CadetMahoney
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I don't envision any future where they can deport people who have permanent residency or indefinite leave to remain. IOW people who are "settled" which is a big requirement before naturalisation/citizenship.
May warns future of EU citizens in the UK is uncertain, deportations could happen
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Prospective Prime Minister Teresa May can envision such a future.
~What she said “What's important is there will be a negotiation here as to how we deal with that issue of people who are already here and who have established life here and Brits who have established a life in other countries within the European Union.
“The position at the moment is as it has been, there's no change at the moment, but of course we have to factor that into negotiations.”
~GAF's reaction 'What a swivelled eyed nazi cunt! A country full of racists and scum, she back tracked on this after campaigning to leave. This is just terrorism, there should be no negotiations! I'm sick to my stomach of this country wanting lock people into cages and set-up concentration camps!!!!!'
Yep, par for the course of melodrama, over reactions and to put it nicely 'distortion' of the truth that have thrived on here the past couple of weeks.
“The position at the moment is as it has been, there's no change at the moment, but of course we have to factor that into negotiations.”
~GAF's reaction 'What a swivelled eyed nazi cunt! A country full of racists and scum, she back tracked on this after campaigning to leave. This is just terrorism, there should be no negotiations! I'm sick to my stomach of this country wanting lock people into cages and set-up concentration camps!!!!!'
Yep, par for the course of melodrama, over reactions and to put it nicely 'distortion' of the truth that have thrived on here the past couple of weeks.
Aaronology
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Horrible post, really. You don't even recognize the irony in attempting to call out others for "melodrama" while wildly misrepresenting the sentiments expressed in this thread. OP's title is, "May warns future of EU citizens in the UK is uncertain, deportations could happen." That seems to be a fairly accurate paraphrase of May's remarks.
Misrepresenting? Every statement was taken from an actual post in here, posts that in themselves misrepresent what was actually said. The title may be accurate but after that its gone quickly downhill.
Aaronology
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So, let's be clear. You believe individual posts in this thread you've quoted are indicative of the overall sentiment of this forum as a whole.
Ok.
Do you then also feel the many individual acts of racism in the UK over the last week represent the Leave vote or the country as a single body?
Don't use hyperbole like 'concentration camps' unless you really mean it.
It's you over exaggerating, not the other people in the thread.
Time to stop posting friend.
jmvmadeira
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20 years living in the UK. English wife and children, one of them with double nationality. And i find myself looking at a permanent residency form, that may, or not, allow me to continue living and working on the place i call home.
It is astonishing, that the people my taxes pay to rule this country, can be so careless with the lives of millions of people. This is not just about the EU nationals living in the UK. This is also about UK nationals living in Europe. Even if this gutter rethoric goes no further than the political bravado, to a very toxic minority, it will given them a sense of justification for open racism and xenophobia. Not only in the UK, but all around Europe.
What are they going to do? Separate families were one spouse is a foreigner?
Make us all get that country nationality?
Because that will make me "insert country you live in" national?
And if it comes to fruition, what then? Cant stay here, and if the other EU countries follow suit, my wife and kids cant go there.
This would make the Current refugee crisis look like a walk in the park in comparison
I really feel we regressed 70 years in the past....
It is astonishing, that the people my taxes pay to rule this country, can be so careless with the lives of millions of people. This is not just about the EU nationals living in the UK. This is also about UK nationals living in Europe. Even if this gutter rethoric goes no further than the political bravado, to a very toxic minority, it will given them a sense of justification for open racism and xenophobia. Not only in the UK, but all around Europe.
What are they going to do? Separate families were one spouse is a foreigner?
Make us all get that country nationality?
Because that will make me "insert country you live in" national?
And if it comes to fruition, what then? Cant stay here, and if the other EU countries follow suit, my wife and kids cant go there.
This would make the Current refugee crisis look like a walk in the park in comparison
I really feel we regressed 70 years in the past....
