Ugh. Don't want to go to work today, guys.But can't miss it due to money and really needing to be there today and tomorrow.
Would Crazzy Steve go to work? No, he wouldn't! Because he is Crazzy!
I think you know what you have to do.
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Would Crazzy Steve go to work? No, he wouldn't! Because he is Crazzy!
I think you know what you have to do.
The talent doesn't matter. The booking does. The booking got worse, the storylines got worse.
Storylines have pretty much gone in favor of gimmicks, "here is the guy that comes out with his cellphone aimed at his face." "here is the guy that does flips." "here is the guy that's french." "here is the guy that stays hyped." They used to do 3 matches per show and made them count and on occasion had a show that had more matches or a jobber squash match to introduce a new guy, currently most shows have up to 5 matches and the quality has taken a drop as a result.
Their biggest mistake is they used to have one, or maybe two if it was a guy and a girl coming down from the main roster to put a NXT talent over. Since they tape in blocks of 4 shows, that meant a few backstage appearances and one match in those four weeks. Instead now, main roster stars constantly pop up and have matches and even worse, win matches over the regular talent. The next live show's two main title matches have two main roster people in it, sure they will lose those bouts (At least, one of them will, the other one could transition into an NXT talent I suppose), but to me that's not beneficial to the program or the talent.
I guess I agree with everything there.
But you're on the internet. If it's not great, then it is dogshit. No inbetween.
It's also necessary so he won't die, his missile dropkick is ridiculous
His style is pretty toned down from his indie days already. All he really needs to cut back on is the diving headbutt and doing the suicide dive every match.
He might have to lose the belly-to-back from the top rope too...? :-(
I wish WWE had the Japanese style booking where they do like, what, 4-7 matches a month so it allows them to work harder, longer matches instead of having to work week after week of the same spots in a much quicker bout. I'd probably get more into it if it was like that.
Or just have an off season.
Or just have an off season.
Opus Angelorum
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Went to the WW Revenge show last night in Belfast, fantastic!
Loved the Wyatt family, their ring entrance was hypnotising,
Loved the Wyatt family, their ring entrance was hypnotising,
Which he doesn't do regularly anyway and is a move that really shouldn't be done as it is brutal on both guys, way more than a normal superplex. Scott Hall called it the career killer/shortener when he was doing the move as Razor, because it's brutal.
It's genius. None of them are any good, but marks will come and laugh at their stupid jokes anyways, so it doesn't matter. It's basically a meet and greet but where the wrestler can pretend they're a comedian.
Just do a fucking q&a.
I don't mind him losing the headbutt, missile dropkick, and suicide dive. I'm most worried about whether he'll still be allowed to do bridging moves.
On the upside, he could whip out his amazing submission game from the indies.
Razor switched it out for the super fallaway if I remember correctly? Although he was still partial to the standard one...
Oooh just found JBL doing one:
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Just cancel that preorder and wait for Ubi Bomba pricing. They won't run out of copies, I assure you.
A guy named Rob Naylor was involved as Dusty's assistant. Notice how when he left the storyline quality fell. Not a coincidence. Ryan Katz (the Wrestling Society X ring announcer) replaced him and I read some accusations of him being responsible for coming up with the "cute" gimmicks we're seeing now.
WWE crowds? Probably. Here is how I see his revamped arsenal.
-Yes kicks
-chops and punches
-Irish whips
-turnbuckle runs and smashes
-MMA elbows (gonna need to bring them back)
-drop toe hold into Yes lock
-running knee
Not a lot there without his big 3 impact moves, but enough to keep him popular. He'll probably incorporate a new/old move or three too. Or just become more of a brawler like Austin, but with a better striking game.
Are there any top rope moves that don't kill your back or neck? Splashes? Sentons?
HHH to investors: "We will make less money, but at least our workers will be healthy and the quality of the product will be better overall, it may translate into long term gains, but anyway, it is the more humane choice"
Investors: "Hu...ma... Lon... you care confusing us there. So, we'll be losing money?"
HHH: "Yeah, but the talent will be able to actually see their kids grow and finally break the cycle of absent parents being the norm in wrestling families"
Investors: "Look, I don't know what is this 'Family' thing you're talking about, are we going to make more money or not?"
Nice. Sad. But nice.
I wish Naylor posted in WrassleGAF. Besides his now insider status, the dude is THE MOST positive guy about wrasslin I've ever seen. He was a blast on DVDVR/CZW Fans. He seemed like such a great dude, and then he got to work with DUSTY RHODES and NORMAN SMILEY. The internet smark's American dream.
Ugh that's exactly how it would go
I think he can make submission moves work. He would 100% make it work with a good commentary team explaining why what he does is something that actually hurts people, but he can still keep working on the fast-paced striking things and so some flashy submissions. I mean, he does know a lot of flashy submissions. I don't know why he stopped doing... that thing where he would... man, I can't even describe it. Wow, ok, my skill with the english language is not enough to describe D-Bry's submission.
