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Toki767

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SparkleMotion said:
Even when Roman Reigns has a good match, a lot of people here do Chinese Olympic gymnast level gymnastics to avoid saying anything good about him.
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Match wise, Reigns is very timely in hitting all his spots. He's never out of place and he's never really botched anything.

That said, if you don't think AJ carried him in that match, you're blind.
 
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wild wild rice

Member
SparkleMotion said:
Even when Roman Reigns has a good match, a lot of people here do Chinese Olympic gymnast level gymnastics to avoid saying anything good about him.
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He didn't botch anything and stood where he was supposed to stand. Not sure that really deserves praise. Nothing he did elevated the match.

It was probably AJ's best match since coming to WWE that I can think of, but Roman had almost nothing to do with that. It could have been Braun fucking Strowman instead of Reigns and not much would have changed.

I do believe Reigns has his place in the wrestling world, I'm not calling him 100% shit or anything.
 
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pantsattack

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FlammableD said:
Independent contractors and all that.


PWG Prince card looks pretty good, though I'm not a fan of the Brits facing each other again

Michael Elgin vs Zack Sabre, Jr. - PWG World Title
Dalton Castle vs Adam Cole
Drew Galloway vs Brian Cage
"Mr. Athletic" Jeff Cobb (Matanza Cueto) vs Chris Hero
Mark Andrews vs Marty Scurll
Sami Callihan vs Roderick Strong
Andrew Everett vs Trevor Lee
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I like this card a lot apart from Callihan and Strong. I don't care for either of them. I saw Callihan had a match vs Pentagon Jr. What a weird thing.
 
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Deleted member 47027

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Sephzilla said:
I'm more inclined to say it was AJ carrying Roman than any kind of joint effort. Roman wasn't doing anything different or new that he doesn't do in his more mediocre outings.

EDIT - To say something positive, however, this match did a good job of hiding Roman's weaknesses.
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SparkleMotion said:
Even when Roman Reigns has a good match, a lot of people here do Chinese Olympic gymnast level gymnastics to avoid saying anything good about him.
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Yeah. Begs the question - what is the actual problem with Roman Reigns?
 
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jmdajr

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wild wild rice said:
He didn't botch anything and stood where he was supposed to stand. Not sure that really deserves praise. Nothing he did elevated the match.

It was probably AJ's best match since coming to WWE that I can think of, but Roman had almost nothing to do with that. It could have been Braun fucking Strowman instead of Reigns and not much would have changed.

I do believe Reigns has his place in the wrestling world, I'm not calling him 100% shit or anything.
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lol. Man most of this shit doesn't even merit a response.
 
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klonere

Banned
I love it when promotions listen to my fantasy booking

klonere said:
I like that Ishii is firing back at them whenever he can, post match attacks, running in on the pressers. That's more of what I want to see from the rest of CHAOS - make me believe that you are legit pissed at these cheating bastards who are openly mocking the belt, the company and your stables biggest star. I love cocky unflappable Okada but I don't want him to be Marufuji levels of constant -____-
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ratcliffja

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If you think software developers dress poorly, try being a video game programmer. Still, it beats getting sore feet in dress shoes.
 
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Sephzilla

Member
Vince McMahon said:
Yeah. Begs the question - what is the actual problem with Roman Reigns?
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He doesn't have much of a grasp on in ring storytelling at all and he generally does nothing to elevate matches at all. wild wild rice's post sort of hit on that a bit. Roman's role in that match was to do his normal spots and beyond that simply not fuck up. The problem with Roman Reigns is simply that he still seems green and seems like he needs to still learn some things that someone in his spot on the card should already have down. The same is true with his character, which is why he feels so flat right now.

These are things Roman can definitely resolve simply through experience, but I think they are issues that shine brighter due to the fact that Roman was pushed through the moon a bit prematurely
 
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Kaladin

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Vince McMahon said:
Yeah. Begs the question - what is the actual problem with Roman Reigns?
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It's the character. Even now it's bland and one dimensional. His delivery of "I'm not a good guy, I'm not a bad guy, I'm the guy." is the most meh delivery of any catchphrase I've ever heard from a top tier star.