I'm sure tons of people want to run through your gate into the upcoming recession, the dismantling of social services in search for austerity measures, and the already prevalent racism and hate crimes against anyone who isnt "proper English"
I just had an awful thought that you're not realizing what is going on right now.
There's some small villages in France that only survived because British people were the only one willing to live there.
If we kick them out, it's going to be massively cheap to live there...
I'm so happy I didn't end up living in the UK like I wanted a few years ago!
And considering that you couldn't confuse me with a proper briton in a million year...
I would have preferred living in the slums than stay there.
If we kick them out, it's going to be massively cheap to live there...
I'm so happy I didn't end up living in the UK like I wanted a few years ago!
And considering that you couldn't confuse me with a proper briton in a million year...
I would have preferred living in the slums than stay there.
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Indeed, there is plenty of us EU citizens who are willingly leaving for those very reasons.
EU citizens have alternative places to go to. Whereas you're going to be stuck as a Briton in the mess that is about to unravel.
CyclopsRock
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I know this goes well beyond your situation, but you'd be able to stay here whatever happens if you're married to a British person.
No way will the EU deport anyone from the UK. They'll welcome them. Especially the young and educated.
Funky Papa
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The whole situation could have been so easily addressed:
"We appreciate the numerous contributions of foreign citizens living in the UK and we symphatize with them. The government will now focus their efforts on achieving the best possible deal the United Kingdom, taking into full consideration the well being of all the people living in it.
We kindly ask for their patience as we venture into uncharted waters, not without reassuring our commitment to protect the means and well being of the population".
Simple enough, although probably too humane for May.
"We appreciate the numerous contributions of foreign citizens living in the UK and we symphatize with them. The government will now focus their efforts on achieving the best possible deal the United Kingdom, taking into full consideration the well being of all the people living in it.
We kindly ask for their patience as we venture into uncharted waters, not without reassuring our commitment to protect the means and well being of the population".
Simple enough, although probably too humane for May.
I scroll down and the comments are about Sharia law, the fuck
BibiMaghoo
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This does not adequately demonstrate that you are willing to use people as leverage for a better deal for the country. Quite the opposite, it demonstrates that you are prepared to give way on other issues to ensure this comes to pass. It is immensely shitty politics, but par for the course for May.
Kill Your Masters
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Absolutely disgusting, basically leaving all immigrants in the UK in doubt and uncertainty for possibly years to come about their future and lives.
Add to that the 48% that didnt want this clusterfuck, and you have half a country basically being mindfucked for years. I cant imagine how that must feel.
Add to that the 48% that didnt want this clusterfuck, and you have half a country basically being mindfucked for years. I cant imagine how that must feel.
May definitely seems like the worst of a bad bunch, the racists will love having someone like her as PM.
7 out of 10 Tories appears to back her position, though she did say she's also doing this to prevent a swarm of filthy EU immigrants coming here while they still can, or probably something to that effect
https://mobile.twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/750235987050131456
7 out of 10 Tories appears to back her position, though she did say she's also doing this to prevent a swarm of filthy EU immigrants coming here while they still can, or probably something to that effect
https://mobile.twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/750235987050131456
Man, Scotland has proven over and over again (since their own referendum) that they are so far ahead of England, it is not even funny. It's their time to build a wall to keep the barbarians from the south out.
Hadrian's Wall 2: Electric Boogaloo
Monty Mole
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Oh the hysteria! May is just being honest. Leadsom and Gove are being dishonest.
None of them can make any guarantees - how can they? They haven't given a cut-off date or any terms. Without a cut-off date and terms, then it's a free-for-all for people to come to the UK during the transitional period and then be able to stay forever. [Would they then get a British passport!? And endless visa? How would it even work?] It's not like Leadsom and Gove has said all EU nationals living in the UK up until a specific date, or under any terms or guidelines.
And what if the EU refuses to let British migrants stay in other EU countries regardless? Then we have a one-sided situation. The reason May wants to use it as a negotiating card is to ensure British migrants can stay in other EU countries. This works both ways.
