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May Wrasslin |OT| Vince McMahon doesn't give 5 million f**ks what you think.
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Kccitystar
Member
I think it all starts with reconditioning the audience. For years they've focused the product and all major storyline developments around Cena and whoever the heel of the month/moment is, so it's going to take quite some time for fans to really give a shit about anyone except Orton/Cena or whoever WWE wants you to cheer for.
British Monsoon
Member
It's because Cena is the title guys, and now Big Johnny is the WWE World Heavyweight Cena Champion;
Glad I didn't stay up for that, main event sounds horrible. Will watch Punk/Bryan though, and fast forward the rest.
Beadle heading to NBC Sports to be special reporter for Olympics, but this is the lead in to be Billy Bush's co-host on Access Hollywood.
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
I want to know who's the agent that produces every Punk/DBRY match. They always end in a double finish except for the one time Jericho caused a DQ. One time is fine...two times..ok..you're pushing it but both were champs then so I see why you could do it...but ffs This was their 4th match in the last year with no clear winner >_>
Punk is the new Triple H. Never letting the young guys get over on him.
Punk is the new Triple H. Never letting the young guys get over on him.
If only I could lead her into my life.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
My God...everything makes sense now.
edit: also, I totally forgot their was a PPV today. Anything good?
Cena and Johnny just buried the entire roster by having Johnny last longer in the CENATF than anyone in the last 10 years, and you're worried about a double finish?
I still can't believe someone ok'd that spot. No one raised a hand and went "This is really fucking stupid, why should the GM be able to handle a submission hold that even Triple H and HBK have tapped out to?"
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
well when he uses it on guys like Triple H, you can see Cena straining and wrenching. Tonight it was like he applied it and didn't put any effort in pulling back which is fine with me. Cena was in troll mode so I can see why he didn't try for a tap out.
Yeah he took it easy on old Johnny Linus.
I think Cena was ontop of his game tonight.
Truly the most entertaining guy in the business right now.
Who are you trying to troll?
bean breath
Member
The Frankman
Banned
Professor Beef
Banned
Like a sack of potatoes. :lol
ViewtifulJC
Banned
It's late, but I laughed at this gif more then I should. Good moves, G-Fex
I'm watching Over the Limit right now, or was (I need some sleep it's very late). HOLY CRAP, it's awesome! From the pre-show on, everything has been spot on!
Let's start with Kane/Ryder. Zach Ryder gives this great all-or-nothing performance and he's looking good. Kane (naturally) seals the deal with the chokeslam but Ryder gets enough offense in where he doesn't look like a complete chump.
Then cut to Eve/Santino/Cody promo. Goddamn, Eve, you so fly. And the battle royale set-up is brilliant. A good way for everyone to see all of the wrestlers and get a solid mid-card match as bonus. I think announcing fewer matches for PPVs might be a good thing if it means cool surprises like this.
Cut to the Royale and holy shit, it's William motherfucking Regal! And then Christian! And some of my other favorites (the Usos, Darren Young and Titus Oneil). Match is a ton of fun too. I like this quick pace and I love how almost everyone showed off their gimmicks a bit. And Tyson Kidd, holy shit! He put on a goddamn clinic! The Miz was fun as well (he has great in ring charisma) when he tossed over Alex Riley. And I dug the tense ending even though a Christian win was a bit obvious at that point. I'm happy he chose the US Belt as well, if for no other reasons than Cody's smirks.
Cut to a great tag team championship match. I was a little disappointing going in that this wasn't a Darren Young and Titus Oneil match but it's cool, Ziggler and Swagger are awesome. This match was so well choreographed. Everyone just looked so badass. I haven't had this much fun with a tag team (other than Young and Oneil) in a long time. And I loved how long it was, I guess the WWE heard you guys wanting longer matches and gladly obliged. None of yall complained right? Excellent so far. Only quibble was King being downright obnoxious about Vicky. They need to tell him to shut up, not only is it not PG, but it's funny to no one.
Then the Diva's championship. I love Phoenix's entrance. She pulls that warrior stuff as well as Chyna ever did. The flip off the ropes, her confident swagger, she comes off as extremely confident in the right ways. I wouldn't mind some intergender matches with her (maybe with Ryder?). Then Layla, comes out looking damn good. She gives a kiss to a little girl on her entrance and you just see that girl light up. So sweet. And they put up a damn fine match. I like that it's acknowledged that Beth Phoenix is better but Layla's just on a lucky streak. Layla's neckbreaker being such a viscous looking move makes up for it always coming out of nowhere as well.
Just watched the short little promo before the 4-way and I dug how Jericho came off there as a contender. Very nicely done.