He has quite possibly the worst acting ability on the roster.

He can put on five star matches from here to the moon and back. But if people don't care about the character, people won't care about his matches beyond whoever his opponent is.
 
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SparkleMotion

Member
Kaladin said:
It's the character. Even now it's bland and one dimensional. His delivery of "I'm not a good guy, I'm not a bad guy, I'm the guy." is the most meh delivery of any catchphrase I've ever heard from a top tier star.

He has quite possibly the worst acting ability on the roster.

He can put on five star matches from here to the moon and back. But if people don't care about the character, people won't care about his matches beyond whoever his opponent is.
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Did you not think he was good at the end of the latest Raw?
 
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Sephzilla

Member
jmdajr said:
I think it will happen. Someone has to beat Brock and Vince wants it.

They will have to change that Smark Tears Cup to a fucking Oil tanker.
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Eh, not really. Someone beating Brock now won't have even remotely the same impact it had a year ago.

Zach said:
I don't follow WWE closely, but Roman Reigns doesn't do much for me personally because 1) his wrasslin' isn't very impressive and 2) his look is terrible. But I'm more of a traditional wrestling garb kind of guy. Everything from the neck down is atrocious, in my opinion.
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His look is definitely part of what makes his character stupid. He gets to wrestle in a fucking flack jacket, which is stupid. Also, his opponents seem to ignore that he wears body armor when they still try chest chops and simple body slams on him. So his stupid fucking attire makes everyone else look dumb too. I liked it when AJ started attacking his unarmored spots.
 
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Zach

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I don't follow WWE closely, but Roman Reigns doesn't do much for me personally because 1) his wrasslin' isn't very impressive and 2) his look is terrible. But I'm more of a traditional wrestling garb kind of guy. Everything from the neck down is atrocious, in my opinion.
 
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Deleted member 47027

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Ryback's Blog contents:

Today I sit and fly home and for the first time in years feel absolutely free. I will start by saying I did request to be taken off of WWE television until myself and Vince could get a yes or no on a new deal. This has been going on since my IC Title run and had been nothing but a major strain on my life as all I ever wanted to do was work for WWE. I was told to head home until we agree or not agree to specific terms and contrary to reports it isn’t over money or a bus that stuff was settled a while ago. It comes down to a major problem I have with not only WWE but wrestling in general.
Wrestling is pre determined, we as performers know before we go out to that ring or perform a backstage scene who is winning and losing etc or have a general idea of what we are going to say. It blows my mind how in a sport which is pre determined from a company standpoint winners are paid so much more than the losers. Every single person who works for WWE from top to bottom is absolutely just as valuable as the next. The winners cannot win unless the losers go out there and agree to lose to them.
It blows my mind that in this day and age though we still adhere to this formula. Obviously things have always been this way, but does that make them right? Times have changed and our goal as humans should be to evolve and learn from our past and the past of others so we could make this world a better place. Why is it a guy who is told he is going to go out and lose and does everything he is told be paid not only less, but much less than said winner over a period of time. Every single performer for WWE sacrifices the same amount of time from home and their families and every single man or women goes out and does what they are told. Looking at this formula though losers turn into what fans like to call jobbers and their value decreases in the companies eyes and before you know it they get released. For what? For doing exactly as they are told!
Why not pay the talent equally? The winners have more MERCH as it is or are supposed to anyways so they get that extra perk, but why make the guy who is told to and agrees to lose earn less and sacrifice spots in big pay per view match ups etc. This is one of the major problems with wrestling and WWE today. Most guys take great satisfaction in helping making other talent, the bitching and the moaning we always hear about stems from the fact they know they are ultimately over time going to make less and live in fear of being released.
I am proud to say I have never gone to change a finish and have gladly took pride in helping put over other talent. Hell look at my pay per view record of 12-26 and you will see that has been the pattern of my career. I have always been confident in my ability and work ethic to being my best every day and ultimately always felt that by doing good it was the right thing to do. Personally seeing my money go down over the years though even though I was working as much as ever and being denied magazine covers and other projects as well as watching my role diminish no matter what I did or how hard I tried takes its toll on a human. Being told no matter how hard I work or how good I get doesn’t always pay off is something I fucking refuse to ever believe in my life. I am a creative being and to be restricted time and time again is no way to live life. There is nothing I cannot do and I know no matter what comes of this situation I am going to be just fine. It isn’t soley about money, it is about commitment. Commitment to a guy who fucking cares and who loves this more than anything in the world and wants to know that his passion his efforts and his determination to constantly improve is going to be recognized and taken care of.
WWE may very well release me, which if it is the case so be it. If we can work things out a lot needs to change as I am not living in fear and creatively cannot continue to live a life that limits me creatively. I have many other interests and passions and have been very smart with my finances over the years. I thank every WWE superstar from top to bottom for their sacrifices and for working with me. The world is an amazing place and there is more than just a WWE universe there is The Universe and I will prove one way or another over time I am the greatest big guy in the universe!
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Boils down to an issue with merchandising opportunities for those that job.
 