Of course, it could be much easier, and they could just scrap the referendum results and let us stay in the EU. But anyone who thought that leaving the EU wasn't going to put migrants - on both sides - in jeopardy, was kidding themselves. It sucks, but 52% of the electorate are muppets who voted for this nonsense. And May was a remainer, so she's got no subconscious agenda to push out migrants here.
None of them can make any guarantees - how can they? They haven't given a cut-off date or any terms. Without a cut-off date and terms, then it's a free-for-all for people to come to the UK during the transitional period and then be able to stay forever. [Would they then get a British passport!? And endless visa? How would it even work?] It's not like Leadsom and Gove has said all EU nationals living in the UK up until a specific date, or under any terms or guidelines.
And what if the EU refuses to let British migrants stay in other EU countries regardless? Then we have a one-sided situation. The reason May wants to use it as a negotiating card is to ensure British migrants can stay in other EU countries. This works both ways.
Of course, it could be much easier, and they could just scrap the referendum results and let us stay in the EU. But anyone who thought that leaving the EU wasn't going to put migrants - on both sides - in jeopardy, was kidding themselves. It sucks, but 52% of the electorate are muppets who voted for this nonsense. And May was a remainer, so she's got no subconscious agenda to push out migrants here.
Well, Sturgeon is actually saying what Gove and Leadsom are saying - and I think it's sadly dishonest. None of them can make any promises when Article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet, never mind the negotiations. Yes, they can make their intentions and beliefs clear, but they cannot make promises. And Sturgeon can't make up the rules - Scotland is still part of the UK and she's can't just keep pretending that isn't the case. She'll need to have another referendum if she wants anything else, but even then there's no guarantee how long it'll taken to become an EU member as an independent Scotland. So again, she cannot make these promises.
I don't get the argument "Well May's just putting everything on the table to improve the UK's position." No she's not. I mean, if anything can be put on the table, why not say "You know what, we could also just seize all belongings of those then-illegal immigrants." That's not improving your position, that's worsening it. It's extremely easy for the EU to just say "Well if you want to be arseholes, go on, we don't." That's it.
England turned super fascist huh
Monty Mole
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jmvmadeira
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When people become pawns on power plays, i don't trust any polititian, not even to whipe their own arses.
The rethoric is getting beyond ridiculous. I was stupified during the campaing itself with all the lies on both sides. Now, now im just worried. Not a good place to be.
BibiMaghoo
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It's not an argument, it is political maneuvering.
Candidate 1 : Vote for me! I will ensure EU citizens get to stay as leverage with the EU.
Candidate 2 : Vote for me! I will ensure nothing to EU citizens, as leverage with the EU.
Obviously not 'anything' can be put on the table, that is daft as your example, but these are legitimate positions and are being used to shape the candidates.
Principate
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Come on now, there weren't half as many lies on the remain side as there were on leave. Most of the economic forewarning, came out true, whereas the leave were stating outright blatant lies and xenophobia, it wasn't exactly difficult to see what they were posturing, This both sides were just as bad hogwash simply sounds like a poor attempt to allieviate blame. They weren't just as bad, almost all bar one leave leader bar one has resigned, and they have renaged on almost all of their promises, do you really think they same would have happened had remain one.
Linkstrikesback
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Hey, just to be clear, I'm incredibly pro remain, like most people who work in universities, and think this whole mess should never have happened. I just don't want to get banned a second time for stating my opinions too strongly on the subject, to the point where I accidentally crossed the line and started insulting people, hence the massively dialed back post you quoted.
CyclopsRock
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Well, quite easily. At the moment we cease to be within the EU, the visa status of EU citizens is entirely within our control. Ergo, we can do anything. We could give everyone living here with a passport from an EU country indefinite leave to remain if we wanted to. This isn't about what we can to, it's about what's desirable (to various people in various situations - ie what's desirable to EU nationals living in the UK might not be what's desirable to May as a Conservative party leader candidate, or May as someone negotiating with the EU etc).
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