Other things of note: Booker and Cole are great together. So many great little commentary moments and their chemistry is definitely getting stronger. The kid with the YES shirt booing Ziggler was gold (that kid sadly has a smark dad). The John Laurinitis People Promo was amazing. That chart killed me. I'm going to finish this tomorrow morning and see what you guys managed to hate about this then.
Let's start with Kane/Ryder. Zach Ryder gives this great all-or-nothing performance and he's looking good. Kane (naturally) seals the deal with the chokeslam but Ryder gets enough offense in where he doesn't look like a complete chump.
Then cut to Eve/Santino/Cody promo. Goddamn, Eve, you so fly. And the battle royale set-up is brilliant. A good way for everyone to see all of the wrestlers and get a solid mid-card match as bonus. I think announcing fewer matches for PPVs might be a good thing if it means cool surprises like this.
Cut to the Royale and holy shit, it's William motherfucking Regal! And then Christian! And some of my other favorites (the Usos, Darren Young and Titus Oneil). Match is a ton of fun too. I like this quick pace and I love how almost everyone showed off their gimmicks a bit. And Tyson Kidd, holy shit! He put on a goddamn clinic! The Miz was fun as well (he has great in ring charisma) when he tossed over Alex Riley. And I dug the tense ending even though a Christian win was a bit obvious at that point. I'm happy he chose the US Belt as well, if for no other reasons than Cody's smirks.
Cut to a great tag team championship match. I was a little disappointing going in that this wasn't a Darren Young and Titus Oneil match but it's cool, Ziggler and Swagger are awesome. This match was so well choreographed. Everyone just looked so badass. I haven't had this much fun with a tag team (other than Young and Oneil) in a long time. And I loved how long it was, I guess the WWE heard you guys wanting longer matches and gladly obliged. None of yall complained right? Excellent so far. Only quibble was King being downright obnoxious about Vicky. They need to tell him to shut up, not only is it not PG, but it's funny to no one.
Then the Diva's championship. I love Phoenix's entrance. She pulls that warrior stuff as well as Chyna ever did. The flip off the ropes, her confident swagger, she comes off as extremely confident in the right ways. I wouldn't mind some intergender matches with her (maybe with Ryder?). Then Layla, comes out looking damn good. She gives a kiss to a little girl on her entrance and you just see that girl light up. So sweet. And they put up a damn fine match. I like that it's acknowledged that Beth Phoenix is better but Layla's just on a lucky streak. Layla's neckbreaker being such a viscous looking move makes up for it always coming out of nowhere as well.
Just watched the short little promo before the 4-way and I dug how Jericho came off there as a contender. Very nicely done.
Other things of note: Booker and Cole are great together. So many great little commentary moments and their chemistry is definitely getting stronger. The kid with the YES shirt booing Ziggler was gold (that kid sadly has a smark dad). The John Laurinitis People Promo was amazing. That chart killed me. I'm going to finish this tomorrow morning and see what you guys managed to hate about this then.
Mr. Luchador
Member
The #PeoplePower propaganda video was class, until the John Cena counter video rolled afterwards.
Charmicarmicat
Banned
I would love to see a Pepsi Plunge tease, just for kicks. I know they couldn't do it, but just Punk hooking the arms on the top rope before being countered would be awesome.
Ravensmash
Member
I kind of enjoyed the final match.
It was goofy, and stupid but it was also pretty funny.
It was goofy, and stupid but it was also pretty funny.
Conrad Link
Member
Omg Punk vs Byran was match of the forever! Knew it was gonna be good, but often things wont live up to the hype, I thought they were even better than expected!
So amazing, the crowd was totally into it as well.
Not the finish I expected/wanted, was Punk supposed to tap during the pinfall to make it a 'suspect' finish?
Either way, they GOTTA keep this shit going. Look at what they can do. I'm confident theres more to it than that. Looking forward to more.
Also AJ has to do something eventually lol. I'm confident THERE WILL BE A PAY OFF EVENTUALLY!
Gimme more.
So amazing, the crowd was totally into it as well.
Not the finish I expected/wanted, was Punk supposed to tap during the pinfall to make it a 'suspect' finish?
Either way, they GOTTA keep this shit going. Look at what they can do. I'm confident theres more to it than that. Looking forward to more.
Also AJ has to do something eventually lol. I'm confident THERE WILL BE A PAY OFF EVENTUALLY!
Gimme more.
