Support NeoGAF

[Linkstrikesback]

Anyway, maybe I look like kind of a naive idiot right now, I dunno. As one of the few (admitted) Leavers on Gaf I feel the need to make it clear that this kind of talk really shocks and angers me, and it was not what I wanted at all.

Of course it does, most people are reasonable, good human beings.

The problem is the campaign (on both sides) were full of lies, and it required a lot of work (for a voter) to have any idea what you were actually voting for. I expect a lot of people had no idea what the people in charge had planned, and how could they? They've made it clear since the result that even the leave campaign leaders had no clue what they were going to do, because they campaigned on a lot of half truths (at best). Naive? Perhaps you are, but the politicians made it far harder than it should have been to actually be 'informed'.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

The party itself was split. The government - of which May was a part - officially campaigned to remain. That's why the Prime Minister felt he had to resign - he effectively "lost" the referendum.

Which makes her standing and being the favourite ridiculous
Cameron campaigned for all the same things as she did and quit because the country rejected it. For her to become the PM just puts them back where they were the morning after the Brexit result. A remain PM with a bankbench full of leave nutters.
I want remain, but her as PM will only cause more rifts in government and mean she has to cow tail to those morons.
Just look at gutless Boris today, hes getting the digs in easy from the shadows.

 

[Bobnob]

Wow mass deportations confirmed then

Businesses in UK will sure love it when parts of their workforce may just get deported

Never know, i might get a decent full time job instead of this zero hour nonsence i'm currently doing! #thingsarelookingup

 

[TatteredHat]

Yeah you do that, turn yourself into a villain in the eyes of the world. The EU will most likely offer Brits currently living on the mainland citizenships instead.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

You've always looked like a naive idiot about this issue, sorry.

Oof :-(

It's fucking outrageous and disgusting that it's even up for discussion. It very likely won't happen but the fact it's being used to play politics I find absolutely vile.

Agree with this. People shouldn't have to have this hanging over them for years. It's despicable.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Which makes her standing and being the favourite ridiculous
Cameron campaigned for all the same things as she did and quit because the country rejected it. For her to become the PM just puts them back where they were the morning after the Brexit result. A remain PM with a bankbench full of leave nutters.
I want remain, but her as PM will only cause more rifts in government and mean she has to cow tail to those morons.
Just look at gutless Boris today, hes getting the digs in easy from the shadows.

Well, she has to come in the top 2 of a poll of Conservative MPs and then win a mandate from the party members for that to happen first.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

The EU position here should just be passive and reciprocal:
Let the UK decide on that matter.

If they choose to let EU citizens living there to stay, so be it. And if they decide EU citizens should be deported the EU should do the same with UK citizens. And do it in the most humane way possible to soften the blow to those people (they're not just numbers), but doing it after all.

Why should the EU stoop down to this Brexit level?

 

[inoperativ]

Why should the EU stoop down to this Brexit level?

Exactly. They would offer all UK citizens indefinite leave and in some cases probably the chance to take up a dual citizenship.

 

[nOoblet16]

This is why I don't want May as the PM. As a non EU migrant I know that she is the devil's spawn...now everyone else will realise that.

It's one thing to stop further freedom of movement but it is absolutely nuts that EU citizens who already are here might get deported. I understand that non EU citizens have to go through immigration and they get deported when they don't have the right to stay in the country, but it's not the same thing with EU citizens.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Why should the EU stoop down to this Brexit level?

EU should offer dual citizenship to UK workers living in EU countries, get them experts and skilled workers to stay.

 

[Uzzy]

Feel free to show me where forced repatriation was ruled out during any of the Leave campaigns vague statements about reducing immigration.

Show me where the leave campaign talked about forced repatriation. Because the only person talking about it was officially for remain.

Either way, it's a monstrous suggestion and Cameron should move to guarantee the rights of any EU or non-EU citizen currently residing in the UK.

 

[ultratruman]

Oof :-(

not even having a dig mate, just the truth. We're all fucked, my family is fucked, people I know have had internships in the EU cancelled and researchers at my uni have been asked to remove their name from papers. The pound has collapsed so my parent's pension will be worth about 10% less, we're heading for a contraction of at least 1% vs 2% growth (momentum that will take much longer to recover), Juncker finished because of this and the dream of a functional, federalist Europe has been betrayed on the anniversary of the bloodiest and most pointless battles in human history. Our imminent PM is a proto-fascist and the opposition party is being held hostage by an incompetent bearded clown.