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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Sorry Ryback, I don't buy the argument that the jobbers should make as much as the people who draw.
 
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Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
Zach said:
How did you find this information, NVM? Do you subscribe to Ryback's newsletter? Or perhaps you found it on the dreaded REDDIT?! :O
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I follow Ryback on Twitter. I don't bother with Reddit, this place gets dangerously close to that level of ....Reddit.
 
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Penguin

Member
Angry Grimace said:
Sorry Ryback, I don't buy the argument that the jobbers should make as much as the people who draw.
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He does make a good point though because it's a downward spiral.

They make less, and can't make it up with other things because the company sees no value in them... so they go further down the peaking order, which means lose more... which means less money, etc
 
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RBH

Member
I thought Big Cass did an awesome job last night on Raw flying solo.

Great promo before the match, and did a great job in the ring too.
 
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avengers23

Banned
Still too many matches left on the backlog to watch to form a definitive list of contenders, but here are some for now:

  • WWE Payback: WWE World Heavyweight Championship No DQ No Countouts match: Roman Reigns (c) vs. A.J. Styles
  • WWE Payback: Kevin Owens vs. Sami Zayn
  • NJPW Invasion Attack 2016: IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship match: KUSHIDA (c) vs. Will Ospreay
  • Sendai Girls: Sendai Girls Championship match: Meiko Satomura (c) vs. Aja Kong
  • Evolve 59: Ricochet vs. Will Ospreay
  • WWE NXT TakeOver: Dallas: Sami Zayn vs. Shinsuke Nakamura
  • CMLL Super Viernes: CMLL World Lightweight Championship match: Dragon Lee (c) vs. Kamaitachi
  • Dragon Gate Truth Gate 2016: Losing unit must disband: Dia.Hearts vs. Monster Express vs. Verserk
  • Progress Chapter 25: Chat Shit Get Banged: Progress Championship No DQ match: Will Ospreay (c) vs. Marty Scurll
  • Revolution Pro High Stakes 2016: RevPro British Heavyweight Championship match: A.J. Styles (c) vs. Zack Sabre Jr.
  • Revolution Pro High Stakes 2016: #1 Contender's match: Marty Scurll vs. Will Ospreay
  • BJW: Yuji Okabayashi vs. Ryota Hama
  • NJPW Fantastica Mania 2016: CMLL World Lightweight Championship match: Dragon Lee (c) vs. Kamaitachi
  • NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 10: IWGP Intercontinental Championship match: Shinsuke Nakamura (c) vs. A.J. Styles
  • NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 10: IWGP Heavyweight Championship match: Kazuchika Okada (c) vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi

Next up: Kengo Mashimo vs. Kento Miyahara from AJPW's Champions Carnival Day 1 and Daisuke Sekimoto vs. Zeus, Daichi Hashimoto vs. Daisuke Sekimoto and Hideyoshi Kamitani vs. Shuji Ishikawa from BJW's Ikkitousen Strong Climb 2016.
 
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