What a frustrating feeling.
Edit: It's like, urgh, he would step into an opponent leg and then... do something... and the guy would be on top, like, on the air looking up. Wow. Ok, I am awful.
Edit 2: He could do a dropping elbow so the cycle can complete DB -> EY -> DB.
Could do a two-footed stomp, but that sorta overlaps with Cesaro, and Devitt favours it too?
Jerry "The King" Lawler Diving Fist Drop it is then...
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lol @ irish whips on the list.
Bryan essentially has to work UWFi style matches now and nothing will kill his popularity with the marks faster than UWFi style.
I disagree completely. Slick submissions and stiff looking strikes will get just about anyone over, especially when he's the only guy doing it, and he's already super duper over to begin with. When his popularity really started taking off, he was doing much more strike heavy offense and it was dope.
Naylor left in summer 2013, before the Performance Center opened. NXT didn't have a drop in quality until around last Christmas. These latest tapings have been a return to form so far, the best since probably November.
I actually don't like his kicks when the opponent is sitting; having the guy being street-fighter-esque dizzy while on his knees so Daniel Bryan can kick him in the chest always looked weird to me.
But I was being a hipster like y'all and watching some japanese stuff and they do a lot of cool looking stuff just with stiff strikes. He could 100% go that route. He keeps talking about his time in Japan (way more than he talks about his time in RoH, which I guess it is to add mystique to the character).
I can see Bryan knocking fast dudes out with chops. And I can see him kocking big dudes with stiff kicks. And then he can make people of all sizes tap out with a cool looking submission.
But I was being a hipster like y'all and watching some japanese stuff and they do a lot of cool looking stuff just with stiff strikes. He could 100% go that route. He keeps talking about his time in Japan (way more than he talks about his time in RoH, which I guess it is to add mystique to the character).
I can see Bryan knocking fast dudes out with chops. And I can see him kocking big dudes with stiff kicks. And then he can make people of all sizes tap out with a cool looking submission.
Hopefully this means an immediate return of the falling elbows
Oh, goddamn, and he has the guy in a leg lock, too. Do this to a really hated heel and people will go crazy.
it's not a heel move if we really want to see the other guy getting hurt.
The thing with Japanese wrestlers when they do the kicks to the seated opponent thing, it's supposed to be a taunt. It's taunting the other opponent to get up. If you watch Hayato vs Kenou, Hayato does it to Kenou who gets up and snapmares him and does it to him then snapmares Kenou and does it to him until they start slapping the shit out of each other. It's not like the Davey Richards 'I'm so cool look how cool I am' move that guys like that think it is.
And WWE problem with 'stiff kicking' guys is they barely ever kick each other in the head. Which is supposed to be your goal. And the few times Punk did it, he could barely get his leg high enough to hit them without stumbling afterwards.
I love the 'guy getting up and gets kicked in the head' spot so much. It's probably my favorite strike spot in wrestling.
And WWE problem with 'stiff kicking' guys is they barely ever kick each other in the head. Which is supposed to be your goal. And the few times Punk did it, he could barely get his leg high enough to hit them without stumbling afterwards.
I love the 'guy getting up and gets kicked in the head' spot so much. It's probably my favorite strike spot in wrestling.
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I, myself, literally haven't seen Bret Hart smile in over a decade.
I was going to say "but his neck, he can't--" and then realized it's the other guy who is getting kicked.
So, sure. The great part of that spot really is the final kick in the head (back of the neck actually, maybe). I just don't like that the move is always done in to an opponent who is dizzy in a way that they never get dizzy otherwise.
He talked on Jericho's podcast that he actually trained kickboxing (or jiu jitsu?) because of WWE. I wonder if he can't really go for more of a shoot style, not so much as to make Lambda like him, but enough to make his kicks look like something he can bust out at anytime to create some damage without it being a finisher or anything. Just an impact that can come out of nowhere.
So, sure. The great part of that spot really is the final kick in the head (back of the neck actually, maybe). I just don't like that the move is always done in to an opponent who is dizzy in a way that they never get dizzy otherwise.
He talked on Jericho's podcast that he actually trained kickboxing (or jiu jitsu?) because of WWE. I wonder if he can't really go for more of a shoot style, not so much as to make Lambda like him, but enough to make his kicks look like something he can bust out at anytime to create some damage without it being a finisher or anything. Just an impact that can come out of nowhere.
Conrad Link
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Daniel Bryan's birthday is the same day as mine and my GF's anniversary. It must be meant to be!
Happy birthday champ. <3
Happy birthday champ. <3
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The gimmicks in NxT are not the issue. The booking is horrendous. Also, Mojo does not need to be featured every week.
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The gimmicks are the issue.
What's Tyler Breeze's motivation for fighting in WWE? The guy is a famous fashion model, why would he be fighting at all and risking his face and livelihood? Did they ever explain this?