The only light at the end of the tunnel is this vote triggers a dismembering of the UK as a project, and Scotland can get shot of English buffoons who have bought so heavily into the phoney sobriety of the reactionary right. Judging by the immediate spinning up of Project Fear 3.0 in Scotland and memories from 2014, I'm quite convinced it's just another train coming.

 

[PdotMichael]

Oh no! We are forced to take our skilled and well educated people back!

Thinking things through isn't really a thing in the UK anymore.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Show me where the leave campaign talked about forced repatriation. Because the only person talking about it was officially for remain.

Either way, it's a monstrous suggestion and Cameron should move to guarantee the rights of any EU or non-EU citizen currently residing in the UK.

How can he? He's gone in 2 months. His promises mean absolutely zilch right now, which must be a pretty lovely position for him, personally. I'd be taking military jets to the corner shop.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Well, she has to come in the top 2 of a poll of Conservative MPs and then win a mandate from the party members for that to happen first.

Which she will win, but Cameron had a signed letter of support too. That doesn't keep crazies like Bone or Rees-Mogg under control, it just gives the power to them. They'll much prefer that over one of their own being PM and getting shot down by the more central Tories.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Which she will win, but Cameron had a signed letter of support too. That doesn't keep crazies like Bone or Rees-Mogg under control, it just gives the power to them. They'll much prefer that over one of their own being PM and getting shot down by the more central Tories.

Maybe, but that's an internal party decision tbh. If the MPs select her as one of the top two contenders, and then the membership vote for her as leader of the party, that's their prerogative, whatever the outcome. If they're that dissatisfied with her being a Remain PM, I doubt they'll do it. If they do, I imagine they don't think it's such a big deal, especially since she's promised to actually, like, leave.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Oh no! We are forced to take our skilled and well educated people back!

Thinking things through isn't really a thing in the UK anymore.

I despise Theresa May, but she has put more thought into it than you think. Her chief opponent has made the opposite statement, that they will not be used to negotiate. It is a power play, showing her hand as being willing to use leverage for the best deal.

I assure you it was well thought through.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

What a stupid thing to say. As mentioned already in the thread, this is a bluff and she should absolutely be called out on it. After the past week of rising racist abuse and nationalistic chest beating across the country, it's not the kind of bluff she should be making. Irresponsible as fuck.

On a side note, this woman is an absolute maniac and I'm saddened that she's likely going to be the next PM.

 

[daviyoung]

well yes, this is the whole "go back to where you came from" mantra that the referendum was sailing on

 

[kmag]

I despise Theresa May, but she has put more thought into it than you think. Her chief opponent has made the opposite statement, that they will not be used to negotiate. It is a power play, showing her hand as being willing to use leverage for the best deal.

I assure you it was well thought through.

Looks like it's backfired a bit as she universally got a kicking in Parliament today. If it's her and Leadsom, Leadsom will win despite her having no track record, being universally derided as a bit thick by the civil servants in the treasury

We'll end up Leadsom as PM and IDS as Chancellor.

 

[Goodlife]

Looks like it's backfired a bit as she universally got a kicking in Parliament today. If it's her and Leadsom, Leadsom will win despite her having no track record, being universally derided as a bit thick by the civil servants in the treasury

We'll end up Leadsom as PM and IDS as Chancellor.

Only good thing about that is that it won't last.

May is by all accounts, a bit of a cunt, but I reckon she'd be a strong pm (not rating here politics here).

Leadsom is just, well, shit

 

[SporeCrawler]

You're not being rude, don't worry about that!

There's a huge difference between changing the UK's immigration system and forcing people already here onto planes and boats. I thought I was voting for the former. This was never on the table!

It was implied. If you regard peole as a number or as an object you can throw out you cant act surprised if they actually do it

 

[blazinglord]

Only good thing about that is that it won't last.

May is by all accounts, a bit of a cunt, but I reckon she'd be a strong pm (not rating here politics here).

Leadsom is just, well, shit

Interesting article about May that was pulled from The Telegraph after pressure from the May campaign.

I thought the same, that May would awful for social liberties but probably be an efficient negotiator for Britain. However, I am not so sure now after reading that article.

If Gove can't win, then perhaps Leadsom would be better...

 

[KimonoNoNo]

We could put them in camps with all the other fugees.

Good god our country's politicians make me sick to my stomach.

 

[Beefy]

Interesting article about May that was pulled from The Telegraph after pressure from the May campaign.

I thought the same, that May would awful for social liberties but probably be an efficient negotiator for Britain. However, I am not so sure now after reading that article.