Mr. Luchador
Member
John Cena bullying his boss
British Monsoon
Member
The only thing wrong with that main event, really, was that it was the main event. There's really no freaking way it should have been ahead of Punk/Bryan, regardless of the fact that Cena is more important than the belts. I legit lol'd at this exchange though;
Cena: "OK, I'll be Cole and you be Book. Vintage John Cena! Vintage! What d'you say Booker?"
Johnny: "F....five time, five time..."
Cena: "OK, I'll be Cole and you be Book. Vintage John Cena! Vintage! What d'you say Booker?"
Johnny: "F....five time, five time..."
plagiarize
Banned
if he was, all DB had to do was lift his shoulder to break the count before three. i'm sure what happened was what was meant to happen.
The Punk-Bryan match was great, but I do agree about the finish. They did this type of finish not long ago on an episode of Smackdown, where both men were thought of being victors. They were looking as if they wanted to do the same again, which essentially they did outside Punk's tap being .5 seconds after the pin.
It's messy overall. I'm sure there is a rematch but they need to start getting guys pinfall/submission. Stop being afraid.
Besides the fact there wasn't wrestling and it was mostly a goofing off/talking on the mic event, it had no business being on the PPV period. It is something you would normally see on a Monday Night RAW. Why is got billing on a PPV like that is dumb as hell.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
That was a surprisingly good PPV, actually, considering how utterly shit RAW has been lately.
I dunno why the Cena match had to be last on, it seemed like complete filler and the ending was as everybody predicted.
I dunno why the Cena match had to be last on, it seemed like complete filler and the ending was as everybody predicted.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Yeah agreed. People would have completely different feelings about the show if Cena - Johnny was on before Punk - Bryan.
What was their excuse for putting Cena above the title in every other PPV this year, then?
Also I just realized they didn't do anything with the AJ angle.
Next match which side-steps them from giving a true winner between these two.
Here's my (futile) hope for Punk/Bryan
OTL: Punk wins in a fluke
No Way Out: Rematch, Bryan wins via heel tactics (AJ help?)
Summerslam: Final rematch, Bryan or Punk (I hope Bryan) wins clean.
Nice three month program, which also doesn't close the feud, just this part of it.
Punk/Bryan is the kind of feud you could have last for years, returning to it every once in a while, maybe once or twice every year.
OTL: Punk wins in a fluke
No Way Out: Rematch, Bryan wins via heel tactics (AJ help?)
Summerslam: Final rematch, Bryan or Punk (I hope Bryan) wins clean.
Nice three month program, which also doesn't close the feud, just this part of it.
Punk/Bryan is the kind of feud you could have last for years, returning to it every once in a while, maybe once or twice every year.
Nice three month program? WTF do you think this is? Ring of ****ing Honor?
CM Punk goes on to feud with Lord Albert Tensai while Daniel Bryan is jobbed alive by Funkasaurus or Ryback or Mason Ryan or a returning Batista.
John Cena...Undercard...Dark Match
Excuse me...
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Don't forget losing the WWE title to The Rock or Brock Lesner(or Cena) at some point. The WWE title can't stay in the midcard forever.
plagiarize
Banned
just remember, wins and losses mean nothing. ppv sales, crowd reactions and t shirt sales are what get people elevated. Bryan is higher than he's ever been before following two straight PPV losses.
Sheamus isn't talentless. lacking charisma maybe, but that's two good performances at the last two PPVs that i've witnessed. don't hold him accountable for the booking.
Calling Sheamus talentless simply because he has a lame gimmick and is overpushed is ridiculous.
I doubt they'll be main eventing, but it's obvious that it'll continue. They have to have them do something until SS.
Officerrob
Banned
what's going on here?
Sports entertainment. Lets see, Big Johnny is responsible for bringing in Lesnar to take Cena out and for attacking him with a chair, but when he finally gets his hands on him he does comedic mock commentary
Hope so. CM Punk vs. Lord Tensai is RAW worthy, not PPV. Daniel Bryan needs to feud with someone.
what's going on here?
Awesomeness
I love when Big Johnny starts saying 5 times.. 5 times..
You know what guys, I enjoyed this PPV.
Of course we already knew Cena would be the main event, so I'm neither surprised, nor dissapointed that it came to be.
The PPV was pretty awesome. First off, the return of Christian and subsequent IC Title win was great. He's a face again (I like how he just kinda changed his shirt back to the Peeps one and that's that, he's a face again), which is great. He's great in either role and seeing how I've been a Christian mark since forever I'm loving this. I hope we'll get at least three months worth of Cody vs. Christian out of this, because their match was pretty great.
The 4-way was good as well, though a bit standard they had plenty of good spots. Everyone looked good in the end and I'm kinda getting over my hate on Sheamus due to his WM win so good on him.
