuff while saying you're not, but does saying it outright actually win you points?
Yes. Unfortunately.
Lord Frieza
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Well, damn.
Lord Frieza
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What are the polls looking like for the election? I seem to remember reading that May and the Tories were pretty down, but that's been a week or so ago.
Red Liquorice
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Of course she will, this is what they do. They were probably having draft speeches written like this whilst the news channels were still giving "unconfirmed reports of...." bulletins.
CadetMahoney
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Just another con. She was gonna introduce a British Bill of rights ANYWAY and explicitly said that before.
Plus it would be AFTER brexit, a few years from now lol. She'll say "we need time to sort it out" and then it will be all 2024. Hilarious.
Plus it would be AFTER brexit, a few years from now lol. She'll say "we need time to sort it out" and then it will be all 2024. Hilarious.
Theonik
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Hey guys, remember when the UK was proud of the rule of law?
Yeah about that.
All in favour of Tories. Possibility of no majority, but after May's bold move today she could swing it back in her favour.
All depends how much fervor she inspires, how much the headlines tomorrow rally the troops, how much the youth bother to vote.
It's not looking good if you're a Labour supporter, though.
I believe the final polling was around
43% Cons
36% Labour
8% LD
5% UKIP
With the knowledge that Tories are usually under estimated and Labour over.
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