If Gove can't win, then perhaps Leadsom would be better...

Leadsom are you sure?

 

[blazinglord]

Leadsom are you sure?

Why not? I'd rather a dense politician in number 10 than one with authoritarian tendencies who has suddenly made the unthinkable, thinkable - i.e. repatriation.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Looks like it's backfired a bit as she universally got a kicking in Parliament today. If it's her and Leadsom, Leadsom will win despite her having no track record, being universally derided as a bit thick by the civil servants in the treasury

We'll end up Leadsom as PM and IDS as Chancellor.

Leadsom has a lot more support than I expected, but May is still trouncing her by all accounts with in house votes. It's really up to who members want more now, and conservatives launching a new comer to the throne is not very, well, conservative. May will take the position almost certainly. As much as I loathe her, I can at least respect her ability. She knows her trade very well, and is someone that has the trust of people to actually lead a party. I would rather gouge out my own eyes than ever vote for her in an election of any kind, but given the two I would have to be blind.

 

[Beefy]

Why not? I'd rather a dense politician in number 10 than one with authoritarian tendencies who has suddenly made the unthinkable, thinkable - i.e. repatriation.

Both scare the shit out of me. Leadsom couldn't even vote for gay marriage as she is deeply religious. Her talking about ticking both boxes because she believes "gay love exists" but doesn't believe it is right because god says so You know she is mad. She has also said there will be no freedom of movement.

Then saying Brexit will make Britain great again...

 

[BigAl1992]

not even having a dig mate, just the truth. We're all fucked, my family is fucked, people I know have had internships in the EU cancelled and researchers at my uni have been asked to remove their name from papers. The pound has collapsed so my parent's pension will be worth about 10% less, we're heading for a contraction of at least 1% vs 2% growth (momentum that will take much longer to recover), Juncker finished because of this and the dream of a functional, federalist Europe has been betrayed on the anniversary of the bloodiest and most pointless battles in human history. Our imminent PM is a proto-fascist and the opposition party is being held hostage by an incompetent bearded clown.

The only light at the end of the tunnel is this vote triggers a dismembering of the UK as a project, and Scotland can get shot of English buffoons who have bought so heavily into the phoney sobriety of the reactionary right. Judging by the immediate spinning up of Project Fear 3.0 in Scotland and memories from 2014, I'm quite convinced it's just another train coming.

Oh my god. Mate, is that real? If so, I feel so bad for you loot right now, and this is coming from an Irishman.

 

[blazinglord]

Both scare the shit out of me. Leadsom couldn't even vote for gay marriage as she is deeply religious. Her talking about ticking both boxes because she believes "gay love exists" but doesn't believe it is right because god says so You know she is mad.

Then our best bet is that Michael Gove becomes PM. He defied conservative whip under previous conservative leaders to vote in favour of gay liberalisation laws. However, as a gay man, I am not too concerned Leadsom's lukewarm views on homosexuality. I feel that British society has moved on so much, that yeah there is still prejudice, but generally stuff like gay marriage is pretty much a case closed situation. I note that nobody has actually suggested repealing gay marriage legislation. Having said that, I didn't foresee a policy of repatriation become a real possibility in 21st century Britain either and I wouldn't put it past Liam Fox to moot it. Dreadful man. I find it incredible that a medical doctor is anti-abortion.

Then saying Brexit will make Britain great again...

Did she really say it like that? I love it. She's emulating Trump!

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

Good god our country's politicians make me sick to my stomach.

I have felt like this for a few days. I am actually terrified this could become a thing.

 

[Aters]

Why so many Brits live in Spain?

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

Why so many Brits live in Spain?

Retirees who want some Sun.

 

[mrklaw]

Why so many Brits live in Spain?

its warm and they do a nice egg and chips.

 

[SneakyStephan]

The EU position here should just be passive and reciprocal:
Let the UK decide on that matter.

If they choose to let EU citizens living there to stay, so be it. And if they decide EU citizens should be deported the EU should do the same with UK citizens. And do it in the most humane way possible to soften the blow to those people (they're not just numbers), but doing it after all.

What good does deporting UK citizens do?

I don't want my country to deport UK people who live here. They've done nothing wrong and don't deserve to get thrown under the bus over political games

 

[kiunchbb]

Am I the only one reading this as UK might use deportation as bargaining chip when negotiating with the EU for trading deals?

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Am I the only one reading this as UK might use deportation as bargaining chip when negotiating with the EU for trading deals?

