wild wild rice
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I sat almost in that exact spot during their show in Dec. View was shite, still had fun.
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May Wrasslin' |OT| May I Fancy You To A Nice Arse Whipping?
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I sat almost in that exact spot during their show in Dec. View was shite, still had fun.
BewareTheBatsie
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I think Enzo is actually a good seller and bumper. The only thing he's really good for in the ring.
And he still wrestles like he's only been in the business six months.
But Bray.
TarpitCarnivore
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E&C were in NXT for four years and you'd have no idea it was that long
Nocturnowl
Member
But Bray.
He was already dead, plus Kane put him over when he came to the main roster.
BewareTheBatsie
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but kane beat him last year at backlash
Nocturnowl
Member
....there was a backlash last year?!
BewareTheBatsie
Member
The first brand split SD PPV.
Since Orton had a concussion from Brock elbowing his head in, his match with Bray at Backlash got changed to Bray vs Kane No DQ. Orton came in at the end and RKO'd Bray so Kane could get the pin.
Nocturnowl
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Oh yeah, good times!
serenewarfare
Banned
The problem with the PC is, and always will be, that they teach everyone one way to work and tell them it's the only right way to do it. Even NJPW with a great dojo system knows that guys need to go elsewhere and learn different styles so they can find what they work with the best.
The best version of the PC is a place where they hire veterans from every type of style and division of wrestling in the world, and have the guys and girls there learn a little bit of everything, then focus down on whatever niche each individual excels at.
The best version of the PC is a place where they hire veterans from every type of style and division of wrestling in the world, and have the guys and girls there learn a little bit of everything, then focus down on whatever niche each individual excels at.
British Monsoon
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I'm not saying he hasn't made stars, and the fact that he's done a better job of it than the main roster (and books better than the main roster) isn't in the least bit surprising really, is it? My issue is with the idea that he should be fucking applauded for poaching obvious talent, or the insinuation that the places said talent came from somehow dropped the ball because they were incapable of elevating their stars to the levels Triple H has with NXT.
I'd say there's an argument to be made that (for homegrown talent) WWE should really consider using the NJPW 'learning excursion' idea. 4 years in the performance centre and they're still the shits.
He's not even that 😂
TarpitCarnivore
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I would say Norman Smiley and Adam Bloom are two different styles...
Is this where NJPW guys end up in CMLL or AAA then return?
serenewarfare
Banned
I'm hopeful that this whole "WWE territories" thing they are doing (starting with the UK) can eventually become excursion destinations. Like guys spend time in NXT US, then a year in NXT UK or NXT Japan for instance.
I'm not arguing that Triple H is some wrestling savant we should all be thankful for.
But the idea that he doesn't know what he's doing or that he deserves zero credit for what NXT is is fucking laughable.
I'm not arguing that Triple H is some wrestling savant we should all be thankful for.
But the idea that he doesn't know what he's doing or that he deserves zero credit for what NXT is is fucking laughable.
TarpitCarnivore
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You could argue that Dusty was a more significant role since he was responsible for all the mic work and character stuff.
BewareTheBatsie
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Failure Five Time.
1. Dolph Ziggler.
2. Enzo Amore.
3. Big Cass.
4. TJ Perkins.
5. Seth Rollins.
1. Dolph Ziggler.
2. Enzo Amore.
3. Big Cass.
4. TJ Perkins.
5. Seth Rollins.
serenewarfare
Banned
But again, Dusty was in that role because Triple H wanted him there. And you could argue that it's an obvious choice, but it was still a decision he made. Same with Sara Amato and the women.
TarpitCarnivore
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1. Enzo
2. Cass
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3. TJ Perkins
4. Brian Kendrick
5. Apollo Crew
6. Carmella
BewareTheBatsie
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This Tino Sabbatelli guy looks like Vince's next dream.
Edit: Not Carmella.
Edit: Not Carmella.
Nocturnowl
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I think the Colons/Shining Stars/Matadors/whatever the fuck they are currently have my top "change the channel" heat, they've been around for freaking years and have never done anything remotely interesting.
As for people actually getting pushed, I'm dreading more Mojo in my future.
As for people actually getting pushed, I'm dreading more Mojo in my future.
RecRoulette
Member
Do I root for Kane in 2015 or should I be upset that these two old lads beat my boy Bray?
This feud cemented the "Bray will always be garbage mindset" I have.
He "stole their power" for like an hour, it wasn't even a full episode.
Mojo and Gronk..
Nocturnowl
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As a fellow Brit I hope you were with me wondering "who the fuck is Gronk?!"
I wish that security lady had just been allowed to sit his arse down.