Also liked the Divas match, see WWE, just give them at least 5 minutes to work a decent match and tell a good story, it's all you need. Layla finally got at least some crowd response, which hopefully helps that point along to WWE HQ. 3 Hours of Raw coming up, start giving the Divas some extra time WWE!
No AJ interference, surprising, but at least she was on the show. Time to push this story ahead though. Turn her heel already, enough with the teasing already. Make her beat the crap out of Layla and win the Divas belt (clearly this needs to happen) and pair her back-up with Bryan, for the love of Christ WWE, GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!
Anyway, 5 star match was awesome. Enough said really, I wish every PPV could have a 25-30 minute wrestling match like this. They even got to work outside their 10-signature move limit. Good job Vince, you're slowly but surely getting it, aren't you? Other then that, I'll gladly join JR in his twitter comment:
Finally, the main event. It went on way too long, should've done 10 minutes less of this. But that said, I must admit I did laugh at some bits I'm afraid. I'm just really a 10-year old kid humor-wise I guess. I laughed hard at that commentary thing btw. 5 times... 5 times... Come on, Johnny Ace is a comedic genious, I bet that was all his idea! Just, don't do this again WWE. Have the Big Show vs. Cena feud now and leave it at that, okay? Also, stop putting Cena over great wrestling main events. Cena-fans will buy the PPV regardless of the position on the card and your title should mean more then this. One of these days Cena is gonna really break his arm or get depressed over his divorce and he's not gonna be able to Rise Above it for half a year and then what? Build. More. Stars.
That is all, 7/10. Not the best PPV of the year, but it was more entertaining then I'd expected it to be.
Of course we already knew Cena would be the main event, so I'm neither surprised, nor dissapointed that it came to be.
The PPV was pretty awesome. First off, the return of Christian and subsequent IC Title win was great. He's a face again (I like how he just kinda changed his shirt back to the Peeps one and that's that, he's a face again), which is great. He's great in either role and seeing how I've been a Christian mark since forever I'm loving this. I hope we'll get at least three months worth of Cody vs. Christian out of this, because their match was pretty great.
The 4-way was good as well, though a bit standard they had plenty of good spots. Everyone looked good in the end and I'm kinda getting over my hate on Sheamus due to his WM win so good on him.
Also liked the Divas match, see WWE, just give them at least 5 minutes to work a decent match and tell a good story, it's all you need. Layla finally got at least some crowd response, which hopefully helps that point along to WWE HQ. 3 Hours of Raw coming up, start giving the Divas some extra time WWE!
No AJ interference, surprising, but at least she was on the show. Time to push this story ahead though. Turn her heel already, enough with the teasing already. Make her beat the crap out of Layla and win the Divas belt (clearly this needs to happen) and pair her back-up with Bryan, for the love of Christ WWE, GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!
Anyway, 5 star match was awesome. Enough said really, I wish every PPV could have a 25-30 minute wrestling match like this. They even got to work outside their 10-signature move limit. Good job Vince, you're slowly but surely getting it, aren't you? Other then that, I'll gladly join JR in his twitter comment:
Vince, listen to this man. He knows his stuff, which is probably why you're not keeping him around as much. Give me a 60 minutes Iron Match between these two at No Way Out! DO IT! DO IT! FEED ME MORE! FINISH IT VINCE! Sorry, went into Ryberg mode there for a second.
Finally, the main event. It went on way too long, should've done 10 minutes less of this. But that said, I must admit I did laugh at some bits I'm afraid. I'm just really a 10-year old kid humor-wise I guess. I laughed hard at that commentary thing btw. 5 times... 5 times... Come on, Johnny Ace is a comedic genious, I bet that was all his idea! Just, don't do this again WWE. Have the Big Show vs. Cena feud now and leave it at that, okay? Also, stop putting Cena over great wrestling main events. Cena-fans will buy the PPV regardless of the position on the card and your title should mean more then this. One of these days Cena is gonna really break his arm or get depressed over his divorce and he's not gonna be able to Rise Above it for half a year and then what? Build. More. Stars.
That is all, 7/10. Not the best PPV of the year, but it was more entertaining then I'd expected it to be.
British Monsoon
Member
Yes, what an outlandish idea to expect the best match on the card to be the main event. Crazy! It's as if people feel the show should build steadily in quality towards the final match of the card. What nonsense!
Linkified said:
So just get rid of the damn championships already if they're so worthless. The 'WWE Universe' really is atypical to the wider world of wrestling, where the power to call the shots, to be the star of the show, to earn the most money, etc, is represented by championship gold.
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