The two front runners have positioned themselves at either end. May is doing this, Leadsom is not.

 

[Vastag]

She also wants to repeal the ECHR and introduce a malleable 'British Bill of Rights' so as to trample on everyone's human rights.

Understandable, who knows which evil european drafted the European Convention on Human Rights, she have to take the country back.

 

[Kathian]

The main news makes Hammond and May look pretty terrible. Farage resigns and is clearly backing them remaining.

Own goal in Leadsoms favour.

I mean you sit down with the EU and declare your going to send all their migrants home, even if they send back all the expats - it's not in our interests to send back EU workers.

Not to mention it's harder for us to do than Europe. In the end we want then to stay; we don't want them to go so why theyre a pawn I have no idea.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Ship'em all out! Embrace the xeno! Cheer Trump!

 

[Gurgelhals]

Am I the only one reading this as UK might use deportation as bargaining chip when negotiating with the EU for trading deals?

The EU would just be like:

Seriously, UK politics has turned into a total clown show (although one on the Pennywise end of the clown spectrum), but expect shit to *really* hit the fan if they try to pull that card in their talks with the remaining EU member states.

 

[ShutEye]

Just wait til the recession actually hits with layoffs in a couple months and the right wing attempts to find somebody to blame.

I'm an immigrant to the UK, my girlfriend is an EU immigrant to the UK. Plenty of friends are EU or otherwise and everybody is basically already planning exit strategies. The brain drain is going to happen regardless.

 

[popo]

I am a Remainer, but to play devils advocate.

The EU has not come out and said that Brits in EU countries can stay either.

In fact, nobody has guaranteed anything, other than the EU will not open negotiations until article 50 is invoked. Until any agreement is ratified anything and everything is on the table and declaring anything absolute now only weakens your negotiating position.

Both the EU countries and the UK will want to protect those living and working abroad, so it is almost certain that an agreement will be made on this. In fact I can see free movement in return for access to the common market anyway, which makes it all moot.

Nobody is accusing the EU of holding Brits living abroad as hostages,

 

[Stallion Dan]

Just being said so we don't get an extra shitload try and run through the gate before it closes.

 

[Joni]

The EU has not come out and said that Brits in EU countries can stay either.

The european countries are however handing out a lot of citizinship forms.

 

[Meadows]

I am a Remainer, but to play devils advocate.

The EU has not come out and said that Brits in EU countries can stay either.

In fact, nobody has guaranteed anything, other than the EU will not open negotiations until article 50 is invoked. Until any agreement is ratified anything and everything is on the table and declaring anything absolute now only weakens your negotiating position.

Both the EU countries and the UK will want to protect those living and working abroad, so it is almost certain that an agreement will be made on this. In fact I can see free movement in return for access to the common market anyway, which makes it all moot.

Nobody is accusing the EU of holding Brits living abroad as hostages,

.

 

[Guy.brush]

Just being said so we don't get an extra shitload try and run through the gate before it closes.

Dat language..

 

[LewieP]

Show me where the leave campaign talked about forced repatriation. Because the only person talking about it was officially for remain.

Either way, it's a monstrous suggestion and Cameron should move to guarantee the rights of any EU or non-EU citizen currently residing in the UK.

Leave voters threw their support behind vague anti-immigrant sentiments, and that's what we're now getting from the government. It's pretty simple.

 

[Joni]

Leave voters through their support behind vague anti-immigrant sentiments, and that's what we're now getting from the government. It's pretty simple.

No, the campaign was about state rights. Where did you hear this silly thing about stopping foreigners getting in?

 

[KingSnake]

I am a Remainer, but to play devils advocate.

The EU has not come out and said that Brits in EU countries can stay either.

In fact, nobody has guaranteed anything, other than the EU will not open negotiations until article 50 is invoked. Until any agreement is ratified anything and everything is on the table and declaring anything absolute now only weakens your negotiating position.

Both the EU countries and the UK will want to protect those living and working abroad, so it is almost certain that an agreement will be made on this. In fact I can see free movement in return for access to the common market anyway, which makes it all moot.

Nobody is accusing the EU of holding Brits living abroad as hostages,

.

There were several officials from EU countries with statements regarding protecting the Britons in their countries, even with offers to make some of them citizens.

And the point is not even that. The attitude towards the problem is the issue here.

The point is that UK officials have publicly declared that they plan to use the EU people as a bargain chip. Practically holding them to ransom. Which is a behaviour of a hostage taker or a terrorist.