TarpitCarnivore
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We all said that Bayley was going to be their new Hogan or Cena, but it's really going to be Mojo
RecRoulette
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1. Dolph Ziggler
2. Enzo
3. Cass
4. Brian Kendrick
5. Bray Wyatt
There are a ton of guys that just don't register for me (Apollo, The Shining Stars, Cody Rhodes), but my top 5 are dudes that make me want to stop watching whatever it is I'm watching.
Dolph Ziggler gets #1 because he's made me not care about Nakamura's match, which is a hell of an achievement.
2. Enzo
3. Cass
4. Brian Kendrick
5. Bray Wyatt
There are a ton of guys that just don't register for me (Apollo, The Shining Stars, Cody Rhodes), but my top 5 are dudes that make me want to stop watching whatever it is I'm watching.
Dolph Ziggler gets #1 because he's made me not care about Nakamura's match, which is a hell of an achievement.
Nocturnowl
Member
That segment with the kids on Smackdown man, not even Cena ever had stuff that corny.
I'm beginning to fear a Mojo main event future.
serenewarfare
Banned
I think tonight we'll get a very good idea on the future of Io Shirai. She's defending the Red Belt against Toni Storm. I think if she drops it, it might be a sign that she's leaving Stardom or they think she's leaving. If she wins, I think it's basically guaranteed she's staying for the foreseeable future.
Conversely, I don't think Storm is long for Stardom if she loses. Hell, I don't know if she's long for it even if she wins.
Conversely, I don't think Storm is long for Stardom if she loses. Hell, I don't know if she's long for it even if she wins.
RecRoulette
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Bayley's just going to be generic babyface 38, right behind Sasha Banks.
Mojo's on some next level shit with his children's tours. That's something completely out of the blue.
I watch NFL, so know him pretty well. Guy is just as annoying as Mojo.
SallyIsNow
Banned
Did it ever not?
TarpitCarnivore
Member
It's coming brother. We're bringing back vitamins and prayers!
slightconfuse
Banned
BewareTheBatsie
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I wish winning the Andre Memorial knitted the winner more then just a shitty looking trophy. It's like with the King of the Ring in recent years. All the winner got was the chance to call himself a king and act like royalty.
At being a American footballer, not being a wrestler
If she signs then NXT women's roster will be really stacked with all these new women that signed reporting and the debuts of upcoming talent like Lacey Evans, Bianca, Daria, Mandy and Dobson.
Nocturnowl
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An unexpected twist!
At least some of us were in the loop then.
Mojo dance gif to be the next Hulk posedown phenomenon.
Harry Styles would roll him up.
Honestly i can see that happening, gronk is pretty stupid when he's not playing football
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
That is what it is always been though. Cole would mention it here and there but it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
British Monsoon
Member
Yep, it dates back to the origins of wrestling in Japan - Rikidozan had to go to the US to learn his craft, then brought it back to Japan. When he trained Baba and Inoki, he sent them to the US as well and when Baba and Inoki started AJPW and NJPW they both continued sending trainees abroad.
Students usually have 3-4 years in the dojo before being sent out on excursion. When they return, they're finally allowed a gimmick and a character. Traditionally, big guys would be sent to the US or continental Europe (back when the Catch Wrestling Association was still a thing), while smaller wrestlers would be sent to the UK, Mexico or Canada.
I can see WWE signing him and then him getting suspended for drinking to celebrate the signing.
You mean Vince
To me, one of the biggest flaws of the performance center and NXT as a place to train wrestlers for the main roster, is that they should be teaching people the basics and fundamentals of working a match and getting over with a crowd. They should not be developing the character that they are going to debut on the main roster. There are a few exceptions, but by and large, going to the main roster should be a reset button.
Otherwise you get Emma coming out with a stupid dance and no one understands why or what about it makes her in any way endearing. The RAW and Smackdown audiences don't have the context of the entire build of the character, so they're left scratching their heads as to why they should care.
The three most successful guys to come out of NXT came to WWE as a stable, and their characters had absolutely no tie to what they did on NXT. No one gave a shit about Big E until people watched him develop a character in New Day.
Otherwise you get Emma coming out with a stupid dance and no one understands why or what about it makes her in any way endearing. The RAW and Smackdown audiences don't have the context of the entire build of the character, so they're left scratching their heads as to why they should care.
The three most successful guys to come out of NXT came to WWE as a stable, and their characters had absolutely no tie to what they did on NXT. No one gave a shit about Big E until people watched him develop a character in New Day.
Not only Vince since I'd imagine other higher-ups like Stephanie have an amount of veto power over their characters. Somehow the most hated heel in the company was positioned as the patron of the "Divas Revolution". Then they wasted months to bump AJ Lee out the record books for a soon-to-be retired championship.
I really hated the Divas Revolution.